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That looks great! It's only been out since the end of June. Guess after Santa leaves it for you, this means we'll see an article about the book and bunches of refs from it elsewhere. :-) We hope (talk) 21:00, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

How about us making a run for it-GA with Jo, as there seems to be a lot more material available about her, in 2013? By that time, you will have memorized :) the book and I hope I'll have time to add refs from my folders that I've been meaning to do for some time. I seem to have more and more photos that need doing; at present, I'm doing a bunch from The Man From U.N.C.L.E.. There's always a "deadline" with them because if you don't get to them soon enough, they're no longer available. We hope (talk) 20:06, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

One of the things I hope the book covers is the radio show Club 15. Recently found this photo of her as a co-host with Bob Crosby (yep, Bing's brother). File:Bob Crosby Jo Stafford Club 15 1951.JPG. At present, I know it was a radio program with a similar format to the "Supper Club", but every time I've tried to learn more about her work with the show, I get only sketchy details. There was a lot more information and material generated by the "Supper Club", which made it much easier to write about. I have refs where Jo tells how her romance with Paul began, but very little on Club 15. It may be that CBS and the program's sponsor didn't promote it as much as NBC and Chesterfield did with "Supper Club". Can see, though, how she wound up on radio at CBS at that point, because she had moved from Capitol to Columbia Records, which they owned. We hope (talk) 20:42, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Corinthian is still around and being run by their son, Tim. I wonder if he might be able to share some information via e-mail that could be worked into an article here, in addition to any in the book. We hope (talk) 16:07, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Corinthian site It looks like he's enthusiastic as he has the information about the book on the website. e-mail contact information. The Hanover Music you see was Paul's name for his publishing company; Tim handles that also. ;) We hope (talk) 17:20, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

One of my "to do" list items is a magazine interview with photos of Paul, Jo and little Tim from circa 1953. Also just got to the following. There's information about the 1954 television program she did. Was at the US copyright office online for a search and found that this 1954 issue's copyright wasn't renewed, so the information and that nice color photo are able to be used by us as PD. :-) It looks like the magazine didn't renew its earlier issues. Found only one 1955 renewal for them and it was for a Norman Rockwell image of Arthur Godfrey, but they did start renewals in 1956. I can upload the page at Commons and ask for a bit of a hand with the photo to improve it, if you like it. We hope (talk) 17:55, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Good thing you grabbed the last copy! While I'm sure they'll restock before the Christmas season, it doesn't hurt to get your copy now as you can use it, as you said, re:questions for Tim, and now you can ask the family for other Jo Stafford items you've been wanting when it comes to the Christmas list. :) We hope (talk) 20:10, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Paul

I have just reviewed the article Murder of Celine Figard for DYK, and wanted to congratulate you on a fine piece of work. It is the best article I have seen amongst the DYK nominations: well-written, neutral in tone, thoroughly-referenced, and avoids either excessive detail or patchy coverage of the topic.

As I noted in the DYK review, the article appears to meet the good article criteria, so I wanted to suggest that you consider submitting it for assessment at Wikipedia:Good articles. I'm sure that any adjustments needed will be small.

GA review can involve a lot of minor tweaking, so if you decide to submit it, I suggest waiting until after the article has appeared on the front page. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:04, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the DYK review and positive comments about the article. I'm planning to put it forward for GA so it's good to know it's almost there. I notice the peer review's just closed without comment so that could be another good sign. :) I'll put it forward as soon as it's been on the front page and see how it goes. Thanks once again. Paul MacDermott (talk) 16:02, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Article now at GAN. Paul MacDermott (talk) 14:54, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Am surprised you could put the book down to post. :) I have some material marked re: the stuffy sponsor which can go for additional refs. Am hoping there might be more in the book re: Paul and the Grammys as he was one of the "founding fathers" of that. While we do touch on it in his bio, if there's additional information, we can expand the section. Think it's important because without Paul and those he was working with for the Hollywood Walk of Fame, there may not have been any Grammys as we know them today and as such, he was very influential in the music industry. One of those cases where someone who wasn't in the public eye a lot was instrumental in creating something that's now known world-wide. Also hope there's more on "mood music", since he began that too. Don't blame them for refusing to do a "tell all" book; if there's anything to tell, chances are that someone else has beaten you to it and told it about you. ;) We hope (talk) 20:01, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

There were a few things that were working against Jo in the 1950s. (Have refs for these tucked in a folder.) One was that at Columbia, she was under the direction of Mitch Miller. He was very good for some artists, such as Frankie Laine, but simply dreadful for others. Have some material from an interview with Paul that really blasts him; he's said to have forced artists to record a lot of material they really thought was awful by telling them that if they didn't, he would see to it that their careers were done. Jo had to record many novelty songs that were terrible and the public thought so too, because they went nowhere on the charts, despite Miller's belief they would be hits. Jo had problems with television because of her eyesight. She had trouble reading the cue cards (no teleprompters yet) on the set, even though they were in large print. After having her skirt ripped off while singing "Let Me Go, Lover" on her live 1950s television program, she was very wary of doing live television shows. (One of the funniest photos I've seen from one of the shows-can't attribute it so it would have been non free here-was a set photo of Jo and a male vocalist guest in a park-like setting. There was a prop statue of Cupid to complete the idea that they were in a park. Cupid is posed with his hands to his ears like their voices are horrible.) After Tim was born, Jo decided not to be away from him a lot, so there was no more doing tours and she generally accepted guest spots on television programs that were done in LA so she wouldn't be. So basically she "traded" her career for her family. We hope (talk) 15:45, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Mama Will Bark Take a look at what he had Sinatra record.;) We hope (talk) 16:50, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

This is a great 2 part interview with both of them. We hope (talk) 17:17, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

I just sourced some of it to Jo's article re: the "birth" of Darlene Edwards. Paul provided some great info re: Corinthian in it. It's a "treasure trove" of info from the people themselves, so have fun when you "dive in" :) We hope (talk) 17:34, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Would it help matters if I posted some article links on Jo's talk page? This way, they're available and don't clutter anyone's talk page. We hope (talk) 21:11, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

OK-will start a section there now. ;) We hope (talk) 21:20, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

I'll add to the talk page links as I run across them in my bookmarks. Re: her weight loss, she lost 40lb in a year. She hadn't seen Paul for a while and when they did meet after she was slimmer, he didn't recognize her, the change was so drastic. Ironically, after the La Martinique incident, she never performed at another club. We'll get the links all out and about! ;-) We hope (talk) 22:30, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Jo Talk page. I commented it out and removed the category as I've yet to see anything re: her being publicly affiliated with a political party. Thanks, We hope (talk) 18:28, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry about it--this is a now blocked sock. We hope (talk) 19:01, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

