User talk:Balash-Vologases

Clarification and Preservation of Sindhi Identity in Talpur Dynasty Article

Dear Balash-Vologases,

I am writing to address concerns regarding the representation of the Talpur Dynasty in the article and to clarify their identity as an assimilated Sindhi tribe. The Talpurs are undeniably Sindhi Baloch, meaning they are Baloch who have been historically settled in Sindh. This distinction is essential in accurately portraying their lineage, culture, and historical role in Sindh.

It has come to my attention that attempts have been made to excessively Persianize the narrative of the Talpur Dynasty. However, it is imperative to acknowledge that Talpur history is deeply intertwined with the history of Sindh itself. The linguistic and cultural identity of the Talpurs should not be distorted. Having studied numerous historical and native texts regarding the Talpurs, I can confidently assert that their identity remains intrinsically Sindhi. Furthermore, I personally know direct descendants of the Sohrabani and Mankani Talpurs, who take immense pride in identifying themselves as Sindhi.

While it is true that dynasties such as the Samma and Soomro had Arabic and Persian as their court languages, their primary linguistic and cultural affinity remained Sindhi. The same applies to the Talpurs, who, despite administrative use of Persian, were native Sindhi speakers. The preservation of this historical truth is essential to maintaining the accuracy and integrity of Sindhi history.

I sincerely hope we can reach a mutual understanding and put an end to any unnecessary disputes over edits. The representation of historical facts should remain impartial and respectful of the documented heritage of Sindh. I appreciate your time and consideration in ensuring that the Talpur Dynasty is presented with historical accuracy and cultural authenticity.

Thank you very much.

Sincerely,

Shah Jafer Shah Jafer (talk) 02:41, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

April 2025

Information icon Hello, I'm Cordless Larry. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Baloch in the United Kingdom, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:53, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have significant and growing concerns about this article. One of the sources you cited was p. 48 of this book, which makes no mention of Baloch people. What's going on here? Cordless Larry (talk) 15:54, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The majority of Baloch in Britain speak Balochi as their mother tongue
on page 9[1] Balash-Vologases (talk) 10:12, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Page 9 of that source says nothing of the sort. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:40, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In the source, Baloch is bundled with other ethnicities of Pakistan who migrated to UK and are not presented separately.
on page 7: Pakistanis encompass a number of distinct regional and linguistic groups including Pathans, Punjabis, Mirpuris, Sindhis and Balochis
on page 9: Other main languages and dialects include Pashto, Sindhi, Saraiki and Balochi. Young people communicate mostly in English.
page 41: Other main languages include Pashto, Sindhi, Saraiki and Balochi.
Also you added the tag of No original research for : The Baloch community in the United Kingdom is a vibrant diaspora that has been actively involved in cultural, social, and political advocacy.
There are sufficient sources to verify the accuracy of the text.[2][3][4]
If you are concerned about the population, please remove the unsourced figure. Balash-Vologases (talk) 10:04, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
None of those statements establish that "the majority of Baloch in Britain speak Balochi as their mother tongue" (and the source you've cited for that statement is in fact this one, which also doesn't support the statement). On the "vibrant diaspora" point, you'd need a secondary source that supports that statement, not some examples that you think together demonstrate vibrancy, because that involves your interpretation, which is original research. On the population figures, it's not my responsibility to find and fix your mistakes; the onus is on you to make sure that the information you add is supported by the sources you're citing. I'm going to revert your edits and suggest that you add the material back as and when you carefully check the sources to establish that they support it. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:31, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You deleted the article completely!! I hope the moderators decide whether deleting the entire article is warranted! Balash-Vologases (talk) 12:44, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia doesn't have moderators and the article hasn't been deleted. I reverted your edits to Baloch diaspora and redirected Baloch in the United Kingdom to the former; all of your edits remain in the relevant article histories and can be restored as and when you're willing to reference them properly. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:09, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I'll write off and modified the article properly. Balash-Vologases (talk) 15:50, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also in the article Baloch diaspora Australian Baloch and Khorasani Baloch and Persian Gulf Countries have been removed, but those parts of the article were sourced. Balash-Vologases (talk) 15:54, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
May I revert the article to this edit : https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baloch_diaspora&oldid=1284799487 Balash-Vologases (talk) 15:55, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That contains the figure of 3,000 for the UK, which you concede below isn't supported by the source, and a completely unsourced figure of 2,500 for the US, so no. Please only restore what you can support with reliable sources. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:17, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And where in the source you cited for the UK here did you get the population figure of 3,000? I don't see that figure in the source. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:27, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The same goes for the figure for Sweden. The source you've cited mentions Sweden but doesn't give a population figure. Are you making these up? Cordless Larry (talk) 18:39, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I just checked the citation, and you're right - it doesn't say that. But I don't add personal commentary, I probably forgot to cite the correct source, or mixed something up with another source by accident. Thank you for letting me know. I'll add the correct source. Balash-Vologases (talk) 09:30, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've reverted these edits because they re-added unsourced material. What's the source for the claim that "Estimates suggest that the Baloch community in London numbers in the thousands, though an exact figure is not available", for instance, or that "Many Baloch Americans work at nonprofits, information technology companies and in the public sector"? Cordless Larry (talk) 17:26, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Mir Fateh Ali Khan Talpur, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Baloch.

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