Talk:Misogyny
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Misogyny and femmephobia
In feminist thought, misogyny also includes the rejection of feminine qualities. It holds in contempt institutions, work, hobbies, or habits associated with women. It rejects any aspects of men that are seen as feminine or unmanly.[undue weight? – discuss]
In recent years, academic feminist thought has clearly expressed the idea of the need to separate the concepts of misogyny and femmephobia.
According to The SAGE Encyclopedia of Trans studies:
Thus, while sexism and misogyny refer to oppression based on gender (i.e., woman) or sex (i.e., female), femmephobia refers to oppression based on gender expression (i.e., femininity).--Reprarina (talk) 09:46, 12 February 2025 (UTC) I want to emphasize that Hoskin is a leading scholar of femininity, editor-in-chief of a specialized journal and a highly cited author.--Reprarina (talk) 09:59, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- In any case, you shouldn't say "At the same time". Doug Weller talk 10:09, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- It seems reasonable to me to make some mention of femmephobia in the article lead, but it needs to be more brief. I've moved Hoskin's name down into the definitions section, and removed "at the same time" per Doug Weller's suggestion. I didn't remove the "undue weight" tag yet but I propose we could because it appears to me uncontroversial that femmephobia rejects feminine aspect of men.SpiralShell (talk) 23:05, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
Criticism section
Criticism sections are a bad idea in general. I removed the section titled "Criticism of the concept", since it was based solely on two primary sources.
The first source, Sexual Personae, by self-described "dissident feminist" Camille Paglia, hardly mentions misogyny, and scanning the text doesn't actually turn up much support for the claimed distinction between "fear" and "hate". Additionally, the link between Marxism and second-wave feminism is dubious at best.
The second source is a primary research study by Christian Groes-Green, specifically of young men in the capital of Mozambique, which seeks to move beyond dichotomies between modern and traditional forms [of masculinity]
and disentangle existing entanglements of hegemonic, marginalized, misogynous, and philogynous masculinities
. This is not a critique of the concept of misogyny at all; it's more relevant to the article on hegemonic masculinity if anything. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 05:40, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
- www.irishtimes.com/opinion/anne-harris-the-word-misogyny-is-losing-all-meaning-1.4867531
- And why did you delete the Paglias point? 5.145.104.252 (talk) 08:04, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
- Why should we cite journalist Anne Harris's opinion alongside mainstream scholarship as though the two are equally valid? —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 18:06, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
- Because mainstream scholarship is wrong and out of touch. Plus they are all uber feminists. ~2025-32516-66 (talk) 21:10, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- Good thing we don't judge reliability of sources by the opinions of random anonymous users. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 10:23, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- Because mainstream scholarship is wrong and out of touch. Plus they are all uber feminists. ~2025-32516-66 (talk) 21:10, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- Why should we cite journalist Anne Harris's opinion alongside mainstream scholarship as though the two are equally valid? —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 18:06, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
Add Rotarian misogyny in 'see also'
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Content for the incoming 'Rotarian misogyny' subsection shall be 'From 1905 until the 1980s, all females were prohibited from Rotarian membership by reason of their biological gender at birth and/or feminine-presenting appearance. Rotarian spouses, including Paul Harris's wife Jean, might only attain to members of the inferior status "Inner Wheel" club. Women played subservient roles, and Jean Thomson Harris made numerous speeches from her status as an outsider to the membership. Dale Carnegie's biographer Carlos Roberto Bacila describes that in 1955 when women were not permitted to attend Rotary meetings, the Brooklyn Rotary Club made an exception and finally allowed Marilyn Burke, Carnegie's secretary, to dependently just 'accompany' him in a lecture inside the Rotary.[citation needed] In 1963, it was noted that the Rotary practice of involving wives dependently in club activities, with strict refusal of their status being that of membership, had as much as 'helped to break down female seclusion in some countries'.