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Whilst lojong and paramita sadhana are most definitely Tibetan Buddhist practices, as paramitayana they're not Vajrayana but Mahayana practices... Not tantric practices at all therefore. I think they probably shouldn't be mentioned on this page. Any opinions? Dakinijones (talk) 14:35, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Those references are confusing and need deletion. I've done it. Moonsell (talk) 12:14, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As there is such a big overlap between this page and the Vajrayana page, would it not make more sense to combine them both into just one article? A lot of the material is repeated verbatim in both places. What is the difference between Tantra techniques and Vajrayana, if any? Could someone please clarify. Thanks a lot. (Truthbody (talk) 00:40, 5 April 2009 (UTC))[reply]

We need to merge this page with the Vajrayana article. Moonsell (talk) 12:14, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Vajrayana page is already so long, I don't think I'd agree with this. If anything, this article could be expanding with more details of various practices. Yworo (talk) 18:45, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

One way to solve this problem is to have the Vajrayana page focus on the ideas and this page focus on the actual practices. What does everyone else thing? Fastslack (talk) 03:44, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aren't these two sections about the same topic? Or am I missing something? I think these two sections should be merged in some way. Any comments? Yworo (talk) 18:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. It seems like in the Hindu context the word sadhana is used very generally to mean "practice," but in the Buddhist context it is used specifically to mean vajrayana ritual texts and the meditation practices based directly thereupon. This distinction has been obscured on wikipedia thanks to B9 Hummingbird's indiscriminate use of the Hindu sense of the term in articles about Buddhism. I've been trying to fix this whenever I come across it. Usually sadhanas don't involve sexual yoga.Sylvain1972 (talk) 15:17, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, yes, B9 Hummingbird. His ban discussion on WP:ANI was how I came to put several of these articles on my watchlist in the first place. Yworo (talk) 15:32, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm interested to know where this list of 15 sadhanas of the Nalanda tradition came from.....Chod was not, think, something practiced at Nalanda. And this list omits BuddhaKapala, and Shri Caturpitha, and Mahamaya.....these were almost certainly well known at Nalanda? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Conebeckham (talk • contribs) 17:04, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Deity yoga should be split out as a separate article. Probably also Empowerment (Vajrayana). We may also want an article on Generation and completion. Skyerise (talk) 13:50, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe someone can write a section comparing Tibetan tantric practices to Indian tantric practices?

~~Ted~~ 2607:FEA8:4A2:4100:AD57:FB2C:9B08:C4E6 (talk) 07:36, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What sources can you suggest for this? Skyerise (talk) 18:26, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tibetan tantric practice, also known as "the practice of secret mantra", and "tantric techniques", refers to the main tantric practices in Tibetan Buddhism. The great Rime scholar Jamgön Kongtrül refers to this as "the Process of Meditation in the Indestructible Way of Secret Mantra" and also as "the way of mantra", "way of method" and "the secret way" in his Treasury of Knowledge. These Vajrayāna Buddhist practices are mainly drawn from the Buddhist tantras and are generally not found in "common" (i.e. non-tantric) Mahayana. These practices are seen by Tibetan Buddhists as the fastest and most powerful path to Buddhahood. In Tibetan Buddhism, the higher tantric yogas are generally preceded by preliminary practices (Tib. ngondro), which include sutrayana practices (i.e. non-tantric Mahayana practices) as well as preliminary tantric meditations. Tantric initiation is required to enter into the practice of tantra. Unsurpassable Yoga Tantra (Skt. anuttarayogatantra, also known as Mahayoga) are in turn seen as the highest tantric practices in Tibetan Buddhism. Anuttarayoga tantric practice is divided into two stages, the generation stage and the completion stage. In the generation stage, one meditates on emptiness and visualizes one's chosen deity (yidam), its mandala and companion deities, resulting in identification with this divine reality (called "divine pride"). This is also known as deity yoga (devata yoga). In the completion stage, the focus is shifted from the form of the deity to direct realization of ultimate reality (which is defined and explained in various ways). Completion stage practices also include techniques that work with the subtle body substances (Skt. bindu, Tib. thigle) and "vital winds" (vayu, lung), as well as the luminous or clear light nature of the mind. They are often grouped into different systems, such as the six dharmas of Naropa, or the six yogas of Kalachakra. There are also practices and methods which are sometimes seen as being outside of the two tantric stages, mainly Mahamudra and Dzogchen (Atiyoga).@ 2402:8100:2674:529F:0:0:834F:CEAE (talk) 18:45, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]