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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 00:10, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Himmelstürmer Flightpack (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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Unreliable cited sources (basically just a post on dieselpunks.org^[1] and one on disciplesofflight.com,^[2] neither citing their own sources), and other more reliable/detailed sources indicating this is a hoax.^[3][4] As the Talk page shows, When someone asked for validation last year, the author pointed to a German title which turned out to be a children's picture book Rovack (talk) 00:21, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It should also be noted that at least one of the references on that page is actually a book about German films in the 20th century.^[5][6] This, along with notes on the Talk page, point to confusion on the part of the author, between the supposed "Himmelstürmer Flightpack", and the real-life documentary "Himmelstürmer", described in the German Wikipedia page of the same name. Note that the Himmelsstürmer disambiguation page makes not a single mention of any flightpack. The cause of this confusion appears to be the author's inability to read German, leading them to believe any mention of the word "Himmelstürmer" is a relevant reference, even if it's in a movie anthology. --Rovack (talk) 01:36, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Discuss 03:13, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Discuss 03:13, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• rewrite as hoax This hoax has been around for a long time and is unlikely to stop just because WP finally sees sense and stops claiming that it's true. However there is still useful mileage in debunking it.

Alternatively, redirect to Colin Furze. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:32, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or rewrite as hoax. This is a hoax. The question is if there are enough sources treating it as a hoax. I did find this - How A Holocaust Denier Fooled The Internet With Nazi Jetpack Soldiers.Icewhiz (talk) 10:56, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or rewrite as hoax. I think we would be performing a service by rewriting this as a hoax but I fear we lack significant coverage as a hoax. The only other reliable source I could find was the book by the same author as the article found by Icewhiz. [1]. 24.151.116.12 (talk) 18:24, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, as cited in the original comment, the only 2 sources I could find were that article Icewhiz mentioned, and this forum thread discussing the issue. Of course that forum isn't a terribly authoritative source either, though the picture of the plastic model used to fabricate the historical-looking picture, if nothing else, does look pretty relevant. --Rovack (talk) 08:01, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or rewrite as hoaxI'm the original author. The page was initially put up for AFD, but then it was withdrawn. As has been noted, I had asked for help with a German speaking wikipedian. One reviewed the page, only removing *one* source... and since then the page had remained as is. Happy for it to be deleted, as references seem to be pointing it that way... it is probably best as has been suggested, for the benefit of the wikipedia users, that we convert this into a hoax article. Deathlibrarian (talk) 10:56, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 13:14, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 13:14, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Hoax - Ouch, the jalopnik.com site above actually refers to us.--Georgia Army Vet Contribs Talk 19:36, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete -- does not appear to be a particularly notable hoax; if someone wants to create an article down the road, that's fine but I don't see anyone rewriting this article. K.e.coffman (talk) 07:14, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Even if it were not a hoax, it's terribly sourced. Bearian (talk) 23:57, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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