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Hello,

I do not understand the reason why you do not accept Todorović, which is a junior and cousin branch of the Branković dynasty, while you do accept Mladić. I have provided the sources directly, including the website containing the genealogical documents that confirm their descent from the Branković family.

In that case, the Mladić entry should also be removed, as it relies on the same source and the same genealogical author, Petar Aškraba. I therefore respectfully ask you to reconsider your decision, which I find unfair to readers. ~2026-28727-4 (talk) 10:18, 14 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

If I have read carefully the article that was deleted on sr:wiki (and incidentally Draft:House of Todorović), the "title of duke" of a member of the "House of Todorović" was received in 2025, is that it?

Here's the link to the history of the talk page of the deleted article : link, when one can read :

« Од кога је примио титулу војводе? Од једине краљевске куће није, јер Карађорђевићи кажу: „После смрти блаженопочившег Краља Петра II ниједна титула није била додељена било коме.” и „Пошто је Круна једини извор свих почасти Краљевске породице, ниједна титула нити ранг немају ваљаност уколико нису одобрени од стране Старешине Краљевске породице." »

« From whom did he receive the title of duke? Not from the only royal house, because the Karađorđević dynasty says: “After the death of the late King Peter II, no titles have been bestowed upon anyone.” and “Since the Crown is the sole source of all honors of the Royal Family, no title or rank has validity unless it has been approved by the Head of the Royal Family." »

There is another discussion here:

« један извор је фан-фикција, написана од стране самопрогрлашеног војводе: "Тодоровић : Бог и Вера Породична књига идентитета собства, хералдике грбова и части Тодоровића из Вољевци код Малог Зворника."

Сви остали само потврђују да неки Тодоровићи су дуго живели у селу Вољевци, нема никакве историје да је породица постојала као племићка до пре пар дана. Грбови нису никакви историјски, плаћен је дизајнер из Бразила. »

« One source is fan fiction, written by a self-proclaimed duke: “Todorović: God and Faith Family Book of Identity, Ownership, Heraldry of Coats of Arms, and Honor of the Todorović Family from Voljevci near Mali Zvornik.”

All the others only confirm that some Todorovićs have long lived in the village of Voljevci; there is no history of the family having existed as nobility until a few days ago. The coats of arms are not historical; a designer from Brazil was paid. »

https://www.behance.net/Luciux?locale=fr_FR

Ultimately, a personal website, such as https://houseoftodorovic.org, is not a valid source on wikipedia. -Kontributor 2K 14:08, 14 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hi!

As far as I know, he received his title through Prince Vuk Vujović of the Vojinović dynasty. The heraldist is a descendant of the Michalowski house. The Todorović of Voljevci have learned that they descend from the Mladenović house following the genealogical report by Petar Aškraba, a specialist in genealogy and patronymics. All these sources (documents) are available on their website.

As for the Karađorđević, they have no authority, since Serbia is a non-monarchic country. They grant titles only to houses they themselves founded or to those founded by their ally Grujić.

Therefore, Wikipedia is not a reliable source, especially considering that in the case of Mladić, you leave questionable information online—an odd way of proceeding. Malicovekiz (talk) 17:33, 14 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

For the book you mentioned, it is not fan fiction (you are judging a book without having read it).

It compiles the history of the Todorović family, their genealogical tree, their decrees, and their recognitions.

Regarding Taffarel, I would like to return to this subject. He is a young heraldist of Polish origin living in Brazil, descendant of the Michalowski family. The evidence (archives) is indeed present.

The problem is not a question of sources, since the website itself contains sources; it is simply an attempt to erase or suppress. The question remains: why keep Mladić, who is related to the Todorović, shares the same haplogroup, and is fully documented in the book Srbija by Petar Aškraba Zagorski (ISBN 978-99938-94-12-4)?

To return to the subject: it is Mr. Petar in his patronymic report addressed to Mr. Zvonko Todorović who clearly mentions a familial link with Mladić, themselves descended from the Mladenović, a brother of Duke Mladen (or possibly from him or a forgotten son), and related to the Branković through the Todorović and Mladić families.

Moreover, his title has been recognized by the House of Soutzos, the Michalowski family in Brazil, the Jugović and Vojinović houses, as well as by other English and German nobility.

As far as I know, he does not seek to reign or hold power.

Furthermore, the Branković specialist, Mr. Živojin Andrejić, does not reject the Todorović from the Branković genealogical tree; he considers this family as a distinct branch separated since the Middle Ages. Malicovekiz (talk) 19:38, 14 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

In conclusion, Zvonko Todorović has never publicly or privately self-proclaimed as a duke. This title was granted to him by certain nobles, and most importantly by the fons honorum of the House of Vojinović, a dynasty older than that of the Karađorđevićs.

I repeat once again: do not judge a book or a person without having engaged with them. Since 2025, the House of Todorović has been founded, exists, and is reconnecting with its origins. Importantly, it is recognized, and certain families are aware of it and do not oppose it.

Thank you, and have a good evening. Malicovekiz (talk) 19:49, 14 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I’m coming back because I have finished reading your message.

No heraldist will create a coat of arms for free, neither in France nor in Serbia.

And I even think I can say “found” or rather “revive” it.

The coat of arms is created according to the owner’s wishes, not simply copied and pasted.

If I’m coming back, it’s because I missed some of your previous messages. Malicovekiz (talk) 20:16, 14 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]