Hi! I'd like to help you in the creation of the sectors, but first I'd like to know if the section name is going to be standardized in Spanish or English 'cause I've seen it in both languages. BTW, all that information is great! Thanks for all that you do! Yarfpr (talk) 03:20, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yarfpr. Thank you. Sure.

I think "sectors" is best because it is a direct easy clear translation; better for English Wikipedia.

To proceed I suggest

1) use an existing page as a template

2) add the new source - the "desglose" file

3) copy and paste sector names from the desglose to a .txt file

4) format the .txt file enough to be able to copy and paste to a spreadsheet to sort the sector names

5) in the .txt file, use find / replace to replace all abbreviations with the spelled out word i.e. Sect. = Sector, Urb. = Urbanización

6) copy the blurb about "Barrios are further divided...", include the "desglose" source;

7) the final list of sectors need to be formatted two ways: a) the barrio wiki article where the sectors are located in paragraph / prose format and b) the list of barrios of municipality, Puerto Rico in a List format

8) add the links to the PR highways / roads

9) add images of sectors wherever possible

Your thoughts? --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 03:30, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, I find it spectacular! For now I'm going to replace Spanish with English in the name of all the sections you created, and as you continue to create more lists and sections, I'll add the road links. I already saw that you use the CEEPUR list, so it'll be easy for me to help with the other municipalities. Thank you! Yarfpr (talk) 03:40, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks man! It's the weekend! So glad! I can finally relax, and sit here, and eat ice cream and laugh out loud at memes. What a year it's been. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 03:49, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, that's right! I love the photos of PR politicians on FaceApp. La gente no tiene madre. 😂😂😂 Yarfpr (talk) 03:56, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

People do such creative, funny things.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 04:55, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Yarfpr:, @Johnluisocasio: There are things you can do to help. These updates take time.
Specifically:
I see you are already adding images, and that is awesome. If you can, we need images of kids playing basketball for one of the PR artices. (Streetball in Puerto Rico) as we know it's very popular there. Maybe get an image so we don't see their faces so much just the game itself 'cause I don't know about uploading images of people.
We also need more news for each barrio article. Something about each barrio. I search ENDI regularly, with my paid subscription for anything noteworthy to add. This is to be able to turn the articles from STUB to START. Exhibit A: Bartolo, Lares, Puerto Rico
What else?
Every barrio-pueblo article should include the plaza de recreo name, Exhibit B: [[1]] and info re: the town's patron saint and annual festival, again images would be nice. Last time I went to a festival was in Quebradillas too many years ago.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 23:11, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The suggestions seem good to me. I've a few photos of plazas, barrios and sectores that I haven't yet shared because I think they don't have the best quality, but I hope to continue visiting towns as the pandemic ends. Yarfpr (talk) 03:34, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I also have a spreadsheet Census .txt file of GPS coordinates from USGS to update the barrios articles because MOS:COORDS (avoid excessive precision) and the coordinates, on the wiki articles now, while correct- are too many digits long. Anyway. I don't think too many people are playing Streetball now-what with the Saharan dust and the heat!!! Stay cool.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 17:22, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. These days have been terribly hot. Today's evening began to look clearer, but over the weekend the sky will get ugly again. People got very creative again; this time with the Arabic themed memes.

Returning to the main topic, I had observed that the list of sectors in some articles of barrios appeared in bullets, while in others it appeared in paragraph format (in most of them). I would like to know if that second option (the paragraph one) is going to be the standard so that I can add the sectors in different barrios articles. I've already seen that the alphabetical order is followed without abbreviating the generic names in both options. Yarfpr (talk) 02:08, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Yarfpr: I like the paragraph form much better because then it's more "prose" to get articles out of stub status. But if you notice, even though the page views in paragraph form, the actual source (when you open the page and edit the source) is in a list as follows: sector comma space line break sector comma space line break -- that way it's easier to view in the edit mode. Thank you. The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 02:11, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Yarfpr:But we're talking about two different things: in the barrio article --> paragraph, in the list articles (which I don't know if I'll keep creating them).. in list format. What do you think? Good night. I'm hitting the hay now. The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 02:34, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There's the list that includes all the barrios with their respective sectors in a municipality (in bullets), and there's the sectors section of the article of a barrio (in paragraphs). I was always referring to the second one, and I think the paragraph format in that section is excellent. During the past hour I've dedicated myself to turning the sectors of the barrios of Ciales and Cidra into a paragraph because they hadn't yet been standardized. I've also been organizing them in alphabetical order. Good night. Yarfpr (talk) 03:06, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I was adding sectors to the barrios of Vieques and Culebra, and I realized that some barrios don't have sectors. I know it will sound silly, but what can be done in those cases? Thank you. Yarfpr (talk) 02:40, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Yarfpr:Llave, Punta Arenas and Mosquito have very little to zero population so it make sense. If they don't have sectors, then don't mention sectors at all in their article. Sometimes it helps me to click on the coordinates to see the place, to get an idea of what is there. Anyway, i just wouldn't mention it. Sometimes you see there's nothing there, or there is a beach. BTW, I found a spreadsheet of all the beaches here. I like to click on the map sometimes, to put the place into perspective as I update the article. I don't know every area of Puerto Rico.Thanks. (talk) 02:52, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for sharing that link with me. I assumed that nothing could be done in those cases, but I also suppose that it will be difficult to add sections that mention those barrios for the same reason. Regarding list articles, they aren't necessarily a priority right now, but it could be great if you eventually decide to continue creating them. I've to familiarize myself a little more with those articles to know if more municipalities and details can be added, such as photos or maps. Yarfpr (talk) 03:26, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, the list articles maybe aren't so important (for now). I don't know every area of Puerto Rico. Sometimes a local guide gives you some insight about the place. This happened when I visited Morovis. I found local insight about something big that happened in San Lorenzo barrio. Later I was able to find a reference for the event. See [[2]]. This was my local guide.

