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I think we should use a picture of a woman who isn’t dressed in stereotypically feminine clothing to avert the “men in dresses” stereotype. IWannaBeSedated24 (talk) 07:21, 21 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm assuming by "stereotypically feminine" you mean "pink and frilly"? It's the "men" part that is offensive, not the "in dresses".

I did revert to the previous image (A), as I don't see clear consensus to change it to Snokalok's proposed version (B).

I would prefer a high-quality photo of a trans woman in more average makeup and clothes (i.e., not a beauty pageant winner) trans woman, for example this portrait from transexual (C) –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (talk • stalk) 08:43, 21 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I stumbled upon this discussion when fetching images for the portuguese Wikipedia. I've picked example C to illustrate it and I think it would be fitting here as well :) Morgueço | Morgueco (he/him) 🦇 🇧🇷 talk • contributions 15:57, 29 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, we can avoid the men in dresses thing by not having a main pic that looks clocky while covered in 20 lbs of makeup - hence why I say include the trans model. Snokalok (talk) 10:43, 21 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No one image can represent a whole demographic fully. In picking a lead image we are faced with the same false dichotomy that trans women themselves are subject too. Look too feminine and it's too "try hard", "stereotypical", etc. Don't look feminine enough and it's "not making an effort". What's in-between? Nothing! It's a false dichotomy set up so that there is no "correct" answer. I propose that we not worry too much about this beyond avoiding anything too much one or the other.

I don't like image B. It's the fact that she is posing awkwardly on a small table that makes it weird for me, not her or even the slightly odd dress. Maybe it works as a visual metaphor for being put awkwardly on display by a society that treats people like exhibits but we shouldn't really be picking images based on that sort of consideration.

I quite like image C. It shows a trans woman participating in society rather than just posing for a photo. She is well dressed but not too glamorous. My concerns are that the "xy" on her hand is ambiguous and might only make sense in the context of the specific event she was attending. My other concern is that we don't know who she is or how she might feel about having her face used as the lead image of the article about all trans women. That said, I agree that this is the sort of image we want. If we could find something similar but depicting a notable person then that might be better. --DanielRigal (talk) 15:05, 21 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The 2005 photo (C) is not anonymous; the woman photographed is July Schultz, who (according to Buzzfeed) identifies as transsexual and seemed to respond positively when Chelsea Manning retweeted it.[1] I think it would be fitting here.

@Snokalok: I understand and largely agree with the motivation here to choose a lede image depicting a transitioned women who is conventionally attractive and feminine, or passing without being exceptionally glamorous, but kindly avoid brainwormed and objectifying terms like clocky. –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (talk • stalk) 20:26, 21 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I like C as well. IWannaBeSedated24 (talk) 21:42, 21 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Same here. I like C as well. It seems the more active of the three, while A is a glamour/promotional shot at a fashion show (or some sort of competition) and B is like what someone would post on social media... Historyday01 (talk) 19:04, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

• For what it's worth, I also like C. And as that one is the clear winner, I'm going to make that change. As always, feel free to revert, but please explain why here, if you do. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:32, 29 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
• C, if I am limited to only these three choices. But I am not at all happy with C, either. Trans women typically are not as pretty, not as young, not as passable, and not as activist, as C is. (That goes double for A and B, who are even further from typical than C is.) I thought the discussions at Talk:Woman to try to pick just one image as the lead photo were well done. As hard as it is to pick just one image to represent "Woman", I think the consensus choice was a good one. I would hope that an equally earnest and well-attended discussion on this page might pick a better image than A, B, or C. Where are the options to choose from among trans women who look more like Rachel Levine, Jan Morris, Kate Bornstein, Susan Stryker, Jennifer Boylan, Sylvia Rivera, Phyllis Frye, or Sandy Stone? (Note: activists over-represented, because that's what we have on Commons.) Forced to choose, photo C is the least bad, but that doesn't mean it is good. Mathglot (talk) 06:36, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • This has made me want to deep dive to see if there's a good fourth option, though I fear it's too late for me to do it tonight (I started to but realized just a little bit in that I'm not equipped to evaluate images in a "good lead image" sort of criteria at this hour, alas). - Purplewowies (talk) 08:33, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

