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Move page to "Nintendo Switch (console)" and repurpose old page name for Switch brand

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result was to not split. I see a clear consensus that the release of the Nintendo Switch 2 isn't enough to justify a "brand" deserving of its own article until a 3rd Nintendo Switch or related console comes out. (non-admin closure) The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1(The Garage) 18:31, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nintendo seems to be trying to turn the "Switch" name into a brand similar to "PlayStation" and "Xbox" since the Switch's successor is just called the Switch 2. I propose moving the current Nintendo Switch page to a separate "(console)" page and repurposing the old page for the Nintendo Switch brand. Zenphia1 (talk) 21:35, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • What would even go in such an article that wouldn't already be in the Switch 1 or Switch 2 article? I don't understand how it a brand/series article wouldn't be completely redundant, nor does the proposal explain this. Sergecross73 msg me 23:52, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, as such an additional article would have no additional value yet. Perhaps in the future, when the "Switch" brand really develops into a line of numerous (at least 3) consoles, excluding mere hardware revisions, and there's reception about it, having an overview article would make sense, in which case we can discuss it again. Until then, the article Nintendo video game consoles provides a good overview of all Nintendo consoles. Maxeto0910 (talk) 00:19, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
With regard to that: I also think the "Product family" parameter in the infobox should be left empty for now to avoid confusion, as it serves no purpose at all and is arguably even wrong; there is no "Switch product family" yet, there's only one Switch console with some hardware revisions, which Nintendo collectively refers to as the Switch family, but this obviously isn't meant with the infobox parameter as this would be a tautology since the infobox already covers all the Switch revisions as well. Maxeto0910 (talk) 00:50, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Sergecross73 msg me 00:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2025

Separate "predecessor" line into "home console", leaving wii u there as is and adding "portable" (or whatever other word is suitable) and adding 3ds (new 3ds) there, since switch unifies both nintendo console lines, thanks Kimurr (talk) 19:54, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Please see this page's archives, requests to list the 3DS as a processor have not be supported, in part that Nintendo said only the Wii U was considered the processor unit for the Switch. --Masem (t) 19:59, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Update Sales

We need to update the hardware sales to 150.86 million, and the software sales to 1,359.80 million units. GuyUser81 (talk) 17:50, 4 February 2025 (UTC) https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard_soft/index.html[reply]

Technical Specs table update

Regarding this edit, I personally think the table was much easier to read with the extra columns. I pulled up both revisions of the page, and found that both tables appear to take up about the same space. As such, I wish to discuss putting it back how Arkhandar had it. Darkage7[Talk] 16:25, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The main problem is that when one purchases a switch they really don't have a choice of the v1 or v2 hardware, compared to buying the OG switch, the switch lite or the OLED switch. While we can document the small hw revisions, treating them as a separate product is misleading. And given that only two or three lines change between these, it's far better to just add both in one cell than make several additional cells via a new column. Masem (t) 16:29, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't a buyer's guide, so your first point is moot. As to the rest, I think it's just a question of readability, and I would disagree with your conclusion. But I'll leave it to others to reach consensus, my vote is out there. Darkage7[Talk] 16:35, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's more that Nintendo never made any distinction between v1 and v2 of the base switch, the latter is just a small hw refresh that Nintendo swapped in for later shipments. — Masem (t) 16:46, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) I'm pretty sure Masem knows about NOTGUIDE/NOTCATALOGUE. I believe his point may have been more that its getting into crufty/trivial territory with some of these minor details, which I can see the merit in. I'm not totally opposed to Arkhandar's changes, but I am a bit weary of it - it in itself isn't too bad, but a lot of times editors do this a number of times over and all of a sudden the chart is a bloated mess. Sergecross73 msg me 16:49, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can't make an unbiased judgement regarding this, but I think it's worth to point out that the separate columns might be more WP:ACCESIBILITY when compared to the unbulleted lists inside some of the table cells. ~ Arkhandar (message me) 16:40, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

8th/9th gen console or 8th gen console?

Respectfully, I'd like to point out some reasons why I think it should be mentioned as "eighth generation" rather than "eighth/ninth generation" in the infobox.

After skimming through the reference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch#cite_note-1), I found only 2 sentences mentioning the Nintendo Swtich console. Which is, I quote, "The Switch has now thrived across two console generations" and "Nintendo is now so firmly marching to the beat of its own drum that it no longer aligns with either Sony or Microsoft when it comes to console launches."

As the only reference for "ninth gen", the article is not solid enough. Because the concept "generation" is more commonly used to depict "when something first appear", Like Gen Y or Gen Z. Also in Ninth generation of video game consoles, ninth gen console is defined as "began in November 2020 with the releases of Microsoft's Xbox Series X and Series S console family and Sony's PlayStation 5." So "thrived across two generations" does not necessarily mean we should mention it as both eighth gen and ninth gen console, same as we don't call a person that born in boomers age but lived through zoomers age a "boomer/zoomer".

The reference tooltip says "The Switch has been compared and considered to compete with consoles of both the eighth and ninth generation by sources." I think it is safe to conclude from the article to this (the tooltip), but "it's been compared and considered to compete with ninth gen" does not necessarily make it a ninth gen console. Since there haven't been any generational changes happening in the Switch family.