[1]: 58–62 Clubs such as Rotary were predated by women's service organisations, which started in the United States as early as 1790.[2]: 50 The first Irish clubs discussed tolerating women as members in 1912, but the proposal foundered over the membership's overriding attachment to perceived privilege born out of facilitating social prejudice. Gender equity in Rotary remained merely a theoretical question when as late as 1976, fully 13 years after proclamation of the Equal Pay Act of 1963 in the USA, the Rotary Club of Duarte, California, purported to admit three women as members. After the club refused to remove the women from their reviled membership, Rotary International self-justifiedly revoked the entire club's charter in 1978. The feminist Duarte club then filed suit in the California courts, claiming that Rotary Clubs are business establishments subject to regulation under California's Unruh Civil Rights Act, which bans discrimination based on race, gender, religion or ethnic origin. Rotary International then appealed the decision to the U.S. Supreme Court as a final maneuver to uphold the key plank of their culture of misogyny across the USA. The RI attorney argued that "... [the decision] threatens to force us to take in everyone, like a motel".[3] The Duarte Club was accompanied in opposing RI leadership; the Seattle-International District club unanimously voted to admit women in 1986.[citation needed] The United States Supreme Court on 4 May 1987, over the maintained objection and steadfast paternalistic mysogynist intransigence of Rotary International confirmed the Californian decision supporting women, in the case Board of Directors, Rotary International v. Rotary Club of Duarte.[4] Rotary International then removed the misognyny from its mandatory aspects for club charters without absolutely forbidding its continuation, therefore encouraging some clubs in some countries to still opt to exclude women as members of Rotary Clubs, as is still known to occur.[3][5] The first female club president to be elected was Sylvia Whitlock of the Rotary Club of Duarte, California in 1987.[6] Women currently account for only 22% of international Rotary membership.[7] It was not until 2013 that Anne L. Matthews, a Rotarian from South Carolina, began her term as the first female vice-president of Rotary International,[8] and was followed by another female vice-president, Celia Cruz de Giay.[9] Also in 2013, Nan McCreadie was appointed as the first female president of Rotary International in Great Britain and Ireland (RIBI).[10] No woman was permitted to join Rotary in Ghana until 1992 = Hilda Danquah (Rotary Club of Cape Coast). The first woman president in Ghana was Dr. Naana Agyeman-Mensah in 2001 (Rotary Club of Accra-Airport). Up until 2013, there have been just 46 women presidents in the 30 Rotary clubs in Ghana. Only as recently as 2013 (Stella Dongo from Zimbabwe) was a female appointed District Governor for District 9210 (Zimbabwe/Zambia/Malawi/Northern-Mozambique) for the Rotary year 2013–14. She had previously held the offices of Assistant Governor (2006–08), District Administrator (2008–09) and President of The Rotary Club of Highlands (2005–06). She was also Zimbabwe's Country Coordinator (2009–10). Stella, who is a Master PRLS 5 Graduate has been recognised and awarded various District awards including Most Able President for year 2005–06 and Assistant Governor of the year 2006–07 and a Paul Harris Fellow.[citation needed]' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Homotextual Sects (talk • contribs) 09:21, 7 September 2025 (UTC) References
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"Discrimination against women" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect Discrimination against women has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 October 23 § Discrimination against women until a consensus is reached. —Myceteae🍄🟫(talk) 16:32, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
Add and link Manosphere page under Online misogyny section
With the recent growth of the Manosphere and the research into the impacts it has on Misogyny [1], I believe adding information about the Manosphere and linking to the Wikipedia Manosphere page under the Online Misogyny section would be notable and beneficial for this page. Orangemonkey271 (talk) 14:58, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
Misogyny has been widely practised for thousands of years.
Source? ~2025-40486-23 (talk) 11:38, 15 December 2025 (UTC)
- Go down the article body, the Origins section, and you'll see the sources. Binksternet (talk) 13:11, 15 December 2025 (UTC)
- You mean the fact that certain writers spoke unflatteringly about women? The same could be said about misandry then, right? ~2025-40926-24 (talk) 15:02, 15 December 2025 (UTC)