    My fave would likely have been Wendy Carlos, but alas, we do not have an image of her in Commons. Mathglot (talk) 08:51, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

• Listed at: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBTQ+ studies. Mathglot (talk) 06:43, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe we could use a collage to represent the different ways trans women can present, similar to the lead image for autism? That way we don't have to pick just one image. Rosaece ♡ talk ♡ contribs 11:35, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

If we follow that route (which I think might be a really good idea), we'll still have to pick which image comes first and is thus part of the page preview. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 13:11, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest using Template:Multiple image to show four subjects, sorted alphabetically by name. I realize this would require a selection of four images, but it takes care of the problem of 1 or 2 images representing a group of people. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:15, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly oppose per WP:NOETHNICGALLERIES. While we have a responsibility to avoid stereotyping and choose images which accurately reflect the diversity of human bodies, it is not possible nor intended that we have done so exhaustively before the user has scrolled below the fold. Also collages don't work well on small screens. –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (talk • stalk) 14:48, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I encourage editors to seek out or create more representative photos, before assuming one must exist. Regrettably, the same systemic forces which allow rampant violence against trans women who are not white, pretty, perceived-as-cis, and under 30 also affect which subjects it is easy to find freely licensed high-quality photos of.

In the name of combatting bias, I suppose we must, at length, decide upon the degree of masculinity and unfuckability that is representative of the "average" trans woman, according to our personal perception. I see no way this could go wrong. –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (talk • stalk) 15:35, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

In the name of combatting bias, I suppose we must, at length, decide upon the degree of masculinity and unfuckability that is representative of the "average" trans woman, according to our personal perception. I see no way this could go wrong. Well, the problem with that is that the people most invested in convincing the rest of us that it's an universal truth have computers full of the cookies and cache to prove that they can scarcely imagine a trans woman who isn't fuckable enough for them.

In all seriousness, this is a good point, which I why I support image C: it's an image that (to any reasonable person) is devoid of any sexual element. While society at large may treat trans women as mostly (if not entirely) sexual objects, I think it's important that WP portray them as people, full stop. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:48, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

masculine and unfuckable was meant as a (crass) nod toward a more general and pervasive transphobic stereotype, but the notion that trans bodies are inherently sexual objects is also useful to keep in mind. I don't personally think any of the photos in A,B,C substantially have this problem. –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (talk • stalk) 15:59, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I understood your reference and was using it as a launching board to gripe about the tendency of right-wingers to be chasers in private while deriding the appearance of trans women in public, something which I find utterly despicable and pathetic.

I agree that none of those images substantially have that problem, but I feel that C is entirely absent any sexual connotations, whereas the aesthetic qualities of the others (being glamour shots) at least acknowledges western sexual norms. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 14:56, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion What if we did used a group photo of trans women? That way it's not a collage but still more than one person. I'll look around and see what's available. Urchincrawler (talk) 18:57, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Does such an image exist? I mean that's always the issue. Historyday01 (talk) 19:06, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Here is photo on WikiCommons I found of two trans women (Aria Sa'id and Nava Mau). Urchincrawler (talk) 19:30, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I took that photo, but I would caution against using it because Mau's publicist said she "incredibly dislikes" another photo I took of her at the same event, which I had added to Mau's page when she co-starred in Baby Reindeer. (This was upsetting to me, as Mau certainly didn't voice any objections to her photos at the time I first published them...) Funcrunch (talk) 20:03, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. Thanks! Urchincrawler (talk) 21:31, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I also found a photo of Indian trans women writing poetry for something more low key and of several contestants at a transgender pageant for something more formal, though the later may run into the issue of being too stereotypically feminine. The photo of Indian women would be good for more POC inclusion in the images since some people forget trans people can be from any culture and race. Urchincrawler (talk) 19:40, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Culture is not equal to skin color, here goes a white brazilian trans woman for you.[2] Morgueço | Morgueco (he/him) 🦇 🇧🇷 talk • contributions 19:53, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I know culture=/=skin color, but they are also Indian culturally. Plus groups of different races can have cultural differences within the same country. For instance a black American may celebrate kwanzaa while a white American may not. Urchincrawler (talk) 19:57, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want to engage in a long-form discussion on the subject because this goes against the Wiki policies but please reconsider your usage of terms related to culture and skin color. This is a good, academical text on the subject that can be put in English through DeepL, Google Translate or another tool of your choice. Morgueço | Morgueco (he/him) 🦇 🇧🇷 talk • contributions 21:35, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

