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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United States proposed takeover of the Gaza Strip. I think this is probably going to end up at AfD pretty soon...I would probably vote "Keep" but this does seem to be an end run around the AfD process.Prezbo (talk) 02:38, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's only an "end run" if it was made by somebody who created this article with that intention. The creator of this article wasn't involved in the AfD. I can't see whether they ever edited the deleted article but it's perfectly plausible that they made this without knowing anything about the other article or the AfD.

Anyway, this article has a bad title. "ownership" is not a word we can use here as it will be contested. Trump says that he wants America to "buy" the land so it can "own" it but it is not clear who he thinks he can "buy" it from. It is very unlikely that anybody has any legal authority to sell it to him or that any alleged "purchase" would be recognised as valid under international law. I think that the title of the deleted article was much better, even if that might not be perfect either. My hope is that the other article will be undeleted and then this article can be merged into it. DanielRigal (talk) 00:34, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This did return to AfD and the result was "keep". Smallangryplanet (talk) 12:03, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

the first citation is someone from the Quincy institute. but then so is the second one. we need to diversify that second voice that comes in there. skakEL 20:54, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think it makes sense to cluster the Quincy stuff in one para, the rest of the section includes multiple and various voices. Smallangryplanet (talk) 12:05, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Potential American ownership of the Gaza Strip → Trump's 2025 Gaza Strip proposal – More precise title than the current one. Other alternatives can also be discussed here. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 02:11, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per nom. Article is specifically about Trump's recent proposal. The "2025" is optional as there is no similar proposal from another year. Station1 (talk) 02:36, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Good point, Trump's Gaza Strip proposal is probably better, per WP:CONCISE. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 06:28, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Donald Trump proposal for displacement of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip or a similar title. Donald Trump proposal for displacement of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip is the original title of this article (the first of the now three or four articles created to cover this topic), and it should be moved back to its original title. The focus should obviously be on the proposal (covered by this article) to displace millions of people, that has the most impact by far. Forced displacement is the neutral, standard term for this phenomenon and the title of the Wikipedia article on it. "Ownership" is a ridiculous and absurd word that is completely inappropriate in framing matters of sovereignty or the displacement of millions of people. It's the word a real estate businessman with no understanding of the matter would use. --Tataral (talk) 04:03, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Support alternate by @Tataral; this is a fair point. WP:RSs don't call the current proposal the "Trump Gaza Strip proposal" or "potential American ownership" and instead refer to it by the content of the proposal (forced displacement) for more clarity. "Donald Trump proposal for displacement of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip" makes an explicit reference to the content in a similar style to how news sources have referred to the subject, making it stronger than both the current title and the main proposal in the RM. Eelipe (talk) 02:56, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Not neutral. The actual proposal is for the United States to own and re-develop the Gaza Strip. The removal of Palestinians in the area would be a consequence of that. EucalyptusTreeHugger (talk) 11:33, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  No, that is not the "actual proposal." The proposal, the content of it, is very clearly for the forced displacement of Palestinians and annexation of the area. Those are the normal, recognized terms in international law and diplomacy for what is being proposed. "Own and re-develop" is how a real estate tycoon in New York would frame a real estate deal, but what he is proposing is a grave violation of international law, war crimes, and crimes against humanity. "Own and re-develop" is the spin of a real estate businessman with no understanding of the matter. --Tataral (talk) 17:58, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Personally I agree with all of this, but this is a POV and we need to keep the titles as neutral as possible. His proposal was vague, and there were conflicting answers to the forced displacement questions. So it is best to keep these outside of the title and cover them within the article body. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 18:29, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  No, what is POV is the framing of a proposal for forced displacement (or ethnic cleansing), invasion, and annexation as "re-development" or "ownership." Those are not encyclopedic terms to describe what is being proposed. It's propaganda. --Tataral (talk) 20:28, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Again, the proposal is too vague to be called a "forced displacement". Some statements indicate that it is, but some others indicate that it will be a voluntary displacement and some versions only emphasize the US annexation part. That's the reason I believe it would be the best to leave the title as "Trump's Gaza Strip proposal" and cover its potential implications in the article. I totally agree that "ownership" or "re-development" should not be included in the title either. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 06:33, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Either way, displacement is still correct based on all available statements even if the forced component has yet to be clarified. So "Donald Trump proposal for displacement of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip" would be valid and justifiable. Eelipe (talk) 07:01, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I think if we really want a more descriptive title, "US annexation" is the best option among the ones Tataral considers to be correct terminology. (Trump did not explicitly propose displacement of Palestinians, that is understood to be a consequence, so not sufficiently uncontroversial for a title. At least as long as we don't have a clear, detailed and official version of the proposal.) TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 18:56, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  "Displacement" is the word of consensus across WP:RSs, including those with slight pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian slants. No RSs calls it an "annexation proposal"; one can occupy a territory and displace its residents without annexing it (see West Bank). Similarly, no RSs call it "potential American ownership" and very few call it the "Trump Gaza plan." Some of the many headlines referencing the subject:

  • Politico: Trump proposes permanent displacement of Gazans

  • Washington Post: Trump proposes U.S. 'take over' Gaza, permanent displacement of residents

  • Times of Israel: Almost 2/3 of American Jews oppose Trump’s Gaza displacement plan – survey

  • Reuters: Trump proposes 'permanently' displacing Palestinians so U.S. can take over Gaza

