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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Icewhiz (talk) 05:47, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Tagged with refimprove since 2013, and notability since 2018. Seems it is possible to maybe verify that this took place, however sources treating this run of a mill execution (one of several in the period) in an in-depth fashion are lacking. Icewhiz (talk) 07:35, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn in light of !votes below and the Folia Historica Cracoviensia article that was found.Icewhiz (talk) 05:47, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 07:35, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 07:35, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 07:35, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per WP:PRESERVE. We should have an article on the communist campaign of intimidatory executions in Poland in the period, and this would serve as an example, but we don't seem to have that at the moment. There is some coverage in History of Poland (1945–1989) but this is probably too fine a detail to merge there. So I am saying keep with a view to broadening it out into a more general article. The rationale that this execution is "one of several" has nothing to do with notability, that is an WP:OTHERSTUFF argument. This event is covered in Czasy Nowożytne, although it disagrees on the date of execution with the book source in the article (10 June against 10 July). SpinningSpark 11:50, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  @Spinningspark: - see Cursed soldiers which would be that article (the fighters of the WiN unit being executed in the picture being but one example). Icewhiz (talk) 12:03, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  I would support a merge there, I just don't think we should remove it altogether. SpinningSpark 12:06, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Also Freedom and Independence (WiN - the anti-communist unit involved here), and Anti-communist resistance in Poland (1944–1946). The problem with the present article is that it is almost completely un-sourced (other than the lede - whose source is far off from great, to say the least) - much of it may be WP:OR - basically the main thing salvageable here is that the execution happened + the photograph.Icewhiz (talk) 12:10, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. There are sources covering this. 1) cited book by historian Marek Jan Chodakiewicz 2) from book by Polish historian pl:Arkadiusz Kołodziejczyk [1] "Trzecia egzekucja publiczna odbyła się 10 lipca na dębickim rynku, zostali tam powieszeni członkowie „oddziału leśnego” Jana Stefki („Mściciel”)." 3) few paragraphs of coverage in this academic article: [2] 4) local media covers events commemorating this, and a monument was unveiled: [3], [4], [5] since 2012 there's a yearly event (2012: "Od 4 lat, w rocznicę ostatniej publicznej egzekucji na dębickim Rynku przy pomniku „Żołnierzy Wyklętych” zapalane są znicze i składane kwiaty przez władze miejskie i przedstawicieli organizacji kombatanckich, samorządowych i mieszkańców miasta."). 5) the picture of the execution gets some coverage too, through I am not sure if it is independently notable. Regional museum had an exhibition for the photographer, mentions this event and the photo here: [6]. Overall, yes, this is a footnote event, but I think there's enough coverage in sources to make it notable. PS. I am surprised this doesn't have a pl wiki entry. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:45, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  The lack of a plwiki entry what a supporting indication for this nomination. The local coverage (debica.pl is the municipality site, radio/tv Rzeszow is from the closest larger city, muzeumwdebicy.pl is the municipality musuem) of commemoration events at the local square is not in-depth or significant. @Piotrus: - how much content is there in the books? (my estimation based on snippet view is a couple of paragraphs). How much is in the Polish language journal article? Passing WP:V is not sufficient for WP:NEVENT - we expect WP:INDEPTH coverage for notability. Icewhiz (talk) 05:23, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • I concur that it's 'a couple of paragraph' for both book and the article, and IMHO that's sufficient coverage for notability of a historical event like that, particularly given the other supporting evidence (local media, commemoration). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:28, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 12:54, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I agree that the article is today slight, but would like to see it stand per WP:PRESERVE. Piotr has demonstrated that RS' exist. There is no doubt that this is one of the most haunting images of the 2nd W war. Ceoil (talk) 02:44, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Short biographies of the three men executed and a few more details are available at: Szczygieł, R. (2014). Oddział Narodowych Sił Zbrojnych pod dowództwem Jana Stefki ps.„Mściciel” w latach 1945–1946 w świetle dokumentów UB. Folia Historica Cracoviensia, 20(1), 205-258. On the basis of that article, Grebosz may himself be encyclopedic. If anyone can confirm the quality of that journal (Folia Historica Cracoviensia), I'd be happy to expand the article to discuss the details from Szczygieł's article. As a note, that article discusses the violence these three were part of and expanding this article to include that information would significantly change the tone of this article. Smmurphy^(Talk) 15:59, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• @Smmurphy: Folia Historica Cracoviensia is a very minor academic journal by a minor Polish university; the journal has no pl wiki article. It is indexed in Index Copernicus ([7]) which is not saying much. But it does not seem predatory, since while open access [8] states that there are no fees for review and publication. I cannot find much about the author, but he seems to have gotten a PhD from the same institution in 2016 ([9]) in the field of history and culture. So, minor historian/publication, but no red flags, I'd call the source reliable unless it makes any red flag claims. Hope that helps :) --05:42, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

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