.The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 03:29, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Yarfpr: Hey - thanks for restoring those red links that I deleted. I removed them because I'd completely forgotten why they were there. I realize that in doing these articles, I feel I know Puerto Rico a lot better. I feel as if I'm there. I left so long ago and there are many places that I know more about thanks to working on their articles. I mean, by knowing a place's elevation, population per square feet, current and past news / events, checking out the people from that community on their Facebook pages, seeing a few pics and I can totally picture the place and feel as if I've travelled there. You live in a great place. I hope it gets better each day over there. Now - sleep. Today was a good day. Now, a cookie and then sleep. Paz, dinero y amor. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 03:46, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad to hear that this project makes you feel back at home. I agree with you when you say that each information found allows us to better understand each corner of the island and feel that we are from each place we come across. Since before this project began, I already liked to identify the places of the photos that I shared on social networks, and thanks to this I've been able to be even more specific with the details in those images that I show to my loved ones. Tomorrow I hope to continue helping to create the missing red lists. Good night! Yarfpr (talk) 04:06, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I would like to know if the lists should always be vertical (such as San Lorenzo and Yabucoa) or if the Dorado and Guaynabo format will be used. Yarfpr (talk) 13:30, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. For long lists I think the Dorado format is better. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 13:47, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe this should be placed in all lists:

Yarfpr (talk) 01:13, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like a good idea. Yes.The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 01:19, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! The municipalities that I added to the list are those that I understand are easy to work with. If you're interested in working with any of them, you can add your name next to each one to know which ones I can work with. The rest of the municipalities that I didn't add to the list are very large and complicated because they've more than two pdf documents with many sectors per barrio. I hope to be able to complete most of them in the next few weeks because the storm delayed me, and I was categorizing the roads of Puerto Rico so that all the photos added are easier to locate in Commons. Yarfpr (talk) 16:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Yarfpr:, I know what you mean. You know there's no rush. I went back to the maps because I'm worried my old computer that has the gvSIG program for working with maps will crash on me, because that computer is old. I finally had time to get back to those maps and hope to get them done soon, (making them look more like the Ponce ones)... So anyway, yes. Some of these "desglose" of muncipalities are on two or even more .pdfs and I think we'll have to make a decision as to really how much we want to incorporate into the list. For example: the Arecibo one lists street names as well and I don't know about including them in the wikipedia article. Arecibo is big. You know, there's no rush but being systematic and getting it done is good. I put the maps down for a whole year but now I'm on a roll and will finish them!

