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The result was delete. Michig (talk) 09:11, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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No significant coverage of this person can be found in reliable sources. A "Producer" is not inherently notable. Independent coverage is required. Fails ANYBIO, BASIC, and GNG. Steve Quinn (talk) 00:44, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: A producer might be treated as notable under WP:CREATIVE if they have enough sufficiently notable productions, even if specific coverage of them is limited. In Lonn's case, however, he coproduced one minor broadway production in 1974[1], and there appears to be extremely limited coverage of him elsewhere (eg [2]), mostly as a spokesperson for/about the theatre and its productions. FWIW, there's probably enough out there to stitch together an article with information that's out there (birthname, college, wife, actors worked with...) from the background material of such articles, but that'd suffer from the sources being probably reliable but the material being mostly non-independent, and WP:OR. 02:04, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 04:38, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 04:38, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I created this article about David Lonn. I can assure you that the information is 100% accurate, and is easily verifiable with PLAYBILL, STAGEBILL, etc., programs from 50 theatrical productions in four countries. In addition to advertising, publicity and promotional material for 134 concerts and/or concert tours, along with all ownership and management contracts for legitimate theatres. Also, there are many featured articles in major newspapers. The Registry of the films listed can be easily verified with Stephen Schwartz, Vice President and Director of the Title Registration Bureau of the Motion Picture Association of America, Inc. (MPAA). By way of example, please see copies of a sampling of the above. Kbaz21 (talk) 20:27, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Reply. From all of the above, I can see that the existence of this person is probably verifiable. But in order to merit a stand alone article it must meet the standards for notability (please see the notability criteria for a Wikipedia article). Also, because this is a biography of a living person it must also meet that standard as well (please see WP:BLP).

Advertising, publicity materials, and promotional materials are not suitable references for a Wikipedia article (please see how Wikipedia is not a venue for promotion). PLAYBILL, STAGEBILL, ownership and management contracts only qualify as primary sources which do not demonstrate the notability of a given subject on Wikipedia.

Secondary or third hand sources are required - please see reliable sources. If you know of links to featured articles in major newspapers that cover this topic then please post them in the reference section of this article.

If you need to create sections for this article then the easiest route is to take a look at other articles for examples. Also you can refer to the Wikipedia Manual of Style for organizing sections and section headings. Thanks and Good Luck. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 06:02, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. The PLAYBILLS and STAGE BILLS on the left look very nice. They appear to be good quality. However, please keep in mind reliable sources are required for a stand alone article. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 06:02, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong delete The formatting of the article is all wrong. This reads like a CV not an encyclopedia article. Not every producer is notable, and there is nothing here suggesting notability on the part of Lonn. I am not even sure that any production that Lonn did was notable, and clearly just having a notable production does not make the producer notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:53, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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