And here you see people who are not card-carrying supporters of a political party appearing at the White House on a regular basis. It would be crazy to think that all Super Bowl or World Series winners are avid supporters of the political party of the person at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, regardless of party in power, just because they accepted an invitation there. In times past, many of the Kennedy family were photographed there with Republican presidents because they were involved with a cause or a bill being supported or publicized. We hope (talk) 20:05, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

G.I. Jo "The Westons are liberal Catholics, and in an age when presidential rhetoric brought out of the woodwork all the bumper-sticker patriots, the gun people and assorted other crazies, they remained unintimidated liberal Democrats." :-) We hope (talk) 22:00, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Newbergh-Beacon News October 31, 1960. "The Democrats will supply Milton Berle, Louis Prima and Keely Smith, Stan Freberg, Jo Stafford and others for a Kennedy rally in East Los Angeles Tuesday...." We hope (talk) 23:09, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Tim might be able to shed some light on things like the Grammys and Club 15. Just tried searching for La Martinique and didn't find much other than many people like Danny Thomas and Danny Kaye and his wife, got their big breaks while performing there. It was one of the "hot spots" in 1940s NYC to either perform at or to see/hear the future stars. It looks like the original club was gone by 1952, as I just read a news item in a 1952 Jet magazine saying that Josephine Baker's new club was to be on the site of the old La Martinique. I don't believe any of the original celebrity restaurants and nightclubs in NYC are still around. The Stork Club closed in the 1960s, Toots Shor's is gone, along with El Morocco and the original Copacabana.

Much of what's in the Como article wasn't in the bio either, but found by reading many, many newspapers and magazines, which I why I really still miss being able to do more than a 100 hit search on Google News Archive. It seems silly and petty because even though they aren't going to digitize any more newspapers, there are still plenty already done which could be of benefit to those researching something or someone, and it costs Google nothing for the larger searches which were available before. The information there about him losing his week's salary in a dice game came from a 1954 newspaper interview, with Como himself telling the story. Same with the detailed information about when he and Roselle first met and about becoming a "wedding barber"-from a 1954 magazine interview; none of this was covered in the bio.

Before I lose it again, here's the newspaper link for Jo talking about how Paul didn't recognize her after her weight loss. Ever the gentleman, Paul didn't admit that she had changed so much he didn't know who she was until after they were married. :) It also details how she met her one and only manager, Mike Nordif. He was one of the G.I.s who listened to Jo during WWII and asked if he could become her manager after he was out of service. Jo also tells the earthquake story here too.

• Jo Stafford Still Making Them Listen to Her Songs January 19, 1961.

I have a lot more to dig out and post to the article talk page just like this. :-) We hope (talk) 01:05, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Photo Just found a copy of the funny photo I told you about earlier; she's singing with Gordon MacRae. :) We hope (talk) 18:52, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

I think what you assumed from reading re: Jo and Mike Nidorf is correct. Take a look at this 1949 news story. While Kilgallen doesn't print the question asked, it surely is hinting in that direction. We hope (talk) 00:22, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi Paul,

Unfortuantely, I've had to revert your edits to Adele's page stating that she will perform the Skyfall theme. Although you are correct in saying that Sky News is a much more reliable source than the likes of The Sun, and although the title of their report is "Adele 'Records James Bond Movie Theme Song'", the article you supplied as a reference makes it pretty clear that this has not been confirmed. I draw your attention to the following excepts from the article:

Speculation is growing that Adele has recorded the theme tune to the 23rd Bond movie Skyfall.

A leading bookmaker has paid out on bets that Adele will sing the new James Bond theme - before the news has been officially confirmed.

There have been a number of reports the record-breaking 24-year-old was to get the role, although there has still been no official announcement about any involvement.

Rumours have been rife that she will be the voice behind the film's opening song after she was spotted visiting London's Abbey Road studios.

I think it's great that you're being thorough like this. There are dozens of people who would happily accept the article that appeared in The Sun as a source for this. However, next time, I think you ned to read the sources you use as references rather than just reading the title and the publication. There are a lot of reliable sources out there that are simply using The Sun as their main source, so it's easy to get caught up. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 02:56, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

The stuff about the book-keeper might be worth inclunding, but only once it has been confirmed. If it is confirmed. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 09:54, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for the heads up. I'll take a look at it again later today. Paul MacDermott (talk) 09:30, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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I agree that Cregan should not be named at all at this juncture. There are only three people who know what happened that day and two of them are sadly no longer available to testify. For all that anybody knows, a 3rd party might have shot the officers and Cregan is taking the rap for it, i know its unlikly but it is a possibility, and until all the facts are laid bare in the court and the public domain, he should not be named. Now that he has been remanded until Nov, the Police cannot reveal any further information for fear of pre-trial prejudice and after the funerals, I think this story will not be heard of until the next court date. The Annecy shootings in France recently are a case in point, it was all over the news for the first few days but for the last 7 days, I have not heard a thing about it.Markdarrly (talk) 18:01, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

I have removed the wording that they were fatally injured by Cregan upon entering the house. I have also changed the wording further in the article that again stated that the officers had entered the house when the source given didnt say that. I have also removed the name of the grenade, whilst it was said a grenade was used, it was only speculation of the brand that was actually used. These inconsistancies are typical of over exaggerated entries.Markdarrly (talk) 18:41, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

I think Wikipedia can be much more robust on the matter of verification in these articles. The point, and it is a very important one, is that the facts may be disputed up to and even after the trial. The police and prosecuting authorities can only say what they believe to have happened. Witnesses will in most jurisdictions be limited in what they can say, may disagree, and may change their account under cross examination. The accused may withold their defence, and if guilty may well not tell the truth. Even alleged confessions may not be true, nor may things said by eg family members at press conferences following the events. The law may well limit what can be disclosed even at trial, for good reason. So as well as the very important points about treating a person as innocent until proven guilty (whether or not true under the law of the country where the offence took place) and the need to avoid prejudicing a trial, the mere fact that a normally reliable source has reported something should not mean that it can be relied upon in Wikipedia. There is a question whether existing verifiability policy is clear enough, but we know in the UK that even quality newspapers can err on occasion and in any case can never be in a position to know the full facts. Just because something is repeated does not make it true. --AJHingston (talk) 15:54, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

I believe that a time period of either 7, 14 or 21 days should have elapsed before an article regarding a criminal event is able to be written about on wikipedia. The application of such a time span will allow the public furore to have calmed down and at that juncture, a more precise picture of the events surrounding the crime should be available. After this period, it is my belief that only people who are really interested and able to will probably bother to write for the article - the people who have just seen the news whilst eating dinner would not be able to "mould" what they have just heard into thier own perception and include that view in the article -"just for the sake of it". I think that a "minimum" time period would go a long way to preventing unsourced material and opinions being inserted into articles until somebody removes it, most of these types of articles are like a merry-go round, ranging from "monkey see - monkey do" upto "I heard it on the news last night" going through several sets of ears until somebody decides to write about the version that "Bill from work" told him about yesterday. Once good quality, well sourced facts are in the public domain, it will be harder for people to write half truths into the article, as such insertations will be easier to disprove after facts have been around for a while and are available from several good sources.Markdarrly (talk) 22:16, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

