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This article has been deleted before as the subject doesn’t meet WP:GNG. The subject has done nothing in the meantime that makes the subject meet that threshold now. He doesn’t meet the relevant SNG. Tvx1 19:48, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Motorsport. Tvx1 19:48, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep (article creator). I never read the old version of the article, but from my understanding of the AfD, it was very sloppeley. The current state of the article meets WP:GNG, as it has three reliable, independent, and reliable sources: Reference 3 [1] Reference 8 [2], Reference 10 [3], and Reference 11 [4]. Further, Reference 2 [5] and Reference 4 [6] are both independent and reliable, but are simply announcements. I would be willing to elaborate or clarify if needed. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 20:03, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  References 8 and 10 are WP:ROUTINE coverage and Reference 11 is scant at best. I have, however, found these: [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12]. Seems that coming from two obscure (racing) countries is of great help for SIGCOV. MSport1005 (talk) 21:04, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Thank you, I probably wouldn't of been able to find these myself. Implementing some of them now. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 21:40, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Philippines. Shellwood (talk) 20:08, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Leaning delete - While a reasonable number of sources do seem to exist, they essentially seem to fall under WP:ONEEVENT, namely "being a junior level racing driver from the Philippines who races under a Maltese licence". As always with these teenage sub-F3-level drivers my stance remains unchanged that what sources there are about them would be better used to flesh out the articles about the season(s) they have competed in, and we should have exceedingly high notability standards for WP:BLPs of WP:MINORS. If this driver wins the FRECA or Super Formula Lights title then the situation may change within the next year, so draftifying the article could be preferable as an WP:AtD, but generally I am not convinced that a driver at this level can ever be considered notable unless it is for reasons outside of motorsport. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 20:22, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Under my interpretation, WP:ONEEVENT does not apply here. Sure, he has an increased chance of receiving significant coverage due to his nationalit(ies), but that does not mean he is only notable for one event (as the policy intends). He has received coverage about his participation in various series, from karting, to F4, to FRECA; not his participation in one specific event.

  Further, what would you consider "exceedingly high notability standards"? WP:MINORS does not set out specific standards for Minor BLPs as a whole, but primarily discusses controversial/contentious statements.

  While I do understand your opinion about sub-F3 driver articles, I see no reason for titles or specific achievements should be taken into account providing that the article meets GNG. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 20:44, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep I think the article can do better if it was draftified as per the commentator above Codonified (talk) 00:08, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep - ABS-CBN is an excellent source, but I'm not sure about the others. He's just barely there. Bearian (talk) 02:18, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The source in the article are reliable, and credible. There are source that valid from the team itself, the racing series he raced, motorsport news, and national news. Some may not familiar because they are not involve in the motorsport scene to know if the source is credible. But rest assured the article source are valid. Thfeeder (talk) 04:36, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Validity of the sources is not the issue here.Tvx1 06:17, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Then there's no problem then. Why you want a speedy deletion on a driver which already have enough reliable source, racing in credible known racing series? The article in the past was deleted because there was not enough source and too young to be establish. But as of now he is. Thfeeder (talk) 12:50, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Because there was a consensus that he isn’t notable enough and such consensus should not be ignored. That he passes now is nothing but your personal opinion. He finished in a meaningless position in Formula Regional. That’s nowhere near notable. Tvx1 22:01, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Every year there's a new influx of young drivers who enter these junior formulae. Some of them will go onto stardom and many more will fade into obscurity, but unless there's sustained coverage of their involvement in F1 team's junior programmes (see Arvid Lindblad for a current example), most of the coverage of them is either WP:ROUTINE mentions in what is actually coverage of the series they compete in, or sources which are fairly WP:PROMOTIONAL in nature and generally do more to indicate that a driver has a good publicist than they indicate any actual claim to notability. The issue from a Wikipedia editor's perspective is twofold: First, WP:BLPs of children are a potential ethical minefield and should really only be created in cases where the individual's notability is unquestionable. Wikipedia should not become some gossip site dedicated to disseminating information about random teenagers who happen to have participated in fifth-tier sporting events. Secondly, the large-scale creation of these articles about obscure individuals who may-or-may-not become more noteworthy in the future leaves a trail of WP:BLPs behind that need to be constantly monitored for vandalism and other-such issues. Ultimately, being WP:FAMOUS isn't necessarily a good thing, and preventing defamation from being spread about people who aren't really public figures (yet, at least) usually means that we should avoid having articles about people who aren't public figures. There's also the issue of editors attention being directed to the wrong places. Often the articles about these young drivers receive a disproportionate amount of initial effort from editors who try to fit any reference that mentions them into the article in an attempt to demonstrate supposed notability, when in reality that effort would be far better directed towards editting the articles about the seasons they have competed in, which are often noticeably underdeveloped. This is where WP:ONEEVENT becomes relevant. While these young drivers may not literally be notable for just one single event, they still generally lack notability independent of the few events they have competed in. Having separate articles about them tends to come across to me as more of an attempt to create a database than it does a meaningful expansion of said underdeveloped articles. In this case we see a driver who is certainly teetering on the edge of notability, and if this was an article about a type of animal or a building or a person who lived hundreds of years ago, then I would say the subject meets the WP:GNG, but personally I think much higher standards of notability have to be applied to WP:BLPs of seventeen year olds. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 22:14, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]