  • Foreign Policy: Trump Doubles Down on Gaza Displacement Idea

  • CBC: Trump's Gaza displacement plan reignites Red Sea shipping concerns

  • The New Arab: Trump in 'no hurry' for Gaza displacement plan, describes it as 'real estate deal'

  • Haaretz: Trump, Flanked by Netanyahu, Backs Permanent Displacement of Palestinians From Gaza

  • Yedioth Ahronoth: Trump's Gaza displacement plan reignites Red Sea shipping concerns

  Donald Trump proposal for displacement of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip remains the most NPOV option among the proposed and current titles and is most in-line with what RSs call the plan. Eelipe (talk) 19:08, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for putting these together, but this compilation seems to have some confirmation bias. There are many sources that use the term "take-over" instead of annexation and many others simply call it Trump's Gaza proposal. Without cherry picking, the RS terminology choices are more diverse:

  • NPR: Trump’s Gaza proposal has rattled the Middle East. More surprises are likely
  • Jerusalem Post: US Jews oppose Gaza relocation plan, trust US gov't support for Israel, don't trust Trump.
  • Jerusalem Post: Trump’s bombshell: Reactions, feasibility of taking over, emptying Gaza - analysis
  • Times of Israel: Almost 2/3 of American Jews oppose Trump’s Gaza displacement plan – survey
  • Brookings: Trump’s proposal to “take over” Gaza would put Americans at risk of prosecution
  • Boston University: Trump Says the United States Should Seize and Develop Gaza. Is That a Good Idea?
  • Chatham House: Negotiating tactic or not, Trump’s Gaza plan has already done irreparable damage
  • American Jewish Committee: Unpacking Trump’s Gaza Plan
  • Amnesty International: President Trump’s claim that US will take over Gaza and forcibly deport Palestinians appalling and unlawful
  • NPR: Trump says the U.S. will 'take over' Gaza and relocate its people. What does it mean?

  TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 20:49, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I appreciate your concern, but the list was simply in reference to the wide range of RSs that do call it displacement, hence why none of the sources called it other names. Also per your new list, AJC - as an advocacy group - is not a WP:RS. Eelipe (talk) 05:33, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per nom, and per Tataral ("Ownership" is a ridiculous and absurd word that is completely inappropriate in framing matters of sovereignty or the displacement of millions of people. It's the word a real estate businessman with no understanding of the matter would use), and I also support Donald Trump's proposal for the displacement of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip (same as Tataral's preferred title, with the possessive and the definite article).—Alalch E. 09:03, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Partial support. It's an improvement but I'm not sure that it is quite right. Getting rid of "ownership" is definitely good but I'm not sure about "Trump's". If the proposal is being made as a US Government proposal then we should say that. If not, and it is just Trump talking personally, which I very much doubt, then we should use his full name. I'd be inclined to suggest something along the lines of "United States 2025 Gaza Strip proposal". --DanielRigal (talk) 13:06, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose or Compromise - I chose "ownership" for the title since in the initial proposal Trump stated the intent to "own" the territory. I think the title should at least detail what the proposal/intent is (ownership, acquisition etc.). EucalyptusTreeHugger (talk) 19:23, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I propose Donald Trump's proposal for the annexation of the Gaza Strip by the United States as a reasonable compromise. (The annexation component of the proposal is uncontroversial and seems to be considered a correct term by Tataral to describe what is proposed.) TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 21:22, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Support alt version per @Tataraland @Alalch E. (with the possessive/definite article). "Ownership" is indeed a strange word-choice and hit and miss in terms of WP:COMMONTERM. There's been some debate on this page over if the proposal was just Trump's or the US government, so I think if we can find some RS making it clear that the broader US govt is proposing this we could do "United States' proposal for the displacement of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip". Smallangryplanet (talk) 12:00, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Support alt version- Why not just rename the article "2025 American proposal for management of Gaza Strip"? Calling it Trump's proposal makes it seem like it's just him wanting it when it has the backing of his administration.

TheFloridaTyper (talk) 15:38, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Management"? Super Ψ Dro 18:37, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Support alt version. In particular I would suggest Donald Trump displacement and annexation plan for the Gaza Strip. Super Ψ Dro 18:37, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I support this version, or any version that either includes terms addressing both displacement and annexation, or omits both. (If only one of the concepts will be emphasized, it should be annexation, since that was what the proposal was originally centered around.) TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 18:44, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I would be amenable to this. Eelipe (talk) 19:33, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest Proposed United States acquisition of the Gaza Strip, mirroring Proposed United States acquisition of Greenland. This accurately describes the proposal as widely reported, and avoids use of the term “annexation” which is somewhat inaccurate (given the proposal is for the US to “own” Gaza, rather than for Gaza to be incorporated into the US. Rafts of Calm (talk) 21:01, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Currently the Wikipedia article does not talk about the forced displacement and annexation aspects much at all (other than the Reactions section). I would encourage Wikipedia editors to expand the Wikipedia article so that the new proposed title reflects annexation and displacement (those two words are not used as often in the article as proposal), if that is the desired title. Currently, the article seems to be about Trump’s proposal. I also wanted to point out that the user Eelipe has recently been blocked as a suspected sock puppet, so I am not sure if their comments should be struck out. Wafflefrites (talk) 23:05, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Support change Align with Wikidata Trump plan for the Gaza Strip (Q132159574). There are already 6 other Wikipedia language versions with translations of this concept, and the core idea is that there is a plan, not that the plan is so specific. Bluerasberry (talk) 22:32, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]