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"Elton's Song" banned from radio play?

The article claims that "Elton's Song" was banned from radio play in some countries. Which countries? The song wasn't even released as a single anywhere anyway. (The lyrics aren't explicit enough as to the theme of a same-sex relationship that the song shouldn't have been able to pass the censors. Keep in mind that four years later, Elton managed to make people believe that "Nikita" was about a woman.) --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:33, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm wondering about this too. Indeed, although it does sound likely that Tom Robinson and Elton John intended the song to be about two boys, nothing in the lyrics indicates or even implies the sex of either the narrator or the person "he" is singing about. Unfortunately, the cited source is a physical book, so without a copy I can't check whether there are additional details or a corroborating source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.8.160.123 (talk) 17:15, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The source does not back the claim. The closest it gets is a quote from Tom Robinson: "...when he made the video for 'Elton's Song', which was about a schoolboy crush at a public school, it had a younger boy being desperately in love with an older prefect, and it didn't pull any punches. I think the video itself got banned in America, but I don't think Elton was all that closeted."
That's the only mention of the song in the source. That a songwriter otherwise unassociated with the song thinks the video might have been banned is not worth mentioning, IMO, and certainly doesn't support the claim that the song "was banned from radio play in some countries due to its content". - SummerPhDv2.0 22:36, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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GA review

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Fox (Elton John album)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Elephantranges (talk · contribs) 16:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: LastJabberwocky (talk · contribs) 17:40, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm picking up your nomination! I did my pass through the article, tweaking format and hopefully uncontroversial phrasing. We can discuss the changes. LastJabberwocky (talk) 17:40, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Background

I think we should add clarity to this sentence: However, Lennon would be shot and killed on 8 December 1980. Elton started recording the album in 1979 and theoretically had time to collaborate, BUT Lennon's death ended the possibility of Elton-Lennon collaboration. To reiterate, this green sentence doesn't necessarily mean they didn't manage to record something in 1979-early 1980.

Writing and recording

Simplification. Hopefully, my version retained the same meaning. On the material retained from the first version of the album, the rhythm section of Reggie McBride (bass) and Alvin Taylor (drums) was used. → The instruments played by Reggie McBride (rhythm bass) and Alvin Taylor (drums) appeared on the first version of the album.

I removed the mention of the guitarists, since most of the personnel mentioned there have additional bits of information (previously recorded with Elton; members of Toto).

Release

Here: Moreover, MCA claimed ownership of The Fox and tried to file a restraining order against Geffen and Warner to prevent its release. The sentence says MCA (company) tried to file a restraining order against another companies. As far as I'm aware, restraining order can only be used in relation to a person. Can you clarify this one?

Personnel

Do we have information about particular contribution; credit each person with the particular songs they contributed to. For example, Discogs (unreliable source) lists Reggie McBride as a contributor to A1 and B2 songs.

Lead

The lead says that: "Retrospective reviews have been more positive, with reviewers noting the ambitious nature and diversity of the album". But the "Critical reception" section doesn't have more positive reviews and doesn't mention the "ambitious nature and diversity". Can you include these positive reviews in the article's body.

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LastJabberwocky (talk · contribs) Hi, thank you so much for taking a look at this! First of all, all the changes look good to me. As for the part about the restraining order, I'm not completely sure, that's just what the bio says. Could be something like this maybe: https://www.funkelawfirm.com/topics/business-restraining-order.

*thumbs-up* LastJabberwocky (talk) 18:42, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'll look for some more positive retrospective reviews because I do remember seeing them, but if I can't find them I'll just remove that from the lead altogether.

As for personnel, here's where it gets tricky: The original vinyl release does not credit the members of Toto, presumably due to legal issues. "Fascist Faces", for instance, just doesn't credit any drummer at all. However, the 1992 CD release does list those members in the credits section - but does not specify which songs. It's been a while since I checked but I believe that the Rosenthal biography also mentions Jeff Porcaro, Steve Lukather, etc. playing on the album, so there are sources to back it up, but I don't believe there's any way to properly cite individual song contributions.

I see, we can add a few, but cannot get an exhausting list. I found this sleeve listing a couple of contributions. LastJabberwocky (talk) 18:42, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As for Far Out Magazine, I have an American Songwriter article I could replace it with, is that source fine?

Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources likes American Songwriter, so it's all good! The discussion says that Far Out Magazine often just retells facts already mentioned by other magazines. LastJabberwocky (talk) 18:42, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again! Elephantranges (talk) 18:21, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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