I think cooling off period is quite a good idea as I've no doubt some people write about these things because they have strong feelings, and the subsequent article has to be skewed in some way. Generally, if something gets three weeks coverage it's on the way to becoming notable. Policing it could be difficult, though if there was a page where these cases could be mentioned it would help others to keep an eye on them. I'll add some of this to the essay, suggesting people might like to do consider waiting for a while until more solid facts are established. Also, I did open a discussion on "Murder of" articles at Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living people, so you might want to add any thoughts there, too. Cheers. Paul MacDermott (talk) 22:28, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate the value of this, but I anticipate that you will encounter opposition from many people who work on hot news as a way of sorting out conflicting, confusing, and incomplete reports in the press. This opposition will probably not arise in full force at WP:VPR but rather on articles which are challenged if you are successful at VPR. If you have a dozen editors glued to the radio and Google News following a breaking story, they are going to see this kind of moderation as very disruptive. I wonder if there is something you can prepare in advance for those people. They will not be happy no matter what, but there might be some way to keep them from pitchforks. —Cupco 23:09, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Give them each a pen and paper and let them write down the tit-bits from the news stories and after 21 days, let them collate everything into an article of note.Markdarrly (talk) 00:46, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

The McCann case is an excellent example of what is "said" rather than what is "known" entering the domain of the investigation and thus, the stories reported about it. If this case is compared with the case of Ben Needham, a British child who also went missing whilst on holiday abroad, the impact of the internet coverage between the two cases is enourmous. At the time Needham went missing, the only real reporting about it was in the newspapers and on the news, the internet didnt really play a part. In that case there has been no court cases for slander or libel, probably because as it happend in a different era, the "instant incorrect" coverage was virtually non-existant because people made sure that the facts being printed or told were correct. Fast forward to the McCann case and the speed at which this story circulated was nothing short of epidemic proportations. The news hungry journalists were asking locals if they had seen anything whilst holding a 100 euro note in their hand, this caused false leads to be followed (someone saw a stranger hanging around a few days before the kidnap and put 2 and 2 together and came up with 100 euros) The internet was on fire with rumour and innuendo, most false and this, started to form public opinion as to what happened. The McCann's and several of their group have all been awarded substantial damages for false stories about them that appeared in the tabloids. Robert Murat, a person that was included as a suspect because of the suspicion of a Sunday Mirror journalist, was later awarded £600,000 in damages by a group of newspapers that had syndicated the story. The difference being that nowadays, it is easy to write something that you have heard that is incorrect, thus spreading that "Incorrect fact" around until most people think that it is the truth. As has been mentioned, people will often quote sources "close to in the investigation", but most people these days take that to mean that a journo has overheard two coppers in a cafe and embelished the story, meanwhile, the writer is free in knowledge that "journalistic confidentiality" will protect him/her from disclosing the source of the published information, thus giving the impression that what is being written has been told as a matter of fact from people in the know rather than what is being printed is a bit of a conversation that our correspondant heard and has embelished for journalistic value. If the McCann story was written from scratch today, it would be completely different from the story that has been built up over time, and that is the point, time gives information the chance to be scrutinised and not just thrown in with a "what the hell for the consequencies" attitude being displayed.As of the 25th September 2012, the McCann article cites referances totalling 223, whilst the Needham article cites referances totalling 18. The fact that the Needham article was started in 2007, some 16 years after the event shows that the number sources that are able to be cited are so low because the incorrect sources have vanished into the ether over time. The McCann article was started 2 days after her disappearance whilst all the innuendo was still circulating, resulting in a total of 1425 edits in the articles first month on wikipedia. Compare that with the Needham article that has had just 161 edits in 5 years and the picture becomes very clear. The Needham article has not needed to have been edited to within an inch of its life because from the outset, what it contained was correct. The equation that I have formulated for such articles is thus - Date of Crime (doc) + 21 Days (tod) = More True Sources (mts). So it would seem that (doc)+(tod)=MTS would be a good rule of thumb when consideration is being given as to the start date of an article. Markdarrly (talk) 01:27, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, that's a good comparison between two similar events that were approached in different ways by both Wikipedia and the media. I'll add some of this as it's worth a mention, I think. Cheers. Paul MacDermott (talk) 22:06, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

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please share the talk page first before remove anything .... by the way Adele's adds is true and there's a ref..

so please share the talk page again

thanks .--sola$$$$$$$$ (talk) 17:17, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

First of all the number 50 million copies in the ref so please go translate or do something before you remove anything

and by the way you need to check (the Best selling artists of all time )

and again share the talk page first as much i do ,this is your last warning sir ......

thanks --sola$$$$$$$$ (talk) 11:52, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

sorry im trying to let you understand i translate everything to you and you still think thats wrong sorry i cant deal with you anymore im trying to be helpful as much as i can but you dont give me any chance to compromise or at least to have normal talk other user will talk to you about it later ....

thanks --sola$$$$$$$$ (talk) 12:09, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page, where I've made suggestions about what you need to do and given my reasons for removing the posting. Paul MacDermott (talk) 12:13, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

so you translated the artical right ?? great

so why you said that 50 million copies its not in the artical ????????

and secoundly this web very famouse in german like THE NEW YORK TIMES or THE DAILY.... and if you not sure about that go and google it .. and by the way im not gonna answer you i have told you other user will talk to you later so please drop it until now .....

thanks--sola$$$$$$$$ (talk) 12:18, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Various replies the above user deleted from his talk page, which I'm posting here to show I did actually try to deal with this.