Pinging John just as an (FYI @Johnluisocasio:). John had said that there are some "barrios" and "sectors" and "neighborhoods" that don't show up on the "desglose" and I believe he is right because I have a picture of a sign with a sector on a street, and it doesn't show up on the "desglose". The topography of Puerto Rico sure is interesting. Take care! The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 20:13, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Yarfpr: & @The Eloquent Peasant: I would more like call it as local administrative unit geography (LOL!) when it comes to populated place name units/areas (or lugares poblados in Spanish), whether they are inhabited or uninhabited alike, in a population standpoint. Also in one of my town's "desgloses", within the downtown area (i.e.: barrio-pueblo) theres a "sector" or two: one called Santo Domingo and the other being La Piramide. If only I could had taken a pic, I would had showed it as proof of reference. jlog3000 (talk) 20:27, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It seems good to me to do all this later because then I can focus better on what I told you about road categories. For my part, I agree with the removal of the roads from the lists, as they only appear as a reference for places without names (people who live on the streets mentioned). It also seems like a good idea to remove unnecessary data that usually appears in parentheses. As for what John said above, I know that the desgloses don't mention all the places that exist in each municipality, but it is always good to mention as much as you can find. Yarfpr (talk) 20:33, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Yarfpr:, @Johnluisocasio: And how does a sector become a sector? Sometimes it's named after a person/ family that has lived there for over 50 years, is what I heard. My extended familiy lives in the same area and their children built their homes there. It's a few acres and several homes wide. After living there 50 years, the eldest of them received a certificate from the municipality or barrio and a street sign that reads "Sector (with his name)". I emailed the PR Library to find out if they can point me towards a source / reference regarding that tidbit of information on "how does a sector become a sector". Hopefully, they'll email me back with a source. The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 20:51, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Yarfpr: To me, roads aren't like a populated place in a geographic standpoint. Roads or streets or similar things are like direction entities for address purposes, like to locate a certain building, but they all are created within one or more populated places (in this case, "sectors"). jlog3000 (talk) 21:27, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@The Eloquent Peasant: To be honest, I got no clue myself. Although I hear random talk or sources that for a new "sector" or a new "barrio" to be form, it all depends on the government levels. Those people with power. jlog3000 (talk) 21:27, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnluisocasio: I agree with you. For that reason I think we should remove them from the lists because desgloses identify them as sectors without them really being sectors. Yarfpr (talk) 21:51, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No prob guys. I was always suspicious and wondering if the Puerto Rico Planning Board (a.k.a. la Junta de Planificación de Puerto Rico) could be a reliable source to find certain information about its "barrios" and their "sectores". Here is a link, might I add: Junta de Planificación jlog3000 (talk) 15:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. The legal barrios are clear on the US Census docs. The sectors are on the electoral breakdowns (desglose). --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 15:15, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You're correct. But if only the State Commission of Elections (a.k.a. la Comisión Estatal de Elecciones) had made it a bit tidy and more proper to organize the sectors within each municipal breakdowns (or desgloses). But hopefully someday certain geographic entites like the PR Planning Board can coexist with the CEE, etc. jlog3000 (talk) 15:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah! If only'! That would be nice! --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 15:23, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Yarfpr:, @Johnluisocasio: Sorry to keep pinging you and I know you're both very busy. I just wanted you to be aware of these files, in case you might find them interesting:

• Until 1990 the muni. seats were called "pueblo"- now "barrio-pueblo" and other terms
• Puerto Rico and the Outlying Areas according to the US Census
• Pop way back when--La Jibara Elocuente (talk) 00:03, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OMG! ¡Pura joya! Thank you! Yarfpr (talk) 00:33, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to say thanks for the "thanks" that you have marked on some of my recent edits. My real name is spelled with a mix of French and English, so I have personal experience with seeing my name messed up and can't help feeling that it is only fair to have a person's name spelled correctly (mostly diacritics issues) in these articles!! From time to time, going through those articles, I have stumbled across other copy edit or missing links or missing detail or other associated issues, and have enjoyed addressing those as well. Point is, it is work I am happy to do - but it is nice to see that it was appreciated. Jmg38 (talk) 19:41, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jmg38: Your welcome. That cookie hit the spot! --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 20:16, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, thanks for adding short descriptions to Puerto Rico radio articles. It might interest you that I'm working on rolling out infobox generation of short descriptions for radio articles soon as part of a larger overhaul of {{Infobox radio station}} and {{Infobox broadcast}}, so keep an eye out for that. Raymie (t • c) 20:54, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey! Nice to meet you @Raymie:. I think those radio articles are pretty intense. More power to you! --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 20:56, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• You can see the RfC at Wikipedia:WikiProject Radio Stations/2020 infobox redesign proposal. It's been quite well received so far. Raymie (t • c) 21:10, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Raymie: I was hoping you could do your magic on this one, one day when you have time. Although, it may be difficult to find anything on it as it doesn't exist anymore in PR. Thanks. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 13:05, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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@Yarfpr: We might have to use this link for the reference / source from now on because as of this morning the link we were using leads to a "your connection is not private" error. Things are probably being moved around in light of the 2020 census. I'm pretty sure it's the same file. I know we haven't been adding this to our lists articles but in some cases it helps to add it... --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 13:01, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, in looking again the census files are different... slightly different. And the original ref/ source on the municipality articles is archived ... Something else to do when there's time - update the links the municipality/ barrio articles point to, to this... https://web.archive.org/web/20170220183043/https://permanent.access.gpo.gov/gpo35934/cph-2-53.pdf to avoid seeing the "your connection is not private" error. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 13:10, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh! Now it's okay. I don't get an error message. Never mind.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 14:44, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

For a moment I felt lost. Yarfpr (talk) 03:27, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Eloquent Peasant, thanks to improve the article "Camilo Prieto Valderrama", I have already created a link so now it is not an orphan article. thanks for your cooperation. --3erres (talk) 09:29, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That comment on the Raúl Juliá RM was amusing, thank you :) In ictu oculi (talk) 13:29, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Eloquent and Yarfpr, I've seen you guys are working on barrios of Puerto Rico, so I wanted to make an observation. This edit is a perfect example of one of the reasons why I prefer to use the word "barrio" instead of "ward" whenever an article makes reference to a Puerto Rico barrio. If we "let it go" whenever we see this sort of thing done in an article, eventually some (uninformed / ill-informed) editor will drive by and change all 902 articles of all 902 barrios to read "ward" instead of "barrio", and I wouldn't want that to happen. Saludos, Mercy11 (talk) 05:09, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

They are barrios. The way Egypt has "governorates" and the Governorates of Egypt article lead states "governorates" not "wards". Each country has their own way of referring to their subdivisions.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 15:18, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

PBS. ref:^[1]

Census and other historic refs:^[2][3]

US Census definition: a barrio is similar to a minor civil division

--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 16:26, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nowhere in the US Census document is the word "ward" mentioned and it is a document written in English - because they are barrios.

