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Nominator: Gerda Arendt (talk · contribs) 20:46, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Jens Lallensack (talk · contribs) 15:52, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the review. I'll give a quick attention to the things I can fix easily. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:22, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• which is still popular – means that these cantatas are still popular, or the way to write the cantatas is still popular? Also, can you give me a pointer where this is mentioned in the source (source 5 I assume?)

  "a chorale in four stanzas, which is still popular" - not a cantata, but the hymn on which it is based. This is an exception. Most of Bach's 40 chorale cantatas are based on hymns that are not in current use in congregational singing let alone "popular", but this one is, not only printed in current hymnals both Protestant and Catholic, but actually sung. Call it OR ;) - I could reference to the hymnals that it is current if you prefer. --GA

  Yeah obviously, OR is not allowed in Wikipedia; if it is OR, it needs to be fixed. I am still confused about the meaning though; is this the same as the hymn mentioned in the lead? If so, it would be much clearer if you stick with one term (either hymn or chorale), otherwise the reader will assume you are referring to two separate things. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 17:43, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Well, I try to avoid to use both terms both times. Too say that a chorale cantata is based on a chorale seems not to say much at all, also "hymn" seems the word people would know better. - I'll drop the "popular" for now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:52, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Just checking, but what makes the Bach Cantatas website a high-quality reliable source? Is the webmaster a recognized expert?

  This is the website with the best detail about recordings, up to individual orchestra players' names. When the articles on Bach's cantatas began, the recordings section was practically copied from it. (2009 example) I try to use it only for recordings. On FA level, I have to find other solutions. --GA

  WP:RS is a WP-wide policy, I don't think it makes a difference if we are at GAN or FAC. However, I found that the webpage is used as a data source in a highly reputable scholarly paper [1], which I think is sufficient evidence that the source is reliable to list those records. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 17:43, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Leipzig, Prussia – need links in the main text

  Leipzig done, - not sure for Prussia right after "Duke of Prussia". Whoever doesn't know where Prussia was can be sure to find it under the person, with context even, no? --GA

• I would have expected a weblink to a recording (Youtube video or similar?), that can be useful to give the reader an impression.

  [2] added --GA

• Bach structured Was mein Gott will, das g'scheh allzeit in six movements – can we link "movements"? Also "continuo", no idea what that is. And "measures".

  movements done, as in lead - "continuo" is the usual short form of "basso continuo", linked just above - I have a problem with measure because it's the American word for bar, - I should use the English but find it too ambiguous ;) --GA

  So any reason we cannot link "measure" to the article Bar (music)?

  I thought I just explained that it would be an easteregg. I can link bar to bar (music), but also explained why I didn't. I fixed it, though ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:10, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• The movements table is also a bit above my head; what, for example, does "Winds" mean?

  wind instruments, those into which you blow wind to get sounds --GA

• unchanged, which Bach treated – this sentence is broken/starts from nothing.

  tried to fix, please check --GA

• In the last table, what does "Period" mean under Instruments?

  good point, - I failed to copy the sentence of explanation on top --GA

• topic of the Christian's acceptance of God's will – any article to link this to so that the reader can learn what that means?

  I thought that it was self-explanatory, and is the first line of the hymn (and cantata) even: accept that things should always happen according to God's will (not the singer's will). Perhaps read the article about the hymn which is linked. Anything we should take over from there perhaps. --GA

  Well do do not need to explain that to me; I am rather concerned that some readers, especially those that are not into religion or have other religions, would appreciate a link. Maybe linking to Will of God would do? --Jens Lallensack (talk) 17:43, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  taken --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:10, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Other than that, this seems to be a good and solid work. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 15:52, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Things easily fixed done, others at least discussed, happy listening to the music! (If you click on "more" there, you can access all movements individually.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:00, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @Gerda Arendt: Please see above for a few replies, thanks. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 17:43, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks again, this looks good now. Congrats! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 18:13, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]