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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 19:39, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Subject has no fights for even a second tier MMA organization and only 3 fights overall. Clearly does not meet WP:MMANOT. Papaursa (talk) 03:40, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Papaursa (talk) 03:40, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete As per nom.Peter Rehse (talk) 04:34, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Per nom. --LlamaAl (talk) 22:01, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep notable via WP:REALITYSTAR. Isaac won an Indian reality show a few months ago, as well as Manjit Kolekar. Pound4Pound (talk)

• Delete Not notable...and WP:REALITYSTAR was a failed guidline by the way. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 02:10, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well he has won a popular reality show none the less, so what notability criteria can be used to support notability? Pound4Pound (talk) 14:00, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Updates made to page Including name change, added in information over most recent fight, and sources from India's biggest newspaper covering the event. Pound4Pound (talk) 14:24, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also I will be bringing forward on WP:MMANOT about classing the Super Fight League for second tier status very soon if anyone is interested in joining the topic Pound4Pound (talk) 14:39, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Not notable as an MMA fighter. Even if SFL is classified as second tier, he's not close to meeting WP:MMANOT. The reality he show he won was an MMA show--if winning The Ultimate Fighter doesn't grant notability (and consensus says it doesn't), then how can winning a much less significant competition do it? Mdtemp (talk) 14:47, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is still a reality show, and he did win it, if it was sometime like Big Brother then no-one would dispute it, so what difference does make if it was a MMA reality show? The Ultimate Fighter is a notable reality show for MMA, as it airs on FX and has masses of viewers watching every season. The show was popular in India and because of this I believe that this debate should also be included in a reality show-related deletion discussion, so that a clearer view can be made. the same for Manjit Kolekar as well. If the Super Fight League does get to be a second tier promotion, then it adds strength to it if anything as even the nominator says it like fighting for a second tier promotion means something towards notability - "Subject has no fights for even a second tier MMA organization and only 3 fights overall." I will be bringing up the debate on WT:MMANOT right now so if anyone wants to join in, they can do so. Pound4Pound (talk) 22:52, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also, even though it was a failed guideline proposal, it does state at the top of the page, and I quote "This guideline is not Wikipedia policy; however, these criteria are considered a fair test of whether a Reality Television participant merits an article at Wikipedia." So because of this, to say that Isaac is notable can be considered a fair view based on his TV success.

• Delete - Fails both WP:NMMA and WP:MMANOT. Kevlar (talk) 02:59, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:19, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Fails notability. -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 19:48, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Per nom. Beansy (talk) 01:09, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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