noted. Urchincrawler (talk) 22:37, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I'm extremely reluctant to use any images that includes bikini shots. Not saying that the rest aren't good, but those bikini photos are a hard pass from me. We can illustrate a trans woman without contributing to the sexual objectification of trans bodies. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 14:59, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a group photo I took at the SF Trans March in 2016. Funcrunch (talk) 19:11, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

And here's a potential crop of that image. Funcrunch (talk) 19:15, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Support ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:44, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I support this image! The trans woman in pants and blazer contrasts the women in dresses. It shows trans women of different races and body types too. It shows trans people as a diverse group. Urchincrawler (talk) 19:45, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I personally find the background rather distracting to be a lede image Iostn (talk) 00:14, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It's the user's own work so it could be edited to blur a little or lessen saturation. Morgueço | Morgueco (he/him) 🦇 🇧🇷 talk • contributions 00:40, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I support this image! It shows diversity within trans women, particularly diversity in race and body type. Some people think only white people can be trans so I think it's important to show trans people as a diverse group, a group containing people from all walks of life. Rosaece ♡ talk ♡ contribs 08:47, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@RoxySaundersYou okay with using Funcrunch's image for the lead? Urchincrawler (talk) 00:24, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It's a good photo, but I still personally prefer C. I would rather we settle the matter via a well-attended !vote in which all these options are presented as a gallery. –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (talk • stalk) 00:39, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Also I made an edit of it with the background blurred and desaturated more to be less distracted per the feedback of @lostn. You can see that here. Urchincrawler (talk) 01:02, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

This edit is definitely an improvement. –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (talk • stalk) 08:56, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I have mixed feelings about it. The crop is better than the original: the composition is better, the technical quality is good, and it involves multiple people without running afoul of the no-galleries provision. I want to be careful how I phrase this: I think this image would be excellent to use in a number of trans-related articles, or perhaps in this article further down the page. However I'm not sure how suitable it is as the lead image in *this* article, as imho it is not typical of trans women in the sense that outside of those working in rights organizations and the like, the majority of trans women are not in the company of lots of other trans women much of the time (and even less on stage). Images in general, and the lead image in particular are not just decoration, they are there to inform. As many viewers may not go past the lead, we should inform well. For the average, non-LGBTQ-savvy first time reader who browses the lead and clicks away, is this the image we want them to take away as what little they know about trans women? Not saying 'no', exactly, but I think we can do better. Mathglot (talk) 00:59, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

One more thing: I would crop about 10% off the right-hand side of the image. There is an unfortunate, top-to-bottom vertical line far right (flagpole, plus mike stand aligned with it) which cuts the composition in two; I would crop out the person wearing the crown, and possibly the one wearing the hat who is compositionally separate from the group and looking away from it. That would leave the five on the left, who form a compositionally cohesive unit. Mathglot (talk) 01:21, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Okidoke. I cropped the image further and uploaded the new version to WikiCommons.

Urchincrawler(talk) 03:53, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Urchincrawler: Especially if your revision of my image ends up being chosen for this page, I request that you upload it as a revision to my original crop rather than a separate file. Funcrunch (talk) 16:48, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Sure thing! Urchincrawler (talk) 16:59, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hey so I just tried to do it but I'm having a problem. I left a message on your talk page to discuss so I can fulfill your request. Thanks! Urchincrawler (talk) 17:08, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It may be because I added your edit to pt:Mulher trans, if that's an issue feel free to ask me to remove it from the page. Morgueço | Morgueco (he/him) 🦇 🇧🇷 talk • contributions 18:27, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@MathglotI think if that's the case then the current lead image isn't fitting either since most of the time trans women aren't protesting with sex chromosomes written on their hand either. Plus there are trans women with other chromosomes than XY since some trans people are also genetically intersex. I think something more casual like this image would be more in line with trans women on an average day to day. (I can do crops/basic background edits to it too if needed.)

