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The result was keep. bd2412 T 03:36, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Auld Dubrach (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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Contested PROD. Rationale was "Almost completely unsourced for 5 years, the one source has no indication of meeting RS, and no meaningful biographical information anywhere. WP:NOPAGE." None of the sources I found give any remotely plausible details about his life whatsoever, and the ridiculous age claim doesn't help. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 00:20, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Scotland-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:42, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:42, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:42, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I declined the PROD because I think there are sufficient sources to demonstrate notability. First, having your portrait hang in the National Portrait Gallery of a country is prima facie evidence of notability. The painting, its subject and their significance are the topic of articles about the development of modern Scottish identity hereand here

The life and activities of Peter Grant/Auld Dubrach are discussed in the following books:

• Dane Love (2011). Jacobite Stories. Neil Wilson Publishing. p. 173. ISBN 978-1-906476-43-4.

• Mairead McKerracher (30 June 2012). Jacobite Dictionary. Neil Wilson Publishing. pp. 67–. ISBN 978-1-906000-25-7.

• Geographical Magazine. Campion Interactive Pub. Limited. February 1996

Auld Dubrach is also the subject of this BBC broadcast.

I agree with the nominator that the details of his life are doubtful and his great age possibly spurious, but those considerations are not important in terms of his notability, which arises precisely from his being a highly mythologised figure. Mccapra (talk) 08:04, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. If he was a faker, he was a notable one and still written about to this day. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:49, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep The content seems to be rather similar to the text with the portrait on the National Galleries Scotland website, but I doubt they want to claim this as a copy-vio. I note that give his forename as Patrick, not Peter. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:44, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  This is part of the problem. The sources aren't even consistent on basic details such as this, which creates a bit of a problem for a factual encyclopedia. Since the sources are fairly thin even before this, I don't see how it's possible to have anything informative. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 22:00, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In Scotland, Pàdraig may be rendered in English as Peter or Patrick, though generally the former. Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:24, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, meets WP:GNG, thanks to Mccapra for finding above sources and improving the article (i note that another editor has also added more there). Coolabahapple (talk) 03:15, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  There are sources, and still 4 sentences. I'm not sure how there'll be more than that in an article about this guy, given that there's not much depth of coverage. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 15:23, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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