I converted the ref from German and as far as I could see it said nothing about the number of album sales. Happy to add my comments to the talk page, but if the ref is back, it won't stay for long. Paul MacDermott (talk) 21:16, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Actually I saw it this time, obviously something wasn't working properly before. But I think you should provide a reference in English before adding it. Paul MacDermott (talk) 21:24, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I suggest you read WP:CIVIL before your next posting, and my request for an English reference stands. I Googled "Adele" "50 million", but nothing is jumping out. Paul MacDermott (talk) 11:55, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

If you read my comments above you'll see I did translate it, but missed the paragraph on the first occasion. What I'm asking you to do, however, is to find an English reference as these are preferable for the English Wikipedia. I have no idea whether faz.de is regarded as a reliable source or a tabloid, but for this information to be included you need a reliable source. That could be something like New Musical Express, The Times, The Guardian, The New York Times, BBC News, RTE News, The Los Angeles Times, and so on. Generally sources such as The Sun, The Daily Mirror, The Daily Star, etc, should be avoided. If you can find a high-quality source then the information can be included. BYW, I removed your posting of the article from my page because that is against WP:COPYVIO rules. It is fine to quote a few sentences from an article, but not the whole thing. Paul MacDermott (talk) 12:12, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

An update on this. The site appears to belong to Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, which I understand is a broadsheet (having just spoken to a friend in Germany), so may be ok. I'm not sure what the guidelines are on using non-English references, but expect it's ok if no others are available. However, I've looked into the figure, and there don't appear to be any other references quoting 50 million album sales. That suggests to me the numbers are dubious because it would be more widely reported, so I don't think it should be added until more sources are available. Have commented on this at teh talk page if you wish to add any thoughts. Paul MacDermott (talk) 21:58, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

I have recently submitted this article and its in AfC just now. I think you might find it interesting.Markdarrly (talk) 22:38, 26 September 2012 (UTC) Page has now been created at June Anne Devaney Markdarrly (talk) 09:20, 27 September 2012 (UTC) Thanks for that, its the first article that iv created, if its seems ok to you, i must be doing something right!! Iv gota few more acorns that need keyboard fertaliser to make them into mighty articles! once again, thanks Markdarrly (talk) 13:46, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks!! On a similar note, iv recently put some info into the article "Paperweights" stating that fires have been caused by sunrays shining through windows and the magnifying effects of the glass paperweight having caused the ignition of surrounding items. A £750,000 house was torched because of such an incident, I was wondering if it would be possible for such a piece of info to be included in DYK or is it just for new content only? Markdarrly (talk) 12:55, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

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I find it interesting that the suspect has been charged with perverting the course of justice as well as the other charges. The police must have some evidence of the disposal of something or other. Corpus delicti will prove interesting here, they must have something solid to pursue the suspect for, otherwise they would have let him go.Markdarrly (talk) 17:52, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi

(Adele song Skyfall) How come the ref not reliable ??? >???

the song toped the iTunes in 19 countries ..

the score is the main page of the charts ................

the score is - http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/top10songs.html

By the way for the 500000 times please share the talk page before you remove anything please/,,,,

--sola$$$$$$$$ (talk) 18:21, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

If you check the talk page you will see that I have commented there. The problem with the Apple source, I think, is that it isn't static. As soon as a different song knocks Skyfall from the top of the chart the page will say something different. I've Googled this, but without finding anything reliable. Please read our guidelines on what is considered to be a reliable source beccause that will go a long way to explaining what is and what isn't regarded as reliable. Paul MacDermott (talk) 18:27, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello Paul MacDermott,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged 2013 in British radio for deletion, because it seems to be inappropriate for a variety of reasons.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can , but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks, Ankit Maity^Talk_Contribs 15:59, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Yes I made sure to check with multiple music sites as well as artwork for stylization. thanks for taking precautions though. Rogueassassin (talk) 10:31, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi, can someone provide me with the OTRS email to request a delrev of something that could be potentially libellous? I've looked, but can't seem to searching in the right places. Cheers Paul MacDermott (talk) 18:26, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

oversight-en-wp@wikipedia.org . Good luck. Dru of Id (talk) 18:43, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Cheers. Paul MacDermott (talk) 18:45, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

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Very pleased to hear Simon Bates read out a news item in the first half of yesterday's Golden Hour which was based on a Wikipedia entry I made in June 2009. Definitely worthy of a mention here, I think. The item, which can be found at 1992 in British television is reprinted below:

27 March – During the 1992 General Election campaign, Conservative MP Edwina Currie famously pours a glass of orange juice over Labour's Peter Snape shortly after an edition of the Midlands based debate show Central Weekend has finished airing. Speaking about the incident later, Currie said "I just looked at my orange juice, and looked at this man from which this stream of abuse was emanating, and thought 'I know how to shut you up.' ".

Cheers, Simon. Nice to have made a small, albeit indirect contribution to such a legendary show. :) Paul MacDermott (talk) 14:47, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:03, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

And I'm still lagging behind with everything... Right now, I'm "living" between 2 computers. My main one needed the shop for a keyboard and fan issue--was advised that since I could take it to a local authorized repair center, it would be faster than sending it to the company's main US one. Just got it back yesterday after it was there for a month! When I sent one into the company's US center previously, it took a week (including shipping times) to get it back for a bigger job (keyboard, drive and new motherboard). (The "nice" part of it all is they were both covered by warranty, so no bill.)

Found a new photo of her File:Jo Stafford Chesterfield Supper Club 1946.JPG which was sent out by the Supper Club-you can see she was still a bit heavy when it was taken. Have another one I think we need to talk about re: the later Jo Stafford television program. Not sure if you want to change the infobox photo or not, but this is a photo from her Bob Hope show. You'll see by the date on it that it was sent out in the US 2 years after the program had aired in the UK. Since the program was done and aired in the UK before it was in the US, if we choose this, we'll need to keep it here at en.WP due to the possibility of UK copyright. We got the present photo from a local US newspaper ad promoting the show. Not a problem to upload it here and tag it "no Commons"; it's PD in the US, but again, there's a possibility it may not be in the UK. We hope (talk) 16:14, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Then I'll upload the "Bob Hope" photo here and get it into the television show article. Just expanded on the Supper Club "airplane" broadcasts. In the photo you see Como holding the microphone for Jo--this was because the stand-held mikes weren't good for this kind of broadcast and while removing them from the stands and holding them worked better, they were hard to hold because of the cabin pressure of the plane. A real learning experience. No idea how a drive could become dislodged under normal use unless it wasn't in there properly to start with. (But no use telling them that.) :) We hope (talk) 17:16, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

OK-I did a bit of clean up on the Jo article. I need to have a look through my bookmarks, but I believe I have a photo of Avakian-Jonathan Edwards' "creator"-that's PD. :) We hope (talk) 18:19, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Here's Avakian at Commons from the Library of Congress File:George Avakian (Gottlieb 00371).jpg. I added the one with Bob Hope to the television show article. We hope (talk) 19:50, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

After I saw the photo, I realized it was from LOC and was at Commons. Had seen it recently when looking for something else at LOC. Sometimes I see so many photos, I know I've seen one, but can't instantly remember where my bookmark for it is. :) Also linked the mentions of his name in the various articles to his WP bio. There are times you find photos of some of the "behind the scenes" people at places like eBay-recently found a television producer's photo there with an NBC photo mark on it, so that was able to be uploaded as PD.