Removed since ownership of image is unclear.Urchincrawler (talk) 06:33, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I would caution against using a photo imported from this Flickr account, based on the "About" page's "copyright note":

All photos are found on the internet and rights to these photos may exist. I hold NO claim to them unless otherwise noted and will remove upon request.

Funcrunch (talk) 07:50, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks I didn't realize. Edit: Adding previously mentioned group photo of trans women doing poetry in India here since I don't want to mess up the letter captions

Urchincrawler (talk) 12:11, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Urchincrawler, agreed; I made that point earlier as one of the four reasons I thought C) is suboptimal. And Funcrunch's comment is a deal-breaker for your latest suggested image. Mathglot (talk) 08:20, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I didn't realize the photo wasn't taken by the account owner. I'll look for something similarly casual. Urchincrawler (talk) 12:12, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

How about this one instead?

It was uploaded to Commons by the user herself so it should be ok.

I tried to avoid already well known trans women and just go for a regular person, but if you are okay with a picture of a more known trans woman so long as she in casual clothes then that could further expand our options. Urchincrawler (talk) 12:53, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is probably safer to go with a notable person or group of people for the lead image of a major article like this, than a random trans woman who might suddenly be inundated with transphobic attacks after becoming the face of this (sadly) controversial article.

FWIW, in the group photo I proposed, two of the women and the trans group pictured have articles on Wikipedia: Janetta Johnson, Tita Aida, and El/La Para TransLatinas. As a couple of comments above noted, the range in age, race, and body type are all pluses as well. Funcrunch (talk) 16:57, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Found a third (I guess second if you excuse my blunder with the yellow shirted woman) casual option. It was taken and uploaded by the person in the image. I cropped it since it was originally a before and after HRT photo.

Urchincrawler (talk) 13:18, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not against any of these images being used, but I think for a lead image we could use something more professional (for lack of a better word) than a selfie. Rosaece ♡ talk ♡ contribs 13:32, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. I will probably have to go with a photo of a more known trans woman, but if I find any images meeting that criteria I'll let you know. Urchincrawler (talk) 15:52, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Rosaece

Here are non-selfie but not super dressed up images.

• Photo of an unnamed trans air woman in civilian clothes.

• Photo of Caisa Viksten, Swedish actress and model

• Photo of Alexandra Larsson, IT specialist for the Swedish Armed Forces

• Photo of a unknown trans woman at a "talking books" event telling her story. (This one would need to be cropped at the bottom since "donna" means woman, and a trans woman holding up a woman sign is kinda on the nose.)

• Photo of Karla Avelar, trans human rights activist from El Salvador.

• Photo of Phyllis Frye, a Texas judge

Urchincrawler (talk) 16:43, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Aside from Freya (which I find somewhat on pair) they're all in my opinion inferior to the photo of July with the XY letters on her hand we have currently. Morgueço | Morgueco (he/him) 🦇 🇧🇷 talk • contributions 18:29, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I'd disagree. While we know the hand distortion isn't a result of AI, it could still look that way to a reader. Plus the XY on the hand still excludes some intersex trans women by implication that trans women have XY chromosomes. If there is an image with technical quality, I can blur and/or desaturate the backgrounds. If there are other issues that make these images inferior, please specify. Thanks. (P.S, I added another image option to my previous comment.)

Urchincrawler (talk) 19:32, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I would imagine that choosing a sufficiently broad array of individuals to portray in such a gallery would address your concerns, but at the same time, I can also see how that might one day become a means by which editors who take issue with the existence of trans women could push their agenda in a non-obvious way. In either event, I was unaware of that MOS entry when making my last comment, and would prefer that we maintain that standard here. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:36, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I have no real experience here, but was thinking that the page needed refresh. It looked kinda outdated. Collage representing 4 or 5 transgender women would be the best option Daria Cabaj (talk) 16:43, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