• Puerto Rico:2010:population and housing unit counts.pdf
• url=https://permanent.access.gpo.gov/gpo35934/cph-2-53.pdf

--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 16:38, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't know that about Egypt - thanks!! Mercy11 (talk) 02:27, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@The Eloquent Peasant: Hey, i am making a SVG of the Trujillo Alto coat of arms and i am using your sources but cannot figure out what crosses are in the outer areas. I assume it is a saints cross but i cannot understand the translations of the descriptions (cause my spanish levels are basic) or the image of the coat of arms was to low quality to even try to compare. Can you help me? --Cookieman1.1.1 (talk) 21:52, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Cookieman1.1.1: Someone else (@Niko3818: ) has almost completed the work on the Trujillo Alto svgs so you don't have to work on that one. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 22:23, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@The Eloquent Peasant: Any coat of arms that you know of that i can make? --Cookieman1.1.1 (talk) 22:32, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Cookieman1.1.1:, @Niko3818: Search "administrative units.." or "administrative subdivisions of...." on en: wikipedia for more ideas.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 15:44, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are many.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 15:50, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe this page can help. TC! Yarfpr (talk) 00:17, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this helps. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 00:21, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Yarfpr: Oh, forgot to ping you. This helps if the person making the symbols bothers to read the text. lexjuris has correct descriptions IN SPANISH. If they didn't speak Spanish and were working on symbols for Puerto Rico, a good person would do a translate of the official descriptions of the symbols and discuss it with people who know and could guide them. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 02:25, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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	The Citation Barnstar
	Thank you! PRguardian (talk) 01:12, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• @PRguardian: Thank you. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 01:15, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to draft my first article https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Josu%C3%A9_Rivera. Please help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by PRguardian (talk • contribs) 01:20, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's under review and will take time. He may pass notability. Read here WP:Notability because there are multiple sources from major Puerto Rico newspapers. I filled in the bare refs but I don't know how else I can help. Be patient and keep fixing it. Good luck! --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 01:33, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the big help with citations. I need to work on 2-3 more with the coding. (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PRguardian (talk • contribs) 02:27, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I seen that you're trying to help out a bit involving something I'm trying to plan in mind in regards of listing at least all the populated place names/units/areas known as sectores sorted by municipal districts/wards/boroughs called barrios within each municipio of Puerto Rico. First, I began with the municipality of Cidra, and recently my hometown municipality of Ciales. Hopefully this mini-project will eventually pay off, because I have been a local administrative unit-style or local government unit-style geography within every single administrative subdivision of every nation of the world. Your thoughts? jlog3000 (talk) 17:42, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnluisocasio: This sounds good. We can also add the sectors into each barrios page. Refs though, are needed. Sometimes I find the "DESGLOSE" for the municipality but sometimes I don't. Ciales is beautiful. I took most of the pictures on the Ciales, Puerto Rico page. It's really a fantastic place - nice feeling, the people are friendly and proud of their city. Let me know how I can help.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 17:45, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnluisocasio: Though I wonder if the page should be called barrios and "sectors" not sectores.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 17:46, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@The Eloquent Peasant: Sounds fairly good to me, on the part of adding the sectores within each barrio's page; and I agree with the part of needed key of references. And when I noticed one of your edits, I believe the right answer for that is this one link: http://ww2.ceepur.org/es-pr/Paginas/Desglose-de-Sectores.aspx But keep in mind though, sadly on each one, looks weirdly complex in a way that they mash up the sectores within which barrio because on each page, they are 'sorted out' by voting centre units or such. Not even myself couldn't figure out to sort it all out. But it's at least a head start. jlog3000 (talk) 18:10, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@The Eloquent Peasant: And about calling or naming each upcoming article as "sectors", to me it doesn't have the same taste or way of expression in a plural form, because a sector basically is a neighborhood or a quarter (on urban areas) or a village or a locality or a settlement or a community or a hamlet (on rural areas), both locally and administratively speaking); and it's the lowest non-administrative populated place name/unit/area type within the jurisdiction of the barrio (or ward/borough, which transliterally means neighborhood in Spanish), which in turn is in the jurisdiction of the municipio (or municipality). Plus there are two types of wards/boroughs: the urban ones (like the barrios-pueblos, which are basically the main town/city centre ward/borough of the municipality) and the rural ones (which are the countryside sub-municipal units). Hope this clarifies things a bit, if any doubts or questions about such regards. jlog3000 (talk) 18:10, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnluisocasio: Thanks for the ref. I'd been looking for that.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 18:18, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@The Eloquent Peasant: Anytime. Feel free to ask by any means. jlog3000 (talk) 19:39, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnluisocasio: I'm afraid I'm unable to verify the names of the communities on your two new pages (List of barrios and sectores of Ciales, Puerto Rico