Just knew I'd seen an Avakian photo and bookmarked it because he was the "start" of Jonathan and Darlene. When I found the one from the television program with Hope in it, I also found some very nice photos of her which look to be shots taken at the same time the cover shot of American Folk Songs was. Trouble is, they're dated but not marked as to who took the photo or where it came from, so we can't use them unless I can find an identical one that says who produced it. Still hoping I can eventually get information on that one with Gordon MacRae and the Cupid statue, as I think it's so funny! :) We hope (talk) 00:14, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

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It looks great! :) We hope (talk) 19:59, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Have been on an internet "journey" (this is a "rest stop" on it) and have learned that Jo and her sisters did a demo radio show for radio station KECA in the LA area called "Open Spaces". It was done with The Sons of the Pioneers but for some reason, it never sold. (In those days and in the early television days, the key was having-and keeping--a sponsor, who would underwrite the costs of a show.) We see what Tommy Dorsey had to do when dear old Sir Hubert became upset about the Pied Pipers; he was protecting his neck, since Sir Hubert's company paid all the salaries and the bills. :)

There's also a story which I can't confirm at this time, that Jo did another record with Red Ingle, but this time she called herself "Buttermilk Tussie". He describes how the Stafford Sisters first sang with a nasal twang and then adopted the style Jo became famous with. There's an MP3 copy of one of the demo songs the Sons of the Pioneers and the Stafford Sisters did-- "Tumbling Tumbleweeds"--online at this link. Jo referred to this demo in a 2001 interview (and that she had a big crush on Roy Rogers). :)

Let me see what else I can dredge up fron the 'net. We hope (talk) 22:07, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello Paul This is Lynn Parsons. I have never met you and to my knowledge I am not related to you. I do have a birth certificate but it doesn't have the name or date that has been on Wikipedia forever, I absolutely object to your questioning my name and date of birth! How extraordinary', my reason for changing it now is that I interviewed Dawn French this week we both agreed to correct our individual pages! As they are completely wrong!!! I am happy for you to remove the page altogether rather than have lies in print about me. Sorry if you think this is harsh but it is a full moon and I happen to know my name and date of birth. Love Light and Sunshine Lynn Parsons Broadcaster86.9.79.223 (talk) 18:50, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, haven't been back her until now (that pesky RL again :)). Let me try working out a way re: why they had to be let go from the radio program without getting into terrible detail about the amount of control a sponsor had over a radio (and early television) show and those who were part of it. Since the respective companies paid for everything, they were, in effect, one's boss. You either did as they asked/said, or your program could be off the air because the sponsor stopped paying the bills. Re: the extremely popular radio program, Amos 'n' Andy, when sponsorship of the show changed from Pepsodent toothpaste to Campbell's soup, Campbell's moved the program from NBC to CBS. The creators/performers had no say in the matter.

A sponsor's requests or demands weren't always reasonable ones. Re: Red Skelton and his first NBC television program, it looks like they (Procter and Gamble) had no idea of how demanding a live television program was. There are a couple of of these shows at the Internet Archive; whether you view it through or just look at the thumbnails, you see it's all Skelton for 30 minutes, down to his doing the commercials live too. They made no provisions for the commercials to be done by the star on film or to cut to an announcer who would deliver them, allowing the performer a break to change costumes, or other necessities. When there was a larger cast, one person didn't have to perform for the entire length of the program-he/she would get a bit of a "break" in the action like that. Skelton was just very lucky CBS-TV decided to take a chance on him; they picked up the show on a sustaining basis (network paying all bills) in the beginning.

From the accounts I've read re: Sir Hubert's ire, it sounds like he was too upset for anyone to try reasoning with him about the Pipers. (Dorsey might have been the next one out the door if he tried.) True, he wasn't dependent on the program for his total living, but the loss of the exposure offered by it would have been a detriment. We hope (talk) 20:36, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I think I do have some sources which deal with the Sir Hubert situation a bit more in depth--will re-read tonight, ref and do what might be needed there. About the Edwardses, if this is what you thought may be a quote: "Stafford asked if she could help; she stood in and in a completely impromptu performance, was brilliantly funny, a remarkable example of how a true singer could adapt to any theme and style. It was not known initially that it was her voice on the record.", the "puff" was added to the article by someone else. The 2 refs say she offered her help to Ingle on the spur or the moment and that it wasn't known she was Cinderella G. Stump for a time. Let me re-read some sources tonight and add or subtract in that department. We hope (talk) 21:56, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

BTW-the embarrassment of Weston and Stordahl spoken about after the Pipers got sacked has a ref--an interview where Weston himself talks about it. We hope (talk) 22:04, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Right now, I'll need to take a bit of time for some vet article ref links. The site where the information was moved to has been down for a few days and there appears to be no information re: what's happening. The original sources are still online at the old website, so I need to swap out the pdf links so our articles are working right. Then I'll get onto Jo's stuff. :) We hope (talk) 22:18, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi.

I have to thank you for being sensible on the Monovia page. So people were really rude and disrespectful, but I can sympathise with your argument. I would however, like it if Monovia was featured in the list of micronations, we have done more then say the Northern American archipelago, we have met the deputy UK prime minister and appeared in the loal news, though I now see your point on the page. Btw, although Monovia is my micronations, I didn't make that article, so you should discuss it with the original maker. Btw, if your a admin, as the Monovian leader, I actually would like it if you could delete the page, it's causing far too much trouble. But I think it would be just for us to appear on the list of micronations. But anyway, Thank you for having a nicer approach then some other people. I am actually a admin on MicroWiki, so I can completely see where you are coming from.

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I'm sure it could be added to the list of micronations, but I'm not sure what their criteria for inclusion actually is. I'm not an admin, so I can't delete it. I'll mention your comments at the afd discussion though. Give me a few minutes to sort some other stuff out then I'll do it. Paul MacDermott (talk) 12:35, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

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Hi. I've just !voted on a few AfDs you created. Although the original creators may be long gone, I wondered whether you considered #After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors in conjunction with creating the nominations. I doesn't look as if you notified anyone, and I think would have been a good idea to do so. Apologies if this message is unwelcome. Cheers. -- Trevj (talk) 12:09, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

No worries, I probably should have done it. I'm in the fortunate position to only have had a couple of articles go to AFD so wasn't really familiar with this. I actually thought a Bot notified the original creator, but perhaps not. I'll remember to do it manually next time. :) Cheers. Paul MacDermott (talk) 12:13, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

OK. I don't know if there's an automated way, but if I find one I'll try to remember to let you know! Cheers. -- Trevj (talk) 12:17, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Paul MacDermott (talk) 12:19, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

ok, have added a few {{AFDWarning}} templates. Better late than never, I guess. :) Paul MacDermott (talk) 13:07, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Looks as if it was worthwhile. Nice one. -- Trevj (talk) 22:16, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, a 25% success rate from contacting old users can't be bad. :) Paul MacDermott (talk) 22:22, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