See my response to Roxy above and Rosaece's comment directly below. A gallery, while it might appeal to us, is deprecated by the MOS. And I can certainly understand why the MOS took that route, despite my earlier agreement with the idea. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:01, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, I wasn't aware of that guideline when I made that suggestion. Rosaece ♡ talk ♡ contribs 16:40, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I did read the 2016 RfC about the issue and the problems with a gallery seem mainly to be:

1. Out of national pride, people just want to cram EVERY NOTABLE PERSON EVER in the gallery to show just how great their ethnicity is to have produced so many notable people.[3]

2. Endless discussions about who should and who should not be represented in the gallery, which is exacerbated by point #1. In regards to ethnicity this is specially murky because again, out of a rather misplaced sense national pride, people will want to cram images of young attractive members of the ethnicity and not include the ugly, the old, etc.

3. Again, out of national pride, people would drive out controversial figures to give out a "good" face of their in-group. With only one image, it's easier to agree that a controversial figure shouldn't be the poster face for the entire article.

4. Endless debates about if someone who belongs or not in the group, either because they're of mixed ethnicity or just by appearance alone ("but she doesn't look jewish!").

Frankly I can 100% see all of those happening in this page and I'm against a gallery as well. Morgueço | Morgueco (he/him) 🦇 🇧🇷 talk • contributions 19:42, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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Regarding C, the gal with the raised hand marked with an 'XY' on it: Is anyone here an expert in image manipulation and natural artifacts of photography (such as backlighting effects)? No problem if she's got syndactyly or camptodactyly, but does she? Or is something else going on here? The only thing I can think of is someone taking a panoramic, i.e., the camera is being moved while her hand is simultaneously moving but her face is not. But that is more in the nature of a wild-ass guess, as I am not particularly knowledgeable about such things and would like to hear from someone that is, especially to eliminate the possibility of photoshopping. Alternatively, if it does turn out to be photoshopped, does it matter? Mathglot (talk) 22:18, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I've asked for some assistance with this from the Photography WikiProject. Mathglot (talk) 22:34, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Buzzfeed is not the most reliable source ever, but they have an article on the person behind the photo, who confirms that it's real.[4] Morgueço | Morgueco (he/him) 🦇 🇧🇷 talk • contributions 23:16, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Good find. So I suppose it is some sort of weird photographic effect, then. I'd still like to know what could cause that and hope we get feedback about it because with all the concern about LLMs and faked images, the more we know about real artifacts, the better. In fact, I may port this over to the LLM boards, as I think it is worth discussing there as well. Mathglot (talk) 23:41, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

As this photo was uploaded to Commons in 2007, I doubt AI was used in the image editing. (Large language models (LLMs) are for text, no?) Funcrunch (talk) 23:46, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Mathglot it can't be AI, it got uploaded in 2007 CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 23:46, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Right, dating from 2007 it can't be AI, but it could have been photoshopped (though the acknowledgment by July Schultz seems to exclude that). @Funcrunch: LLM's can make photos and videos as well. Mathglot (talk) 00:45, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Just to nitpick: those aren't LLMs. LLMs generate text (and through it, the illusion of thought). The image generation ones are better known as TTIs, or Text To Image models. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:09, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for that informative correction; I'll be better equipped to use the right terminology now. Mathglot (talk) 00:33, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Someone on Commons pointed out that it's probably Bokeh. – MW_(t•c) 15:42, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Mathglot: I replied over at the wikiproject talk page, but the short answer is: that's probably just an illusion caused by her hand being out of focus. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:06, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to put this forward. Professional image from the same contest as option A, but with less focus on the dress. Not explicitly political or sexualized. Arguably still has the "20 pounds of makeup" issue, but other than that it seems like a good compromise. – MW_(t•c) 15:54, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

By "this", you are referring to image N, I believe. Mathglot (talk) 23:44, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

There are many recent images added; they are pushing some earlier images out of alignment with the corresponding text they were previously floated next to. As a start, I have added letter captions, but most (or all) of them should be moved to a gallery. Mathglot (talk) 23:34, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah it's quite cluttered. I think we should do a vote tomorrow on what we are going with and maybe put out a "last call" for any more images so we can resolve this. Urchincrawler (talk) 00:03, 8 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect Gay trans woman has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2026 February 1 § Trans gay until a consensus is reached. Abesca (talk) 19:09, 1 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, when I read the sentence "Trans women also transition medically through gender-affirming medical treatment, in order to develop female sexual characteristics.", it sounds like it's saying that all trans women transition medically. For added clarity and to maintain a more NPOV, I believe that there should be a qualifier in the sentence that clarifies that not all trans women transition medically, something like "Trans women often transition medically...".

