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I think the Red Crescent Society has been known to use "medical" immunity to transport terrorists and weapons, and has lied about events in order to slander Israel.

MSTCrow 02:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You think ??? Good for you, but do you have any reliable non-propagandist sources to confirm this slander against the Palestine Red Crescent Society ? --Moumine70 (talk) 15:14, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Moumine70 and MSTCrow, How about here [1] and here [2] ? Try googling that as there are many...many... many more. Even have videos.--Degen Earthfast (talk) 16:51, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Plus

Here [3]

here [4] A WHO document especially

" WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION FIFTY-SIXTH WORLD HEALTH ASSEMBLY A56/INF.DOC./6 Provisional agenda item 19 16 May 2003

14. There have been several proven cases of misuse of Palestinian ambulances to transport ammunition or explosive belts or to transfer terrorists."

here [5] --Degen Earthfast (talk) 17:02, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12]

AND, what are "reliable non-propagandist sources" to you? WHo would be acceptable to you?--Degen Earthfast (talk) 17:16, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WHO would definitely be acceptable. BUT all Palestinian ambulances do not belong to PRCS. There are private ambulances as well, or ambulances belonging to the Ministry of Health or to hospitals. So we must just be careful not to mix up everything. §35 p. 8-9 in WHO Report is ok. --Moumine70 (talk) 14:11, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You mean "WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION FIFTY-SIXTH WORLD HEALTH ASSEMBLY A56/INF.DOC./6 Provisional agenda item 19 16 May 2003 #35. The Red Crescent closely cooperated with the MDA until April 2002. At that time, the IDF found that Red Crescent ambulances were being used to carry terrorists."--Degen Earthfast (talk) 16:45, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As a medic I abhor any violation of the sanctity and neutrality of Medical facilities/vehicles/personnel.--Degen Earthfast (talk) 16:45, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As a Wikipedian I abhor any soapboxing (WP:SOAP). This information is already included in the article. Be careful not to add more weight that is due (WP:UNDUE). Note also "the IDF found" means the Israel Defense Forces is making this claim. Whether its true or not is another story. Tiamut^talk 18:23, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Deleted a line stating the movement is a recognised terrorist organisation linked to Al-Qaeda. I suspect it was added by vandal. Logically, a movement recognised by the International Red Cross couldn't be also a recognised terrorist organisation.

Are you on crack?--71.246.30.208 (talk) 10:30, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"There have been several proven cases of misuse of Palestinian ambulances to transport ammunition or explosive belts or to transfer terrorists."

Who is saying this? Can a link be provided for this information? Tiamut^talk 20:18, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Try this "WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION FIFTY-SIXTH WORLD HEALTH ASSEMBLY A56/INF.DOC./6 Provisional agenda item 19 16 May 2003 #14 and #35" See here [13]--209.213.220.227 (talk) 12:57, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. The speaker in this case in the Israeli Ministry of Health. That is why I added "According to Israeli sources" to the beginning of the sentence. I also removed you addition of this:

Both statements which are countered by the World Health Organization in their [14] WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION FIFTY-SIXTH WORLD HEALTH ASSEMBLY A56/INF.DOC./6 Provisional agenda item 19 16 May 2003 #14 There have been several proven cases of misuse of Palestinian ambulances to transport ammunition or explosive belts or to transfer terrorists ,and #35. The Red Crescent closely cooperated with the MDA until April 2002. At that time, the IDF found that Red Crescent ambulances were being used to carry terrorists. The Red Crescent personnel involved in this violation were interrogated. The Red Crescent officials were insulted and protested that the MDA did not defend them before the IDF. As a result, the Red Crescent stopped cooperating with the MDA.

A 2003 report cannot counter a 2009 report. Again, the speaker is the Israeli Minsitry of Health. Tiamut^talk 19:26, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Degen Earthfast, please self-revert these edits. The speaker is the Israeli Ministry of Health, not the WHO. An equivalent example would be a report from the UN security Council proceedings where the speaker is Sudan, but we say only the UNSC said this ... Its misleading and wrong. Please self-revert. Tiamut^talk 07:52, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I did it. Tiamut is quite correct. This is a purely Israeli report which has no WHO support at all indicated in that document. An "agenda item" is something proposed for discussion, not something that has been approved. Zero^talk 08:37, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Zero. I've tried explaining it a couple of times now. I hope that Degen Earthfast and the IP editor who keep re-adding it will stop now that another editor has explained in a different way. Happy editing. Tiamut^talk 08:50, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed this:

The result has been an uneasy peace between EMS staff on both sides. Any MDA or Red Crescent ambulance will respond to any emergency if required, and will usually hand off care to the other, when appropriate. The atmosphere is reported to be ‘professional and polite’ but ‘without any smiles or handshaking’.^{[citation needed]}

If someone has a source that would be good. Tiamut^talk 09:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• [15], [16], [17]
• Thank User:Nableezy, and do make good use of them. Tiamut^talk 10:48, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]