We have these if you know of a spot for them:

• File:Jo Stafford Paul Weston 1954.JPG
• File:Paul Weston Tim Weston Jo Stafford 1954.JPG

Ran into something interesting last night- this album of sacred music where Jo sings nothing but the religious music written by Paul. If you look at the photos on eBay's zoom, you can read the cover with the liner notes and selections just fine. According to the seller, this was done in the 1960s. I'd say it was done after 1963, because they came up with Zip Codes (the numbers after Cincinnati, Ohio) at that point. This is all I know about the album at this point--didn't know of it until I ran across it last night while looking for something else. :) We hope (talk) 20:53, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

It looks like the discography dating of 1970 for the album is right, as it mentions that Paul was the music director for The Jim Nabors Hour. That aired from 1969 to 1971. It also looks like it was Jo and Paul's compositions for side one only, as Martin Luther wrote "A Mighty Fortress Is Our God". The discography says there was an album on Tribute Records, but everything I've seen so far for a label with that name is too recent to be the right one. Here's World Library of Sacred Music, but it looks like it's out of both press and print re: sheet music. I think we need to work it in somewhere with at least a mention, don't you? 22:03, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Just bumped up the fine print at Billboard and it's the identical copy to the first Billboard link you found. :) We hope (talk) 22:37, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Not so bad after all! :) I read your WorldCat link and it leads to Tribute Records/World Library of Sacred Music in Cincinnati, Ohio, as the distributor. This Tribute was in New York and this might be it. We hope (talk) 23:09, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

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Quick question. I notice the appearance of diffs appears to have changed this evening, and the text changes are no longer highlighted. If this is a permanent change, is there a way to get highlighting back because it's a nightmare to spot minor tweaks. Paul MacDermott (talk) 22:52, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, the highlighting still is there, maybe the page you were looking at just had some whitespace removed and therefore had nothing to highlight? gwickwire | Leave a message 00:20, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. I thought it could be that, but it definitely appears to have changed. I made a couple of minor edits to see what would happen and wasn't getting any bold text to identify the updates. I wondered if some software changes were being implemented. Paul MacDermott (talk) 00:28, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry that I can't be much help then, the diffs still look fine to me. I'll leave this open so others can come help. Alternatively, if you have an IRC cloak or don't mind using your IP address, you can join #wikipedia-en-help ^connect and maybe someone there will know what's going on. gwickwire | Leave a message 00:36, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I need to log off for the night because it's getting quite late. Hopefully someone might find out what's happening overnight, but if not I'll look at IRC in the morning. Just a note to anyone who sees this, the change happened suddenly just after 21:00 UTC this evening. Thanks again for taking a look. Paul MacDermott (talk) 00:41, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm also in UK, the system was playing up quite a lot tonight - I loaded up several pages and it failed to display them properly, it was obvious that the CSS (or part of it) had not been applied to the article - maybe it was an issue with the European server, it seems to be improving now. It would not surprise me if the highlighting in the diffs was not controlled by the CSS.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:49, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

From a quick read through the article it seems this could be the problem. Strangely it's only happening with Google Chrome. I've checked in IE and Firefox and those seem to be fine. Interestingly I seem to suddenly have HotCat which I've never bothered to install on this account (though I have an alternative account with it). I think I'll mention this at the helpdesk because it may be a bug in the software. Cheers Paul MacDermott (talk) 12:23, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Just because I still had this on my watchlist: HotCat was enabled for all registered users (in a kind of smaller fashion) by default a while ago (not too long). Also, I think there was a rolling wave of server issues on that night, as about 2-3 hours later we all got it here in the USA, and none of our gadgets were working.. Hope that helps clear things up a little bit. gwickwire | Leave a message 16:00, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't know they'd enabled HotCat automatically. I just spotted it the other night and wondered what was going on. The diff thing seems to be up and running again now, so hopefully all the bugs are fixed. :) Paul MacDermott (talk) 16:35, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Paul MacDermott, thanks so much for taking the time to review these two song articles. I'm over the moon about "Who Can See It" getting to GA (wow!), and I'll take a look at those points you've raised about improving the article further, particularly re extending the lead-in. With "What Is Life", I've gone ahead and removed that unsourced point on The Discotheques scoring a top ten hit in 1972; seems a pity, but you're quite right – the statement should be either supported with a reference or removed entirely. Thank you again. I really do appreciate contributors taking the time to review GA noms, especially over this last month or two when there seems to have been such a huge backlog of nominated articles. Best, JG66 (talk) 03:38, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi again. Just wanted to say, I've got The Concert for Bangladesh up as a nominated article – in case, you felt up to doing another Harrison article. (Completely understand if you'd rather not, of course.) Regards, and thanks again. JG66 (talk) 15:21, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Paul MacDermott. A big thanks for the Concert for Bangladesh GA and for your complimentary words. As for taking the article (and "What Is Life" too) up to FA, I'm a bit reluctant to get into that, actually, from the point of view of available time. I've only been involved, as a contrib offering comments, in one FAC, and the process seemed to drag on forever from what I could see, with the number of contribs taking part and the diverse opinions. Probably wrong of me to judge the process on such limited experience, I realise, but I worry that I'd be following other contribs' suggestions/requirements blindly, just to get the thing over and done with, even though I might disagree with their suggestions. So ultimately the quality of the article might suffer. Maybe I just happened to pick a particularly challenging FAC, I don't know(!). But hey, it means a lot that you think at least one of those articles you've reviewed is a contender – thank you. I might well be in touch again soon once I've got another Harrison article ready for GAN, if that's okay. Cheers, JG66 (talk) 06:46, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the message, Paul MacDermott. Yes, 'taking over your life' – I think I'll just stick in the realm of GANs for now. Cheers, JG66 (talk) 10:12, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello, thank you very much for your comment about Lorraine Newman. I have now delisted the article as a GA nom, due to your very good points! There are no sources about Newman's birth, nor where she grew up. The first mention of her is when she was 17 and she got her job at EastEnders. She has done minor projects, but her role in EastEnders is her most prominent. The article may come a bit unstable as it will needed to be constantly updated, so I believe what you put on my talk page i correct. Im not sure if I will re-submit it, but I a going to try and try to find some mention of her before the age of 17. Thanks! — M.Mario (T/C) 22:35, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello again! Please do not feel bad, it was the correct decision! So, please, do not feel bad, as I think it is most likely it would have not been passed. I may try for GA in the future, but only once I have found a bit more background past. Thank you for reviewing Marsden, hopefully it will be passed - once again thanks! — M.Mario (T/C) 15:21, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi,