I made an edit to this section, where I added to the sentence "Many trans women also transition medically...", however shortly afterwards this edit was reverted by Snokalok with the reason "I really don’t think this makes it easier for readers to understand". However, I personally believe that this change makes it easier for readers to understand.

There are other sentences within the same paragraph which use a similar qualifier to what I suggested, like "Trans women often adopt a more feminine gender expression...", "Trans women generally use she/her pronouns." and "Some also undergo feminizing surgeries...". These qualifiers do a good job at demonstrating that not all trans women will adopt a feminine gender expression, or use she/her pronouns, or undergo feminizing surgeries. So why is this wording not also applied to the medical transition sentence?

I would like to discuss this further and hear what other editors think. AnotherAnonUsername (talk) 03:39, 4 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It is odd how that sentence is the only one stated in absolute terms. Breaking down the paragraph:

• As part of social transition, trans women often adopt a more feminine gender expression with the goal of being perceived as female, for example taking on a new name, hairstyle, clothing style, and voice which affirm one's identity.
• Trans women generally use she/her pronouns.
• Trans women also transition medically through gender-affirming medical treatment, in order to develop feminine sexual characteristics. A major component of this is feminizing hormone therapy, which causes the development of breasts.
• Some also undergo feminizing surgeries, including breast augmentation, facial feminization, vocal feminization, and vaginoplasty. Relatively few transgender people are able to access surgery, due to legal and financial obstacles.

In context this difference does give the implication that all trans women transition medically, which is clearly incorrect. --Aquillion (talk) 15:25, 4 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It has been my experience that when I read an academic work which makes such an absolute statement that the qualifier "usually" or "most" or "many" is implied. Indeed, those absolute terms are the more common way of speaking. E.g., "African Americans have broader noses than European-Americans," would be widely seen as a true statement. And of course, the first sentence of this comment is a true statement, even though one would insert 'usually' into both of them to be more precise.

That being said, I would prefer to be more precise. Especially given the fact that it is not an overwhelming majority of trans women who transition, even socially. My best friend is a trans woman, who goes by her dead name and masculine pronouns for work, for example (though she is transitioning medically). Another close friend of mine is out, but still 'boy modes' for her reserve obligations (soon coming to an end despite her stellar service record and immaculate qualifications) as well as her day job, even though everyone is aware of her identity. I know a large number of trans women with no plans to get bottom surgery, or to start HRT.

So I do believe it is important for us to add qualifiers to these statements. I'll make this change again and we'll see if I get reverted, as well. If so, I'd ask @Snokalok: to kindly make an argument for their case here. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 17:54, 4 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed on the change to less absolute terms. But respectfully, I don't think we should be using our anecdotal experience to back up statements like the fact that it is not an overwhelming majority of trans women who transition, even socially, even on a talk page. I am trans myself, and am acquainted with many trans women (as well as trans men and nonbinary people), but I would not presume to know what percentage of folks transition based on this. Funcrunch (talk) 18:25, 4 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The fact is based upon data from the 2015 US Transgender survey, which indicated that about 62% of trans people were living full time as their preferred gender and defined that as 'transitioning'.

The anecdote was there to illustrate the fact, not to establish it. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 21:36, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Understood, though if you had mentioned that report as the source of your knowledge in the first place I wouldn't have voiced my objection. :-) (A newer survey was conducted in 2022, but the full results/analysis haven't been published yet.) Funcrunch (talk) 23:17, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, fair point. I hope my reply didn't sound bitter or anything. I definitely saw why my message could have been read that way. :)

I was aware of the 2022 survey, and I'm looking forward to full publication. I'm also looking forward to the next big one. From what I've heard (anecdotally, this time) from numerous people, 2020 was a year in which a lot of trans people realized who they really were during the lockdown, and I've been following the science and statistics around the trans community since I first learned of the existence of trans people as a group, back around the turn of the millennium. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 02:37, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Also FWIW, I read the survey results as a bit more nuanced than your summary. From page 47, under the section a. Full-Time Status and Transition:

Nearly two-thirds (62%) of respondents were currently living full time in a gender that was different from the one on their original birth certificate. [...] Twenty-two percent (22%) of respondents reported that they wanted to transition someday, 13% were unsure, and 3% did not want to transition.

