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The result was no consensus. MBisanz ^talk 18:34, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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PROD contested by article creator (see talk page); there is no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 09:26, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:07, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak Keep wouldn't being a fighter ace confer sufficient notability? There may be a bit of bias as there are not likely to be many English language sources. EricSerge (talk) 22:21, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• The problem here is not only notability, it is also verifiability. GiantSnowman 22:27, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Did you look here: [1]? Is that not a reliable source for verifiability? EricSerge (talk) 00:24, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cheers, Riley 00:06, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Sounds interesting, but passing mentions in one book is not sustained editorial discussion. Fails WP:GNG--Nixie9 (talk) 04:41, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do you have access to Farsi sources? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 16:41, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Meets WP:SOLDIER #5: "Played an important role in a significant military event"; becoming an ace meets this, I believe, as does a four-kill mission, especially in the Jet Age. If there was an article about Operation Sultan Ten, I'd consider a redirect, but as there is not, an article on him is reasonable and logical. Passes WP:V (concern mentioned above), also WP:CSB/WP:BIAS kicks in. No article on an American fighter ace would be considered for deletion; nor a British one, or a German one. Notability is met through acehood; article is verifiable. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 16:41, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Respectfully, the Normandy Beach invasion and Pearl Harbor are examples of significant military events. Ongoing skirmishes and operations between fighter pilots clearly are not. If an operation were shown to be a turning point in a war, it could warrant an article, but I have not seen supporting references. Other flying aces have substantial references, such that they pass the general WP:GNG. If there are Farsi sources, google can do a rough translate, and I would become supportive.--Nixie9 (talk) 17:43, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Good point - why not redirect to Iranian aerial victories during the Iran-Iraq war or Flying ace instead, seeing as there is minimal verifiable info about this guy and he fails WP:GNG? As a sidepoint, Bushranger's accusations of cultural bias should be retracted. GiantSnowman 18:45, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• They're not 'accusations', but merely a simple statment of fact; if a case of a "western" ace's article having been deleted can be found, then I'll retract them, but I doubt any such case will be found. That said, though a merge to Flying ace#Iran-Iraq war until more information can be found could work. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:22, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I agree with Bushranger, an Ace pilot, particularly in the jet age, is almost certainly notable. To the extent that we lack sufficient sources to directly establish notability can be reasonably explained by our lack of easy access to foreign language sources. While the article could be merged, I see no reason why a merge is necessary, there is nothing wrong with leaving it a stub. Monty₈₄₅ 02:44, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, being a fighter ace, especially in this day and age, is a pretty impressive achievement. The paucity of sources in the English language is to be expected given his nationality, but there's enough to squeak it over the verifiability bar I think. That doesn't mean that the article wouldn't be improved by the addition of additional Persian language sources. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 04:21, 27 December 2012 (UTC).[reply]

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