Talk:Self-Portrait at 6th Wedding Anniversary

Suggested move

I suggest this article be moved to Self-Portrait on her 5th Wedding Anniversary (Modersohn-Becker). The preposition "at" is not idiomatic English in this context; "on her" is better but requires identification of "her".

The artist was married in May 1901: the anniversary to fall in 1906 was her fifth, not her sixth. Presumably the German title is counting the day of the wedding as the first Hochzeitstag, but that doesn't work in English.-- Frans Fowler (talk) 21:37, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, anybody? Frans Fowler (talk) 21:46, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No consensus, so I've added a section (Translated title) to the article instead. The preposition in the article title is still wrong. ----- Frans Fowler (talk) 21:40, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Change of casing on title to sentence casing?

Should the title be changed to sentence casing? Does anyone have a source for if the original painting is titled in sentence casing? I have found the title both capitalized and not capitalized in various sources. Missalaynius (talk) 20:38, 12 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The original title of the painting is Selbstbildnis am 6. Hochzeitstag, which is not in title case in the way writers of English would understand "title case". In German, the only case requirement for the title of a work of art, a book, or similar, is that the first letter of the first word is in upper case. Hochzeitstag is in sentence case: it is a noun, and all nouns conventionally take an initial capital in German—whether in a title or in running text. In English Wikipedia, WP:NCCAPS applies, so the casing in the article title is right. Note, however, that the words in the article title are wrong (see the Suggested move section above). -- Frans Fowler (talk) 22:56, 12 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The first self-portrait of a woman in the history of art

This painting is not "the first self-portrait of a woman in the history of art". Europeana is wrong. For instance, this one beats it by the best part of 300 years. I do think I have read somewhere that the Becker is probably the first nude self-portrait by a woman, and there might be a reference somewhere for that. Can anybody help please? --- Frans Fowler (talk) 01:15, 13 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]