Funcrunch (talk) 23:22, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be honest, a lot of my thought process was in making sure that WP in particular and I more generally, aren't saying things that would invalidate the identities of transgender people who are not transitioning. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 03:01, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. When I translated the introductory section to the portuguese article at pt:Mulher trans (which aside from it is in a horrible shape still) I purposefully put much less emphasis on medical transition than this Wikipedia did. I think listing all procedures a trans woman may take right in the lead of the article is very unnecessary and nudges towards a pro-transmedical agenda. Morgueço | Morgueco (he/him) 🦇 🇧🇷 talk • contributions 19:48, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It simply reads:

Mulheres trans também podem transicionar por meios médicos, como hormonização ou cirurgias, para desenvolver características sexuais femininas.

(Trans women may also transition through medical means, such as hormones or surgeries, to develop female sexual characteristics). Morgueço | Morgueco (he/him) 🦇 🇧🇷 talk • contributions 19:49, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

As far as the lead goes, I think that's plenty of detail. I'd be happy to trim it down to that. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 22:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't know which picture to choose, pick this one😁 Daria Cabaj (talk) 17:54, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, that's a little too much "sexy trans woman" element (and could cause readers to lean into stereotypes). It's a nice photo... but I don't really think it's what we should be going for. Historyday01 (talk) 19:07, 5 February 2026 (UTC) Update: Considering RoxySanders post about involving A.I., I 100% oppose this image being added to this page. Also, it appears to be a self-portait of the user... not sure we should be putting that on pages on here.--Historyday01 (talk) 01:43, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Daria Cabaj Your proposed image appears to involve AI somehow (namely, the EXIF data attributes it to ChatGPT 4o, an application which uses the same output resolution 1024x1536). While the Wikipedia community does not outright forbid the use of generative AI, it is generally expected that you disclose and accurately describe your use of such tools, to avoid misleading people. Please see WP:Artificial intelligence and c:Commons:AI-generated media to learn more. –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (talk • stalk) 20:12, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It was enhanced. Sorry, I wanted to look more sexy. I will not upload anything else Daria Cabaj (talk) 21:13, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, that is bad. Well that is another reason to say no to it. I still remember that one LGBTQ+ page where a user added hallucinated sources recently. It was BAD. I even challenged the user about their sources at the time. Historyday01 (talk) 01:38, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify: the image was lightly enhanced using standard photo-editing tools (similar to Photoshop or Remini), limited to minor cosmetic adjustments such as reducing small wrinkles.

No generative AI was used, and the image content itself was not altered or fabricated.

I understand the concerns around AI-generated media, which is why I want to be clear about the editing process used here. Daria Cabaj (talk) 20:54, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Continued at Talk:Transsexual#Image added by User:Daria Cabaj. –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (talk • stalk) 08:58, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It should be noted under the Entertainment category that Kim Petras is credited as the first openly trans woman to receive a Grammy award. ~2026-86079-5 (talk) 20:17, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want made. Also, there is no "Entertainment" section in the article. Day Creature (talk) 23:01, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

They probably meant the "Media representation" section. I found a source:

https://www.erudit.org/en/journals/atlantis/2024-v45-n2-atlantis09693/1114715ar/ Morgueço | Morgueco (he/him) 🦇 🇧🇷 talk • contributions 23:53, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

From the discussion, I gather that the aim is for a professional looking photo of a transgender woman who is in casual to semi-formal clothing and known publically (ie. not some random trans person). There has also been interest in a group photo showing a variety of trans women if available. Not all images listed meet every criteria, some meet more than others.

