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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:32, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Paul McDonald (musician) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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How important is American Idol? This person finished eighth. In addition, they're in a band that sold 9000 copies of a self-released album (and wouldn't be notable by our standards). Their appearance on Idol is likely to be reliably references, but that begs the question of whether that makes this guy notable: the possible plethora of mentions in TV guides and gossip magazines related to Idol is not evidence of real-life notability, and the article and the man's career seem to indicate a lack of real-life notability. Drmies (talk) 20:23, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete with less than 10,000 records the artist fails wp:music--Jeffrd10 (talk) 21:23, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to American Idol (season 10)#Finalists At the very least his marriage to Nikki Reed gives him just the barest notability, but outright deletion of him from here isn't needed. Nate • (chatter) 03:29, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Change to keep Alright, I'm convinced; sources have been found, taking this from thinly-sourced to well-sourced. Nate • (chatter) 13:26, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Alabama-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:20, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Tennessee-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:20, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:20, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached, per Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2014_March_31.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 01:54, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I do agree with the DR relist on this mainly on the grounds that it should've had a re-list back when it was up here at first. However, my RD rationale stands despite the added sources coming in since the subject's divorce (which does need to be updated in the article itself). However, I am apt to changing my mind if a new consensus or more good sourcing comes in. Nate • (chatter) 02:58, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• What kind of sourcing would help you change your mind? --Jpcase (talk) 03:08, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep (Vote from Deletion Review nominator) - I don't feel that there's any reason for this article to be deleted or redirected. It can be sourced with a lot more than just "TV guides and magazines". Here's just a small sampling of the countless professional, independent sources that have covered McDonald:

• USA Today - [1], [2]

• Nashville Business Journal [3]

• MTV [4], [5]

• OK Magazine [6]

• New York Daily News [7], [8]

• Huntsville Times [9]

• People Magazine [10], [11], [12]

• Entertainment Weekly - [13], [14], [15]

• TVLine.com - [16], [17], [18]

• Yahoo! Music - [19], [20], [21]

• The Hollywood Reporter - [22], [23], [24]

• Los Angeles Times - [25]

• Fox News - [26]

--Jpcase (talk) 03:24, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I should note that this article doesn't actually fail WP:MUSIC. I don't know which criteria Jeffrd10 was referencing, but none of them say that an artist has to sell a certain number of albums in order to be notable. In fact, an artist doesn't even have to meet every single one of the criteria in order to have an article. My understanding is that a person really only has to meet the first criteria, which is basically the same as the general notability guidelines. As I've demonstrated above, McDonald meets this many times over. However, he also meets criteria #2, #4, #9, #10, #12, and possibly #6. --Jpcase (talk) 03:32, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Unlike many finalists who have come and gone never to be heard from again, there seems to be a fair amount of coverage on this person's post-Idol career, from recording a single with Reed to his plans to write a song for Twilight to having a song premiere on an episode of Parenthood to recording an EPwith Reed to opening for Hanson on tour. In my view, there is enough material to meet WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO.  Gongshow   talk 07:03, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - The subject passes WP:BASIC and has received post-American Idol coverage in reliable sources, thus not failing WP:BLP1E. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:04, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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