and List of barrios and sectores of Cidra, Puerto Rico) when I check the neighborhoods against those on the "desglose" references. So I edited parts of the articles, to match the "sectores" seen on the source but it seems to be double work. Your thoughts?--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 02:04, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnluisocasio: I can create the articles based on the sources. Or do you want to create them? Or do you want to create some and I create some? But I'll add the neighborhoods based on the "desglose" refs but I wouldn't call this a 'mini' project, sounding small. It's kind of big. Thanks again! --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 02:07, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@The Eloquent Peasant: I appreciate it a lot. And about the article part edits, I don't mind. For those sectores that got removed because they don't match according to the desglose reference files, I would slowly re-add them in a later date; but I would like to add italics to represent those that are not from those deslgose files. Otherwise and in the meantime, thanks for letting me know, and keep up the good work. I think I might re-create a new article momentarily for the next municipio. I just gotta find that file spreadsheet. Here's a hint: Dorado. jlog3000 (talk) 09:23, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnluisocasio:The neighborhoods of Dorado have been added to their barrio articles. If you want to create the list article, feel free. If you want to copy and paste from the barrios articles and then make it into a list. I like to have it not be a list, I prefer to have the sectors as prose in the barrio articles. Thanks. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 17:28, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnluisocasio: In checking again, for the most part- your spreadsheet on the desglose match- for the most part, except for some not matching. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 22:16, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@The Eloquent Peasant: No worries, just clarified in terms of sending a mini-notepad document (not an actual spreadsheet, the spreadsheet word was a figure of speech) along with a map. In the meantime, I'm amazed that some of new ones have been added. Very great job thus far. *applauses* jlog3000 (talk) 17:36, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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@Yarfpr:, @Cookieman1.1.1: We need a section for a Largoplazo statement, an AntonioMartin statement, a Marine's statement, a Cookie(man) statement, a Yarfpr statement, a Mercy statement, an Eloquent statement, etc. for if/when needed, on the Symbols project page. May need to link from the table to sections below it for statements and comments 'cause the comment column would get cumbersome. Cookieman, the Cabo Rojo flag looks super easy to fix. Currently just the.. well go see the page for the very small issue with the current Cabo Rojo .svg file. And - thank you, thank you, thank you, once again for your attention to this matter. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 10:10, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I just added my comment about the Comerío flag to the list. I really like the idea of having that list where we can all see and provide constructive feedback on designs to improve. Thank you. Yarfpr (talk) 15:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

May I ask you for the reason why you reverted my edit? I would be happy if you reply. GucciNuzayer (talk) 12:55, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Answered on your talk page. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 14:33, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Te deseo a ti y a tu familia un Feliz Dia del Pavo. Te aprecio mucho! Tony the Marine (talk) 05:09, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Marine 69-71: Gracias! El pavo me quedó delicioso. Igualmente. Ya sabes! --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 21:00, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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@Mitchellhobbs: I was thinking of you yesterday! Hope you had a nice Thanksgiving and thank you for this lovely greeting. Santa with his surfboard is so fun!!! --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 17:20, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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im wondering why you changed my flag if loiza to the old one???? Skunkcrew (talk) 12:23, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

you can find the answer on your talk page. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 14:00, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

yes i understand from the website you sent me thatbwebsite doesent seem to update my friend nelson owner of the areciboweb page called loiza they said my version was correct he also called hormigueros they said the light blue was correct and the dark blue was a error Skunkcrew (talk) 15:03, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

hello the reason why I replaced the flags is because i have a friend named nelson he owns the areciboweb page he called loiza they said that my version was correct he called hormigueros they said that the light blue was correct and that the dark blue was a error also if you have any questions or dont believe me or want to talk about this matter pleas contact me through my email at pereiracodie@gmail.com Skunkcrew (talk) 15:36, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

When you want to add information to an article you have to Verify the information is correct by finding a Reliable Source to provide evidence for your change. Please read WP:RS. We don't use personal emails on wikipedia to verify information on an article. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 19:04, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

the bell tower is saposed to be in the upper left and corner (canton) but so far it looks good Skunkcrew (talk) 14:00, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I updated it. If you're interested in checking out the other symbols here's a project that we worked on a little while back and I'm still a little active on it today. Any feedback is appreciated. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 14:35, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

... in the dexter chief corner? Oh. Ok. hahaha --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 14:43, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

the green and red parts must be equal in size Skunkcrew (talk) 16:20, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. I'll fix it within the next 5 minutes hour. Thank you. Like this? green red parts are same size --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 18:37, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

	Merry Christmas The Eloquent Peasant!!
	Hi The Eloquent Peasant, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year, Thanks for all you do--Tony the Marine (talk) 04:33, 25 December 2020 (UTC)(UTC)[reply]

@Marine 69-71: Merry Christmas to you and yours. This is beautiful. Santa is nearing Puerto Rico. He's in Tennessee! He already went to Arizona. Hope he brought you nice things this night. https://www.noradsanta.org/ --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 04:40, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Ha, ha! I got a lump of coal from him. :>}

Wow! haha.

