Talk:Marian Days

Good articleMarian Days has been listed as one of the Philosophy and religion good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
October 16, 2025Good article nomineeListed
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on December 6, 2025.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that tens of thousands of Vietnamese Catholics travel to Missouri annually to attend Marian Days at Our Lady of the Ozarks College?

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Great photo Souphanousinphone. I've always meant to take a photo of the communion line, with that long line of light-up sticks, but never got around to it. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 07:10, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Literal meaning

What is the literal meaning of "Đại Hội Thánh Mẫu"? Does "Mẫu" mean "Mary"? Badagnani (talk) 05:12, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Literally, thánh mẫu means "holy example". In Vietnamese Catholicism, the title refers to the Blessed Virgin Mary. But it's also used in various other Vietnamese faiths to refer to important female deities. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 01:02, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Marian Days

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Marian Days's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "R&E Valente":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 20:30, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rework

I know I cut a lot of content - but a lot of it was WP:PRIMARY and I'm hoping to get this article to a point that it can be nominated to be a Good Article. Gonna have to find a bit more sources to make it work, though. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 01:56, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Darth Stabro: Thank you for getting this article into shape. I hope you don't mind that I've taken another pass at making it read more coherently. It's still missing a lot on the religious and cultural programming, which would help with balance. The article currently devotes a lot of space to crime, but it's somewhat out of proportion given the attendance. Minh Nguyễn 💬 23:03, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GA review

Passed. MCE89 (talk) 09:51, 16 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Marian Days/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Darth Stabro (talk · contribs) 19:37, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: MCE89 (talk · contribs) 12:20, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Hi there, I'll be reviewing this article. I'll aim to post some comments within the next day or so. MCE89 (talk) 12:20, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

All comments now added below! Let me know if you have any questions or disagree with any of my suggestions. Otherwise just ping me when you are done addressing these comments. MCE89 (talk) 13:17, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@MCE89: I think I've addressed everything! ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 15:51, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good! Passing this now. MCE89 (talk) 09:50, 16 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Initial checks

  • Images: Infobox image is CC-BY-SA-3.0, relevant to the article, and has an appropriate caption
  • Stability: No issues
  • Copyright: No copyright issues apparent on Earwig. Will do further checks for close paraphrasing as part of my source spot checks

Prose and general comments

  • I think the lead could be expanded slightly to more fully summarise the article's contents (e.g. mentioning the history, describing some of the events that take place at the festival, and briefly summarising the "Incidents" section)
  • While I'm sure it's true, I don't see anything in the body of the article that supports the superlative the main festival and pilgrimage for Vietnamese American Roman Catholics in the lead. Can a source for this be added in the body? (this one would probably do)
  • arrived as boat people in the United States at Fort Chaffee, Camp Pendleton, and other Operation New Arrivals refugee camps — It would probably be more precise to say that they arrived as boat people in the United States and were processed at Fort Chaffee, Camp Pendleton, and other Operation New Arrivals refugee camps
  • ...the gathering was especially dedicated in celebration of Vietnam's consecration to Mary in 1960 — The wording here feels quite awkward, suggest simplifying the phrasing if possible
  • 35,000 Vietnamese people were estimated to attend the festival — Suggest changing this to estimated to have attended
  • put up signs stating "No Trespassing" and similar — I think rephrasing this to something like put up signs warning visitors to stay away might be a little clearer
  • By 1990, a Vietnamese gang members — Should be either "Vietnamese gang members" or "members of a Vietnamese gang"

Source review

  • Per WP:THESIS, Master's theses are generally not considered reliable sources unless they have had "significant scholarly influence". I'd suggest removing the Patton thesis, as you aren't citing it on its own for anything anyway
  • Other sources all seem good. Most are local news, which is fine in this context in my view. Reference formatting and layout meets all GA criteria
  • I had a look for other sources to assess the broadness of coverage, and found this book chapter published a few months ago. It's not available through TWL and my university library access doesn't include it, but it looks like it could be a useful source if you're able to access it. Not essential to meet GA criteria for breadth though.
  • My spotchecks didn't turn up any issues with close paraphrasing, OR, or NPOV issues

Spot checks:

  • Ref 3: good
  • Ref 9: good
  • Ref 10: good
  • Ref 12: good
  • Ref 22: good
  • Ref 25: good
  • Ref 26: good
  • Ref 29: The source says the four men were charged with first-degree assault, not first-degree murder, and that one of them might still be charged with murder.
  • Ref 32: good
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. You can locate your hook here. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:04, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Improved to Good Article status by Darth Stabro (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 53 past nominations.

~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 12:06, 16 October 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • Both articles are long enough and pass GA standards as indicated in the nom (Marina Days was promoted on 16 Oct and Our Lady of the Ozarks College moved on the same day. Two QPQs done, per requirements when this was nominated. Both are generally in good shape and presentable for the main page. No evidence of copyvio or other issues, having run Earwig on both, and all images are appropriately licensed.
The hook is cited but I can't access the first link: could you provide the supporting text? I'm not sure the second quite has enough to support this as an annual figure (rather than the expectation for 2025), and it doesn't specify the location or that they're all Vietnamese Catholics. I think it just about passes the bar for WP:DYKINT, but you may wish to come up with some ALTs -- readers without a clear expectation of how many Vietnamese Catholics they would find in Missouri may not be particularly shocked. We could also do with explicitly saying that the Marian Days take place at Our Lady of the Ozarks College -- this isn't directly said in either article.
Note a of Our Lady of the Ozarks College needs a citation. UndercoverClassicist T·C 17:43, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've tweaked some of the wording in the articles. How about:
  • The footnote is more of an editorial explanation than an encyclopedic fact repeating a secondary source. If having the citation is important, then the footnote can just be deleted; I'm not sure if there exists a source that explains the situation resulting in said editorial decision. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 14:46, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • It contains an encyclopaedic fact: The congregation does not have a formal name for the entire campus, other than the simple "Congregation of the Mother of the Redeemer", and the title of "Immaculate Heart of Mary" only refers to one shrine chapel.. Whether that's an essential fact to include, I leave to you, but if we're going to include it, we must cite it. UndercoverClassicist T·C 15:10, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Looking up, I see we never sorted the citation query. Could you provide the text from the first link that supports the hook, and (if needed after that) a quote from a second source that supports the idea that thousands attend every year? More subjective, but we're now in the odd situation where Our Lady of the Ozarks College explicitly says that Marian Days happen there, but Marian Days doesn't. UndercoverClassicist T·C 07:32, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]


"First Thursday in August"

The article confidently states this, while the infobox shows a start date of July 31 2025. Maybe there's been a recent revision of the planning? TooManyFingers (talk) 17:27, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@TooManyFingers: I reworded the infobox slightly to account for this year's edge case. Minh Nguyễn 💬 19:53, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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