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Thank you, Diannaa. What in particular was removed for lack of appropriate citation? OldMiakka47 (talk) 12:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Content was not removed for lack of citation. It was removed because you appear to have copied some prose from https://stars.library.ucf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1264&context=fhq. Please don't add copyright material to Wikipedia. To do so is a violation of our copyright policy. — Diannaa (talk) 14:13, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again, Diannaa for your response. I've re-read the rules you posted above so I want to be sure I am clear; I paraphrased too closely even with the citation? I just want to better understand because the portion that was removed is important historical context to the page. Please let me know how I can better cite the information to give the appropriate credit. Thank you in advance for your assistance. OldMiakka47 (talk) 10:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The content I removed was hardly paraphrased at all; it was almost identical to the source. That's not allowed; in fact copying from your sources like that is a violation of our copyright policy. — Diannaa (talk) 00:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize Diannaa, I wasn't trying to imply that what I was doing was okay; to contrary I was trying to better understand how to quote and paraphrase correctly to Wikipedia standards. Again, my apologies for any confusion as to my intent. I see I've been assigned a Wiki mentor who I'll utilize for these types of questions going forward. Thank you for your dedication and work to this important website. OldMiakka47 (talk) 11:05, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please use the template {{Citation needed}} instead of the non-standard "^{[citation needed]}" when you wanted to mark unsourced content in an article. Among other things, it automatically creates a hidden category that may draw the attention of other editors who can help. Donald Albury 18:47, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Donald! OldMiakka47 (talk) 19:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, Diannaa. I am confused as to what copyrighted material(s) do you believe I used? Thank you in advance for your response. OldMiakka47 (talk) 21:40, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I removed some material that's a match for content found here. Diannaa (talk) 21:44, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for response. That is my family's Rootsweb page; what material did you remove? OldMiakka47 (talk) 21:52, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I removed quite a bit; a couple paragraphs.

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Hi Donald, I am not sure as to which reliable sources you're referring to since the map and journal listed in the article are the reference for the mislabeling. As far as the African-style Drum found in 1967, i listed the book, author and page number in addition to the current location in the Florida Natural History Museum. Please let me know what other verifiable information you need me to provide for both of these references. Thanks in advance for your further consideration. Respectfully, OldMiakka47 (talk) 00:20, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You added three statements in your edit. The first statement, In 1967, an "African-inspired mahogany drum" was found in the bank of the Little Manatee River. The drum was referenced with a black-and-white photo, in Jane Landers' 1999 book (page 232), Black Society in Florida. is not correctly referenced. Per Wikipedia:Citing sources#Parenthetical referencing, in text citations are not allowed. A footnote (<ref>...</ref> or other approved form of citation, such as {{Sfn}}, must be used. The citation must include the name of the book, and preferably include the publisher and the ISBN. The next statement, The Florida Museum of Natural History has the drum, which is part of its archaeological collection. While not a current exhibit, the museum has historical and archaeological items related to African heritage, and the Little Manatee River drum is a significant example. is unsourced, and particularly needs a good source for the claim of its significance. Finally, the third statement, However, the 1837 Williams map, while showing the approximate shape and likely names of the two rivers, he transposed the locations of the "Manatee" and "Oyster River" based on their actual course and descriptions in his accompanying journal. was also unsourced. Donald Albury 01:57, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the follow-up, Donald. I appreciate your thorough review. So the first statement is from a proper source but not correctly referenced; I'll resubmit. Secondly, I'll update the Museum reference and remove the extraneous language. Lastly, the last sentence is a reference to the original source material the 1837 map published ten years after his expedition to the region. Please look for yourself at the map (and if you have a copy Williams journal); he transposed the rivers based on their shape compared to the geographic maps on the same Wiki-page for both the Manatee and Little Manatee. In his journal, he says that there the "falls of Haffia" is on the "Manatee" river while he clearly confused that with the Alafia river (page 49). Thanks again for your continued assistance in making these articles the best they can be with current scholarship. Respectfully, OldMiakka47 (talk) 15:51, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a source that says he confused the rivers? If not, then that conclusion is original research, and not allowed in the article. Donald Albury 23:31, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Williams is the original source of the confusion through his own Journal and Map that contradict each other. There are multiple maps in the State Archives from this time period that identify these water bodies with different names from Haffia, Alafia, and Manatee (and others). In fact, none of the 32 maps in the Archives from 1821-1845 identify an "Oyster River" in the region at all which would disapprove that the river was "known" by that name at that time as the article suggests as fact based on one contradictory primary source. Due to this information maybe it would better to just remove the references to the names in the article until further scholarship clarifies the glaring discrepancies? OldMiakka47 (talk) 11:37, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If the only source for "Oyster River" is a single map, then it would be best to remove any statement about the Manatee River being called "Oyster River". Maps can be used as sources, but not every verifiable fact needs to be included, and statements in Wikivoice need to reflect scholarly consensus. Donald Albury 18:54, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Donald. I agree, I'll make the necessary edits. I appreciate your input on this issue. OldMiakka47 (talk) 11:32, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Given that "fact" about the change of name seems to have some popular currency, should this conclusion about the lack of scholarly consensus be noted in the talk page for one of the rivers? I know I certainly benefited from this research, and from this dialogue.