I am currently working as Wikipedian in Residence at Staffordshire Archives and Heritage Service. Are you still interested in starting Wikipedia:WikiProject Staffordshire? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:17, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Tried my hand at cleaning this up. It had far too many scripts on it from the collapsible tables and it was a hard job because of it. Saw that Capitol Collectors Series has 4.5 stars, so it could go back to having its own page. Also see that the Portrait Edition compilation album is well rated too, so you might want to do something with that, but we have to be careful with adding more to the list because of the table scripts that make the page load slowly and hard to work with. If you want or need album covers for these two, let me know. We hope (talk) 06:21, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

I think you're onto something with the thought of splitting it because it would "limit" the number of tables/scripts on each page, and that should mean no more issues. When we look at other articles that don't have so many tables and scripts, there's no problem. After you split them and get the other 2 albums onto pages, let me know and I'll add them to the template. We hope (talk) 16:15, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Will get onto the AllMusic rating right away! :) We hope (talk) 17:10, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Paul MacDermott, I'm beginning the copy-edit to the above article that you requested at the GOCE Request page. Please feel free to contact me, or to correct or revert my edits if I'm doing something I shouldn't. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 05:06, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for taking this on. Looks fine so far. Cheers Paul MacDermott (talk) 11:54, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm thinking of putting the presenters in 'Presenter history' into a collapsible table. What do you think? My concern is that as presenters join and leave the station, the section will become a cluttered mess. However, I am counselled to avoid laundry lists. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 05:56, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

That sounds fine. I've been updating them as changes are made to the line up. There was a former presenters section, but looking at other radio stations such as BBC Radio 2, I see those tend to become overling in time. Paul MacDermott (talk) 14:48, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for replying; I've converted the prose in that section to list format, which can be expanded as necessary and possibly hidden if needed, but I've left it visible as there's not too much data there. I've retained references but ditched the prose - I hope that's ok. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 06:23, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Should be ok. As we don't currently have a lot of GA-class radio station articles to go on (and none at FA) it's difficult to know what to include and what to leave out. I think as a lot of other articles of this type have the information in list format there shouldn't be a problem. Paul MacDermott (talk) 20:30, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

I was going to ask for an exemplar radio article to follow, but as there's none I've followed my nose. :-) Anyway, copy-edit done - please feel free to contact me about any issues arising from the copy-edit, and good luck with the GA - I'll inform the reviewer I'm done. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 05:27, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the copy-edit. Its looking much better now. The closest FA-class article I could find that was relevant to this is Mutual Broadcasting Systems, which has a similar format for presenting information no their prominent personnel. With that in mind I'm thinking I might take this forward to FAC eventually as it would be a definite candidate for Today's Featured Article, but that's for the future. :) Once again thanks for the work you've done with this. Cheers Paul MacDermott (talk) 16:28, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

No worries; it's lucky it reached the top of the queue just in time for GA review. It's an interesting article which I think would make a good FA. Thanks for the Mutual link - I think it's strange that article uses the 'See also' section to present shows and presenters info. Oh well, good luck :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:07, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

No problem and congratulations on bringing the article up to speed. As I said in the review, I enjoyed reading it very much. The copy-edit provided by baffle was also excellent. I'm not sure how far you want to take the article, but I do think it is fairly close to FA standard (though as someone who routinely fails to get his own GA articles through WP:FAC, I might not be the best judge of these things) and it might be worth taking it to peer review as a logical next step. Whatever you decide, best of luck :) Meetthefeebles (talk) 15:13, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Professional ratings

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OK-here's the AllMusic template for the album. Will be glad to do the same with the Portrait one too. We hope (talk) 17:26, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Right now, I'm going to try working on the template for the right links for all of this. Will re-do the Capitol Collectors' Series link when you've moved it and add one for the Portrait album when it's ready. We hope (talk) 17:31, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Got them both rated and with covers. :) The site now "hides" the info we need for the ratings template under "album metadata IDs". Clicking that link gets you the number starting with an "R", which is what we use. But they've put a space between the R and the numbers, so we have to get rid of that and make the R lower case, it seems, to make it work with the template. We hope (talk) 19:08, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

You just have to figure out what they've changed and do a little "improvisation" to make it work with what we have. ;) We hope (talk) 19:14, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Paul MacDermott. I'm just about to put The Best of George Harrison up for GAN, after it got knocked back pretty severely in my previous attempt (slightly unfair, imo, but that's not to say the reviewer wasn't spot-on much of the time). It would be great if you could look at this one too? Hope so. Cheers, JG66 (talk) 15:09, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

That's fantastic – thank you. It should be up on the noms page by now. Cheers, JG66 (talk) 15:22, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Paul MacDermott. I imagine you've probably got the article's talk page on your watchlist, but just in case ... Thank you for offering me the extra time to fix the issues you mentioned – I've gone through the article, made the necessary changes, and I think it's ready now. The only thing I feel doesn't really work is the addition of a reviewer's quote in the lead-in, but see what you think. Thanks, JG66 (talk) 12:35, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again for the pass, Paul MacDermott. I'm not sure why I had such a problem with this article compared with others – I think because the subject seems so entirely enshrouded in negativity, so it was a horrible article to work on really. Anyway, your keeping me honest (by reiterating concerns raised by the previous reviewer which perhaps I'd thought weren't valid) has made for a way better article now. Big thanks! Cheers, JG66 (talk) 03:58, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

If you feel it's a little too early for this article to appear in the mainspace then please feel free to move it back to my userspace. Cheers. Paul MacDermott (talk) 23:42, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

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Regarding this question, have you tried WP:VPT?— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:41, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I've reviewed your DYK suggestion of Ron Ball and have a few queries. Espresso Addict (talk) 14:14, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

I've responded at the DYK subpage. By the way, are you still interested in organising WikiProject Shropshire? I live a few miles from the border and would be happy to contribute, but I tend to work best on projects which have infrastructure, and it looks as if the project never really got off the ground. Espresso Addict (talk) 15:49, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

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Are you having issues with it re: your A/V saying there's a virus on the site? I've had them for a long time when I'd try going to their main page to create a citation. Am also wondering if you've seen a lot of spam at the e-mail addy you use or used for creating citations. Have had to delete the gmail addy I had for 5+ years because of spam (used it at WebCite) recently. Thanks for any info you may have, We hope (talk) 22:50, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

My thought re: WebCite is that someone may have hacked it and gotten access to the various addys people used for citations, so whatever addy or addys you used for them, you're now getting spam there. I have Avast A/V and it's gone off every time I've tried going to their main page to create a site for some time now, so I've stopped trying to archive like this. Avast has gone off whether I was using IE or Firefox. Unfortunately, I don't know how one can get in touch with those who run the site (didn't see any e-mail addy when I was there last and Avast didn't block the page) to let them know there may be a problem so we can all use the site without issues again. We hope (talk) 14:38, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

No-the addy would be whatever e-mail address or addresses you used or were using to create citations there. If someone's hacked into the site, they're able to have access to the e-mail addresses of anyone who's created a citation there, and can use them for spamming. When I go to the main WebCite page, using either IE or Firefox, I'm told that Avast just stopped a malware download on the page.