@Mercy11: That's so nice! Merry Christmas to you too! Thank you! Feliz Navidad Prospero Año y Felicidad! --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 04:43, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

	Happy New Year!
	Hello The Eloquent Peasant: Did you know ... that back in 1885, Wikipedia editors wrote Good Articles with axes, hammers and chisels? Thank you for your contributions to this encyclopedia using 21st century technology. I hope you don't get any unnecessary blisters. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 17:56, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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	Prospero Año Nuevo a una Boricua maravillosa! The Eloquent Peasant!!
	Hola The Eloquent Peasant, wishing you the very best for you and yours in the new year 2021, Sincerely, tu amigo Tony the Marine (talk) 22:51, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I looked at your user page! Vote for me for president in 2024. (smile) Tony the Marine (talk) 23:13, 31 December 2020 (UTC) :>}[reply]

If you campaign on a BETTER NEW YEAR! I'll vote for you. If you promise me a cabinet position, I'll vote for you. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 23:15, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• You got it (smile) Tony the Marine (talk) 03:02, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your edits to the article on Buena Vista, Carolina, Puerto Rico --Pithon314 (talk) 13:01, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have a request. Could you look over the article Tony Santiago when you have the time? I was wondering if the "tag" placed in it was proper. I am not allowed to give my opinion on it and that is why I'm asking you to check it out. Gracias, Tony the Marine (talk) 05:22, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for adding a short desc. to the page, Screen printing ~ Apollogone (talk) 05:35, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@The Eloquent Peasant: Howday! It appears you seem to not understand the term "Not Blazon Specific", but its very simple so let me elaborate :). So first you must understand what a blazon is. A blazon is a heraldic description of an escutcheon or full achievement. They are written in order of elements in the escutcheon and by colour and number. Also colours are written in French which is pretty interesting. So let's say we are looking at a coat of arms with supporters, usually supporters in the blazon have a type of attitude (i.e rampant, guardant). So if the blazon lists a lions in the supporters, but it doesn't specify the attitude then that would be not blazon specific, therefore if you used any attitude for the supporters it would still be correct and following the blazon. This is why I stated in the previous arms that the belt wasn't "blazon specific". This is why I was easily frustrated over that Municipal coat of arms you see. It also doesn't help that majority of U.S agencies know nothing about heraldry smh. (Even the US Army Institute of Heraldry doesn't follow the rules of heraldry). That's all i wanted to say. Have a nice night mate! --Cookieman1.1.1 (talk) 03:15, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The History section in Wisconsin State Capitol is on the building itself not political events. This event "National Guard activated prior to 2021 presidential inauguration" was removed from the History section as event posted appears to be arbitrarily selected. Many events/protests/rallies/demonstrations occur and security has occurred multiple times at the capitol, not only in this case. If you are interested in the history protests/rallies/demonstrations/security issues at the capitol, I would recommend to expand your entry with a history of all of the significant events that have occurred at the Wisconsin State Capitol and create a new page for it then link to it from the Wisconsin State Capitol page.
Myotus (talk) 18:21, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Myotus: That makes perfect sense. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 18:24, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Stop me if you've heard this one, and tear me a new one if you disagree, but "Ravine" by Ace of Base is a truly decent example of highly synthetic music. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:02, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"The Golden Ratio" is corrupted by misinformative Autotune noise, though, it's pronounced "ray-SHE-oh". InedibleHulk (talk) 06:09, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@InedibleHulk: The only time I might tear someone a new one is if the one cup of coffee (I drink a day) didn't kick in when I catch them in the wrong.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 02:58, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Then I assume you agree or haven't heard this one. I drink two cups a day, but put in enough sugar to fill five Double Doubles. I see a snake proverb in the grass, a book about birds in the bush, but will keep my worthy counter in hand, some sleeping dogs are best left laid. I noticed your ping refers to this place as "her talk page", so want to clarify that I shall not amend my earlier reference to you as "brother". Everyone's a brother in Hulkspeak, not just dudes, and "sister" seems to imply I'm either a fellow woman or a condescending man (by my reading, anyway). But if that's a problem, I can simply call you "Peasant" as needed in the future. Also, I suggest training, eating your vitamins and believing in yourself, but don't preach it (and dropped "say your prayers" from my version of the Demandments altogether, for two implications, plus my one mania about trinity). Anyway, enjoy your coffee, take it how you make it! InedibleHulk (talk) 02:27, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@InedibleHulk: You can call me TEP. The Eloquent Peasant refers to the Puerto Rican Jíbaro, my parents are jíbaros. Someone once called me a peasant and I added eloquent to it. Do you have old parents? My parents are overwhelmed at the moment; alone, in PR and now my job is to get them out of there before another hurricane or earthquake strikes and before the raging pandemic gets them another calamity strikes. But the old man is stubborn and we'll see if we can talk him into moving. Gotta move their car, their dogs, some of their stuff and them nearer to us before they fall apart. Not an easy task but hoping we can accomplish it soon.