(For context, I heard it repeated by a scholar working in the area, and of course the Bradenton Herald makes the assertion as well.)

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Thank you, Cyclical2 for reaching out on this issue. If I am understanding you clearly you're suggesting that on at least one of the pages for the Manatee, Little Manatee or Alafia rivers that a reference to the confusion of the names of these water bodies over early Florida History? Perhaps in the larger article on Tampa Bay since they're all tributaries as well as the fact that one map appears to refer to the Hillsborough River as "Manatee" in 1776. As far as the scholar working in the area or the Bradenton Herald, if they're all referencing the contradictory primary sources that has long been the problem. In particular, Williams Journal, while generally useful has several errors. I look forward to continued dialogue with you on this matter. OldMiakka47 (talk) 13:14, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for your edit. I looked at the copyrighted material link you provided and didn't find a reference to using information from historical markers. Is language from a historical marker copyrighted and is there a link that better explains how to use that material on Wikipedia? Thank you in advance for your response. OldMiakka47 (talk) 12:26, 5 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, prose on historical markers is copyright. Everything you add to Wikipedia should be written in your own words please. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 15:17, 6 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the reply! OldMiakka47 (talk) 15:30, 6 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

As a follow-up why was the content about Lowe Field removed? OldMiakka47 (talk) 15:32, 6 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you again, Diannaa for your continued assistance. I want to be sure this is done properly! How about this for Lowe Field:

In January 1929, the first municipal airport in Sarasota was dedicated on 160 acres north of Fruitville Road on the west side of the current Beneva Road. During World War II, Johnny Lowe purchased the airfield which was then used by the Civil Air Patrol and subsequently called Lowe Field. After the war most civilian air operations moved to the Sarasota-Bradenton Airport until Lowe Field was sold in 1961.

Thanks in advance for your expert review! OldMiakka47 (talk) 20:13, 6 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

That's still too close to the source. How about this:

Lowe Field, the first municipal airport in Fruitville, was dedicated in 1929. It was located on a 400-acre site northwest of the intersection of Fruitville road and Beneva Road (then named Oriente Avenue). During World War II, the Civil Air Patrol used the airport as a base to patrol for U-boats and to escort shipping. After the war, most civilian air traffic moved to the Sarasota-Bradenton Airport. Lowe Field closed in 1961 and the land was sold. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 01:58, 7 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Diannaa! A few follow-ups: the site was 160-acres not 400? Also, the site wasn't called Lowe Field until after Johnny bought the property in 1943 how do we weave that important fact? Lastly, the site was not NW of that intersection it was actually along Beneva road on the west side of the road; the closet intersection would be today's 12th street and Beneva, would that be a better reference? Thanks again for your assistance! OldMiakka47 (talk) 12:28, 7 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Lastly, the site was the first municipal airport in all of Sarasota County not the unincorporated community of Fruitville, how do we best acknowledge that fact? Thanks in advance for your continued guidance! OldMiakka47 (talk) 12:49, 7 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Also, how best should I recognize the Palmer family for their role in the creation of Fruitville Farms? Thank you in advance for your expert assistance! OldMiakka47 (talk) 12:29, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I would leave that part out. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:12, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the follow-up, Diannaa. You would leave what part out? OldMiakka47 (talk) 14:18, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

recognizing the Palmer family for their role in the creation of Fruitville Farms — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 15:17, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure I understand why we would want to leave out that important fact? They were the driving force behind it and the road through it is still called Palmer Blvd to this day. Also, did you have a response to my corrections on Lowe Field? OldMiakka47 (talk) 15:23, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I did reply to your Lowe Field wording but for some reason the edit did not get saved. My suggestion was something like this:

"Lowe Field, the first municipal airport in Fruitville, was dedicated in 1929. It was located on a 160-acre site near the intersection of 12th Street (then called Fruitville Road) and Beneva Road (then named Oriente Avenue). During World War II, the Civil Air Patrol used the airport as a base to patrol for U-boats and to escort shipping. After the war, most civilian air traffic moved to the Sarasota-Bradenton Airport. Lowe Field closed in 1961 and the land was sold."

I am busy with copyright cleanup and not interested in discussing further which minor details should or should not be included. The article is about Fruitville, not about the airport, so excessive detail should be omitted in my opinion. That's an editorial decision you can make independently without my input, as long as you avoid violations of our copyright policy while doing so. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 23:55, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your time, Diannaa. I respect your efforts. OldMiakka47 (talk) 00:01, 9 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]