Yes, sometimes an A/V can have false positives (got rid of Norton ages ago because it went off every time I worked on a site I'd worked at for years and knew they have great security), but it would seem that after a given period of time, the false positive should be resolved and you'd hear no more from your A/V when you went to the site. I'd believe that Chrome, McAfee and Avast all aren't wrong about something not right there, because they've continued to give us some kind of warnings over time. I'll be glad to add my pennysworth (inflation reduced it from two cents :)) at either or both of the desks because I do think there's an issue with the site. BTW, if you want a good free e-mail program that gets rid of the spam (for one account only-more accounts isn't free), try this. Have used it and it does work. :) We hope (talk) 15:45, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

These are phishing mails and should be reported to your internet service provider if that's where the addy is or to the provider (Microsoft, Yahoo, etc.) of your e-mail service. I ditched the gmail because I was reporting stuff like this and Google didn't seem to be doing anyting about it. If you get a new addy, if the name is anything like the one you're getting phishing spam on, they already have that in their dictionary and may find you at another place. If this is the address you were using to create citations at WebCite, it sure looks like there is something really wrong there and we need to find a way to let the real WebCite people know. We hope (talk) 17:49, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Grab the headers of any you have and get them to BT. They should have a department that deals with e-mail fraud, phishing and the like. BT may ask you to keep copying the headers and sending them in until they can fix the problem. The best and fastest help with e-mail issues I ever had was with the now defunct WorldNet. They used Brightmail for screening and if you had to report something, it was history in a hurry. I'll use a "throwaway" e-mail addy to contact WebCite's tech department to tell them of the issues I've had. Will let you know what their response is. We hope (talk) 18:28, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Great!! Some time ago, there was a virus that grabbed addresses and sent e-mails. My cousin had a habit of sending out a bulk mailing with everyone's addys on it. One of her friends got the virus and it started sending out mail. The virus took someone's name and "matched" it with someone else's mail provider. I got one of them; knew it was wrong because it wasn't her mail provider and deleted it on sight. :) We hope (talk) 23:07, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Text of e-mail:

Hello,

I've used it happily for some time at Wikipedia, but in the last few months, each time I try to access the cite, my A/V (Avast) blocks the home page, saying it's prevented a malware download.

Also, in the last couple of months, I started receiving spam at the e-mail address I was using for making citations. I'd had the address for over 5 years without issues like this. Google did nothing to resolve the problem so I closed that address and moved to using the same name at Hotmail.

The same type of spam is now at Hotmail and I will be abandoning that address as soon as a medical e-mail subscription address can be changed. It appears to be a dictionary-related issue.

A Wikipedia colleague in the UK is having the same sort of issues. His McAfee A/V issues a warning when using WebCite; he also uses Chrome and the browser stops and asks if he really wants to go to WebCite when he attempts to use it. His BT home e-mailbox contains the same type of spam I was getting at gmail and now at Hotmail.

From this perspective, it appears that WebCite has been tampered with. We would all appreciate any information you're able to provide so we can continue using this great resource as we have in the past.

Thanks,

We hope (talk) 18:52, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

If your spam has attachments, I'd not open them or the mail. There's now a malware gang operating who shuts down your PC and holds it for ransom. Story was recently in the New York Times. I'd leave them right where they are and get hold of BT for advice. None of the stuff I've gotten had attachments; the last time I had some that did, I was with WorldNet and AT&T asked my permission to go into my mail for them. (The spammers were evading the spam filters by sending their mesage via image.)

What I would do, though, is to open a Hotmail or Outlook account for use with web citations and things like this. Signing up for gmail now means you have to take a Google+ account, which you may not want. You don't have to do anything like this with Hotmail or Outlook and if there is a problem e-mail in your inbox, you have a selector to click that's for reporting phishing e-mails. It reports them and dumps them. We hope (talk) 19:44, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment and for picking up on my typo. What can I say? Dinner was calling and I rushed it! Dalliance (talk) 23:11, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi Paul, I'm beginning the copy-edit you requested for the above article at the GOCE Request page. Please feel free to contact me, or to correct or revert my changes if I'm doing something I shouldn't. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 00:50, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Done - I think it's an interesting and well-written article that deserves to have GA status, so wishing you well for the nomination. Please feel free to contact me about any issues arising from the copy-edit. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 12:00, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the copyedit. As usual you've done an excellent job so I'll submit it for GA this afternoon. Cheers Paul MacDermott (talk) 15:56, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

No worries :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 20:09, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

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OK, I completely messed up here. I was wondering if someone could move A is for Acid to A Is for Acid per the naming of articles. I know this isn't the usual means of requesting a move, but things are slightly complicated because Talk:A is for Acid redirects to Talk:A Is for Acid so I'm not entirely sure how to proceed. Alternatively could someone post a request in the appropriate place? This is an uncontroversial move so there shouldn't be a problem. Cheers Paul MacDermott (talk) 17:38, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I've removed the redirect Talk:A is for Acid to Talk:A Is for Acid for you, but you will need an administrator's help with this page move as the target title already exists. I have changed the {{help me}} tag to an {{admin help}} one, so hopefully an administrator will be along shortly. Pol430 talk to me 19:09, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

 Done Should be good to go. Calmer Waters 19:41, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Cheers, guys. Thanks for sorting it out for me. Paul MacDermott (talk) 23:07, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

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Here's a wish from me you won't see as shocking, that this lady's music is in your Christmas stocking! We hope (talk) 20:34, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi Paul MacDermott. I'm just about to put this article up for GAN, so thought I'd let you know, in case you're able to review it? Hope so. Cheers, JG66 (talk) 08:10, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi again. Thanks for your comments in the GAR – very useful. I've made the changes, and there's a message on the talk page also. Thanks again, Paul MacDermott. JG66 (talk) 15:54, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Hey Paul MacDermott. I hope you're enjoying your Christmas. Just to let you know, I'm putting "Dark Horse" and maybe "Hari's on Tour (Express)" up for GAN very soon. Completely understand if you have something else you'd rather be doing at this time of year(!), but just in case ... Cheers, JG66 (talk) 07:54, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

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There is a thread where you're listed as a party. It is from the 14th of December, but do you think that continuing the discussion be necessary? The thread is still open. ~~Ebe123~~ → report 01:45, 29 December 2012 (UTC)