Selfies/groupies of not publically known trans women have been removed per safety concerns and lack of interest during discussion (with the exception of the one from the U.S military since it says she is serving openly and it was originally hosted publically on a news story on the U.S Airforce website). I have a couple more professional looking images of known trans women, so thankfully the rest of the image order will be the same as the discussion caption

Notes

1. I am willing to do basic edits like crops and blurring/desaturating the background, but nothing major like altering the person's appearance or changing the setting entitely.

2. Once we decide, please make decisions based on what would be best educationally. Do not get hung up on "this person looks too masculine", "this person looks too feminine", "this person is too young/old", etc. We don't want to fall into calling someone the "wrong kind" of trans woman or anything with that energy.

To facilitate discussion, I am keeping a gallery of suggested images here with letters in the caption each corresponding to a matching image description.

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• A -Mela Franco Habijan from Miss Trans Global 2020

File:Trans Global 2020 Official Shoot.jpg – A

• B - Actress Rikkie Kollé during an interview.

File:Cast Interviews Hide My Love Paul Morris 1-7 screenshot.png – B

• C- Transgender activist July Schultz (no wikipedia page) at a demonstration in Paris.

File:TransgenreatParis2005.JPG – C

• D - Janetta Johnson of the TGI Justice Project, accompanied by trans activist Tita Aida and members of El/La Para TransLatinas at the 2016 San Francisco Trans March

File:Trans women at San Francisco Trans March 2016 (cropped).jpg – D

• E - Lenka Kralova, a Czech transgender activist, software developer, and host of an online talk show (not to be confused with the Czech publicist of the same name). She has a page about her on Czech Wikipedia but not English Wikipedia.

File:Lenka Kralova Profil.jpg – E

• F - Lynn Bertholet, transgender woman, photo-model and activist, co-founder and president of the association ÉPICÈNE headquartered in Geneva, Switzerland.:: File:Lynn bertholet 002-Wikipédia.jpg – F
• G - Leigh Finke, member of the Minnesota Legislature

File:Finke at Protecting Transgender Minnesotans' Rights Bill Signing (cropped).jpg – G

• H - Senior Airman Rachel Hammes, an openly serving trans woman for the U.S Air Force.

File:Woman looking out window (cropped).jpg – H

• I - Photo of Caisa Viksten, Swedish actress and model. No Wikipedia article but does have a user page on Swedish Wikipedia where she also has this image publically posted to her profile. She was last active on Wikipedia in 2016.

File:Face - Caisa.jpg – I

• J - Photo of Alexandra Larsson, IT specialist for the Swedish Armed Forces.

File:Alexandra Larsson.jpg – J

• K - Lilit Martirosyan, Armenian transgender rights activist.

File:Lilit-Martirosyan.jpg – K

• L - Photo of Karla Avelar, trans human rights activist from El Salvador.Texas judge

File:Diversity in Adversity Karla Avelar, El Salvador 0-2 screenshot (cropped).png – L

• M - Texas judge Phyllis Frye

File:Phyllis Frye at Age 60.jpg – M

• N - Piano Sarocha Akaros, Miss Trans Global 2023 winner from Thailand

File:Piano Sarocha Akaraos Miss Trans Global 2023 Winner - 02.jpg – N

If you have any further suggested images, add them here using the next letter. Urchincrawler (talk) 02:25, 8 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The layout of this page is currently very confusing, with both the top and bottom referencing "A", "B", etc. and images extending fully up and down the right part of the page. If you're going to reference specific images, I'd recommend using a {{clear}} before this section heading and gallery tags within to ensure you can display all of the images you're referencing this section. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 02:50, 8 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

You're free to do so. I'm on my cellphone so it makes formatting for desktop users difficult. I don't really know how gallery tags work either since this is my first attempt. Urchincrawler (talk) 02:54, 8 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Redid the gallery code; hope youi're okay wit it. Mathglot (talk) 08:22, 8 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much! Urchincrawler (talk) 15:49, 8 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

• I collapsed the two galleries into a single one. Not sure what the purpose for using two was, other than to make the line break at a certain point, but it ended up looking quite wonky at a couple different browser widths. If there's another reason for doing so, I'm open to being reverted. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:14, 9 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]