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[[Special:Contributions/64.66.210.131|64.66.210.131]] ([[User talk:64.66.210.131|talk]]) 04:43, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/64.66.210.131|64.66.210.131]] ([[User talk:64.66.210.131|talk]]) 04:43, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
:We have discussed this before (see the archives)... it is not up to Wikipedia to choose who does and does not perform legitimate masonic ritual. To keep the truly fraudulent ones out, the consensus was to include any grand lodge that has a provable physical address. [[User:Blueboar|Blueboar]] ([[User talk:Blueboar|talk]]) 10:40, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
:We have discussed this before (see the archives)... Wikipedia has to remain neutral on the issue of masonic regularity, and can not choose which jurisdictions are regular and which are not. Every Grand Lodge thinks itself regular... and every grand lodge maintains a list of ''other'' GLs which it deems irregular. No two lists match. So who's list do we use? To keep the truly fraudulent ones out, the consensus was to include any grand lodge that has a verifiable physical address.
:As a side note... the term "clandestine" does not really apply to a Grand Lodge... You can have clandestine ''lodges'' (defined as a lodge operating without a warrant, charter or dispensation from a grand lodge) and clandestine ''Masons'' (those made masons in clandestine lodges)... but not a clandestine grand lodge (since all grand lodges are self-created). [[User:Blueboar|Blueboar]] ([[User talk:Blueboar|talk]]) 10:53, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

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Concerns over clandestine groups included

Folks, I see this has been discussed before, but it's concerning that this list includes several groups not recognized by actual Masonry. Almost anyone can start a "grand lodge" as a private company and start selling membership, and that is what these "clandestine" groups have done. These groups do not follow actual masonic ritual and are considered fraudulent[1], therefore should not be included on this list. I recommend having a more realistic criteria for inclusion, such as being recognized in a regular masonic jurisdiction such as UGLE.

64.66.210.131 (talk) 04:43, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We have discussed this before (see the archives)... Wikipedia has to remain neutral on the issue of masonic regularity, and can not choose which jurisdictions are regular and which are not. Every Grand Lodge thinks itself regular... and every grand lodge maintains a list of other GLs which it deems irregular. No two lists match. So who's list do we use? To keep the truly fraudulent ones out, the consensus was to include any grand lodge that has a verifiable physical address.
As a side note... the term "clandestine" does not really apply to a Grand Lodge... You can have clandestine lodges (defined as a lodge operating without a warrant, charter or dispensation from a grand lodge) and clandestine Masons (those made masons in clandestine lodges)... but not a clandestine grand lodge (since all grand lodges are self-created). Blueboar (talk) 10:53, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ykJN6rMccY
allikas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special%3ADiff%2F856024335