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 03:00, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A double double sounds good and that's about how I take it but 3 sugars. That's why I try to limit it to just one cup. But to hell with that. From now on, I'm having two cups of Bustelo. Coffee gives you such a nice mood. Twice a day? I guess I can drink it twice a day. 24 grams of sugar. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 03:05, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My mom is safe and somewhat old in the sparsely-populated Northern Ontario, where large-scale acute disaster (rightly) fears to tread. My dad is currently trapped and dying in Southern Ontario, where things are traditionally known to get worse fast. Enjoy your new relative sugar rush, but as The Tragically Hip say, "ya gotta remember, the smarter you get, the further it's gonna go". InedibleHulk (talk) 03:24, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@InedibleHulk: I've been to Southern Ontario about 10 times - Mississauga where you can find Middle Eastern food markets a lot easier than here in the Southern US. Most of the time I don't get what you're saying but I'm encouraged to go drink a cup of coffee right now. I used to indulge A LOT more than that but you gotta remember the older you get, the tamer you get. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 03:34, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Madonna says "I can be your sister, I can be your mother, We can be friends.. I can even be your brother, but I'd rather be your lover". She's great.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 03:40, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My uncle built a home in a ravine. My dad built a home on kind of flat ground. It's difficult to find a flat land in PR. I bought something between a ravine and flat land and it has coffee trees and a breadfruit tree. Sorry about your dad.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 03:42, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I eat about a fifth of what I did back when my screenname made more sense and probably couldn't win a fair fight today even if I wanted to (I honestly doubt I can even still skate). Madonna definitely did more good than bad, in my opinion. I can admit that much more easily now that I'm tame, but always told some people so. Land is definitely cheaper up here, but the lack of ocean, sun and diverse markets is still an understandable dealbreaker to many. Not flat here like in the Prairies, but yeah, easy enough to find a solid foundation-sized patch. I'd gladly trade you two acres for one non-boring fruit tree, if I could. Only so many ways to slice chokecherries. My dad consumed the finest imports, had a good run toward the inevitable, no sorrow needed! InedibleHulk (talk) 05:02, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@InedibleHulk: that you "... honestly doubt you can even still skate" made me laugh a little, in Spanish ajaja and in English hahaha. The jíbaros can build a fantastic home on anything. They don't need flat land. It's hard to wrap my head around some of the places where I've seen homes. I took a long drive North to South Cordillera Central (Puerto Rico) once - was touring with my daughter and brother and after winding downward on a narrow stretch, circling endlessly downward and around for hours, I went a little hysterical and told them "well sorry but we're going to have to just establish ourselves here, you guys marry, and we'll start a life 'cause I can't make it out of here." The depths and heights are intense. Another time traveling upwards, and circling round, narrow mountains and by the time I was at the top, I thought "I can't come down, call the fire department. I'm staying here. I'll find a job". (I'm talking about PR). Dad consumed the finest imports as well along with Reggaeton. I could always call him with an important question like "Dad how do I get drunk fast?" He'd recommend something like Johnnie Walker Black Label. I'm a jíbara - I saved an avocado tree after it lurched its branches down towards me for a week so that I would notice that it needed saving, but that wasn't in PR. Huge tree needed help and - I love nature. I know Ontario can be a little gray sometimes but it's still beautiful... and now the coffee has worn off. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 05:24, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote a very beautiful (and humble) response, tying First Nations history into the richness of the white man's unfamiliarity with the variety of his surrounding terra borealis and early settlers getting stuck up on all manner of needles, sap and hauntingly familiar footprints. I was edit-conflicted, and needless to say, my weed has worn off. Suffice to say, I found your plan to adapt to an inescapable situation truly hysterical (in a funny way) and relatable (in a dark and nutty way). If I ever find my way back to an airport, I'd like to peer off a Puerto Rican precipice someday. Also invade those houses carved right into the mountains of what later became "Wile E. Coyote territory" out west. Also, dig Ireland! InedibleHulk (talk) 06:06, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is a conversation in my talk page which may interest you and your input. Tony the Marine (talk) 18:25, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Happy new year to you too! Sorry I didn't get a chance to respond back! Erick (talk) 21:00, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--Cookieman1.1.1 (talk) 15:21, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It appears you have !voted twice ([3] & [4]) at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lizbeth Robles. I suggest you merge the two together before something gets deleted. - wolf 02:10, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

آرمین هویدایی (talk) 23:36, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I've been working on a draft for the Bravo Family Foundation, a nonprofit organization that operates in Puerto Rico. I noticed that you are very active in editing and creating Puerto Rico-related articles, so I thought you might be willing to take a look at the draft and, if you think it's ready for inclusion, go ahead and move it to mainspace. (I would prefer not to do so myself because I have a conflict of interest.) Thanks in advance! MfrankTB (talk) 16:12, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• @MfrankTB: Thanks for contacting me. I looked at the article. I searched around for more refs. I think it can be published so I'll consider moving it shortly. Good night. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 04:45, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, The Eloquent Peasant,

Why did you do a cut-and-paste edit here rather than moving User:MfrankTB/Bravo Family Foundation to main space? It's important to retain the entire edit history for this article. You are very experienced and so this is a surprise. Maybe a history merge can be done. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:51, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz: I did not know that I should not do a cut and paste. I'm sorry about that. :( Now what should I do? --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 21:52, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Liz: Whenever I create a new article, even if I worked on it in my sandbox, I copy and paste it. Am I not supposed to do it that way even when I create it in my own sandbox first? I now understand that I should not copy and paste from someone else's because you mentioned it, but am I allowed to copy and paste from my own sandbox after I've worked on an article? How do I merge the history? Thanks and my apologies for the mess up.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 22:04, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's important for copyright reasons to be able to track the attribution of content. There is information about this at WP:CUTPASTE. I posted a History Merge tag on the Bravo Family Foundation page as I've only done one history merge myself so I'd like to get a more experienced admin to do it. I believe if you are the only editor working on a draft, it is okay for you to cut & paste it into article space. The problem occurs if there are multiple editors. In this case, it looks like you created the article and if there were problems, like a copyright violation, it could be important to know whether it was your work or MfrankTB's work. I hope this explains things a bit better. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:59, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz: Oh! I should have known that! ... Thanks for your help! I wasn't sure how to handle this Bravo article and I thought to ask at Tea House before I published it but I didn't. Have a nice summer! --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 00:03, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for your work on this! The parts you added to the article have definitely improved it. Question: Do you think the "notability" tag was appropriately placed? I thought the Foundation has more than enough significant coverage, especially taking into consideration the new sources that you added, plus this week's coverage of the Foundation's $250K donation to the victims of the Miami building collapse (sources: People, CB.pr). Thanks, MfrankTB (talk) 14:53, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@MfrankTB: As time passes, it will be clearer. I can not remove the notability tag and neither should you. Many articles are tagged with that notability question. I'll add the new information that you mentioned about the Miami building collapse / donation. There is no guarantee on any article on Wikipedia if or when it's notability is challenged. With time and more sources, some other editor can decide to remove the tag. Also, for notabiilty see here WP:NOTE. Regards! --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 15:10, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Understood re the notability tag. And please do go ahead and add the information about the donation following the building collapse, at your convenience. Thanks! MfrankTB (talk) 23:07, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Several months ago, I found out that the Puerto Rican government had introduced a new unified logo system that gradually rolled out to (almost) all agencies. I first noticed this in February 3 when the Health Department became the first agency to use the new logo system on their ad campaign promoting COVID-19 vaccination. BTW, I wouldn’t want to risk uploading them here in order to avoid getting in legal trouble for doing so. I had posted earlier (from a different IP, sorry) in Talk:Executive_branch_of_the_government_of_Puerto_Rico, but no one replied, so I came here to discuss this. I have also found the new logos on some of the agencies’ web pages and on their social media. For more information, the main logo is found at https://covid19datos.salud.gov.pr on the header, and the font used is Montserrat (download link is: https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Montserrat).

Thanks! 24.48.234.91 (talk) 02:53, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I’m still waiting for the reply, but I also just read that US federal government agencies’ logos are prohibited to upload without permission, but Wikipedia’s policy doesn’t specify on state-specific government agencies (referring to here in Puerto Rico). 24.50.204.2 (talk) 21:13, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I do not have much knowledge about the copyright laws of Puerto Rico and I do not work on logos. This here gives an overview of the relevant copyright laws re: P.R. http://www.thembj.org/2018/09/the-moral-rights-act-of-puerto-rico-an-analysis-on-how-the-moral-rights-of-puerto-rican-citizens-are-protected-on-local-and-foreign-soil/ but I'm afraid it probably doesn't answer your question. Do you have a specific question I might help you with? Thanks! --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 23:18, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I read the article you provided me and unfortunately this didn't answer my question. I was trying to say that I was thinking that if it would be possible to upload the new logos immediately (from somewhere they might be embedded) or should you request permission from the Government first before doing so. I'm pretty sure it would be the second one (asking for permission). 24.50.204.179 (talk) 04:27, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]