Considering the continuous support and upgraded models like Switch OLED, I think the Switch family is more suitable to be put as "a eighth gen game console with continuous support and constant updates." MaxHasBeenUsed (talk) 06:33, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I understand the difference you're trying to make between the designations of between "part of a generation" and "competes with others in the generation". Conceptually, I'm not following how you can assert something is competing in a generation but not part of it. Sergecross73 msg me 11:52, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your reply. That is exactly the center of the debate and I'm trying my best to make my point clear.
I made a example about how we describe generations of human. A "boomer" still in competition with "zoomers" in a job market does not make them a "boomer/zoomer". Instead we call them "remain competitive".
In the dictionary, the definition of generation is "all the living things in a group that are born or start to exist at about the same time, and are related to one that existed at an earlier point in time". The point is we tend to categorize "generation" by start time, not end time.
Moreover, If "is able to compete" is the criteria of dividing generations, then maybe we need a clearer definition of "competitive". For example a source here indicates that as of April 2024, there are approximately same amount of PS4 still in active use as PS5, recording around 60% of total play time compared to PS5. With a much lower price in second-hand market, PS4 is still a cost-effective choice for tight budget players. If we equal this "longevity" to "competitive", and "competitive" to "part of generation" we should mark PS4 as a eighth/ninth gen console as well. MaxHasBeenUsed (talk) 03:37, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's all reasonable, but the largest aspect is that we want to let reliable sources to tell us the bounds of what the generations are, instead of using any of these definitions of what a generation is to come up with our own organization as to what belongs in that generation. Masem (t) 04:20, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's fair enough. I've done some more research and turns out the debate has been happening for quite some time, and there's no definite conclusion yet. Like the source said, "Nintendo is now so firmly marching to the beat of its own drum that it no longer aligns with either Sony or Microsoft when it comes to console launches."
The reason I'm posting in the first place is that I don't think that only reference article can fully support "ninth". Maybe we can add some more references to further clear the ambiguity. MaxHasBeenUsed (talk) 01:54, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You're using the wrong definition of generation here though. We're talking about commercial products, not living things. Sergecross73 msg me 11:41, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Technically not the most accurate definition, yes. But there's also "A generation is also a group of products or machines that are all at the same stage of development". So same logic. MaxHasBeenUsed (talk) 01:44, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Errr sure. But here's the problem. This is a unique situation. Everything will be discounted if we get bogged down in semantics and technicalities. There's also people who argue 8th gen is impossible, because you couldn't have 2 systems from the same company in the same generation (Wii U and Switch), because, similar to you, they argue it doesn't match the definition of a generation. Sergecross73 msg me 02:24, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For what it's worth, GFK (a company that tracks video game sales in europe) considers the Switch to be an Gen 9 console.
This article about sales in France in 2019 attests to this.(https://nielseniq.com/global/fr/insights/report/2020/gaming-2019-recul-du-ca-hardware-jeux-physiques/) "Gen8 physical equipment or games have literally plummeted, by -44% and -29% respectively, while the first Gen 9 offers are attracting and have delivered +5% for consoles and +33% for games." since it's about 2019 Gen 9 can only reffert to Nintendo Switch.
Here we have sales breackdown of consoles in France in 2020 and 2021 according to GFK (https://cedric-le-lion.imgbb.com/?page=7&seek=b218h4G) according to the table 91% of the consoles sold in France in 2021 (2057k out of 2262k) were Gen 9. We also known still from GFK that 58% of consoles sold in France in 2021 were Switch (https://www.challenges.fr/entreprise/tech-numerique/la-switch-de-nintendo-bientot-console-la-plus-vendue-de-l-histoire-en-france_797058) "More than one in two consoles sold in France in 2021 was a Switch (58%) according to Gfk."
These 2 elements show that GFK considers the Switch as a Gen 9 console
The US tracking firm (NPD/circana) don't use the numerical generation system.
As of March 2017 the clasification was:
PS4/XB1/Switch => "current gen" / PS3/360/Wii U => "Legacy" / Evrything else => "Historical". (https://web.archive.org/web/20190912125404/https://twitter.com/MatPiscatella/status/839952513797193728)
In 2023 Circana refert to Switch as the same gen as PS5/XBS like here (https://www.tweaktown.com/news/94955/market-sales-dip-prompts-steep-playstation-and-xbox-price-discounts/index.html) "All current generation consoles experienced a double-digit percentage decline in dollar sales when compared to a year ago, with Nintendo Switch showing the sharpest drop year-on-year."
Both NPD/Circana and GFK don't clasify Switch as the same Gen as Wii U.
Imo the only options are either to clasify Switch as Gen 9 or to drop numerical generations system (this option would affect all other systems). Astral lion02 (talk) 11:27, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Or we do what we have been doing, stating the Switch is considered an 8th generation console but also sometimes as a 9th generation. Masem (t) 13:06, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Or stick with the current approach, which incorporates a wide swath of reliable sources. And for the record, dropping the generation system has been attempted before, but it never gets a consensus. And rewriting it to a new organization would be a massive undertaking, difficult in both scope and editors not agreeing on how to do it. Everyone has an opinion on it, but few would actually put the work in. Sergecross73 msg me 14:49, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall if nothing get consensus I guess it give no choice other than staying with the current organisation. Astral lion02 (talk) 18:05, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2025

Nintendo Switch is a nintendo console that lasted 8 years from (2025) And some leaks for the switch 2 leaks are stuff so we may still be able to accsess some stuff or switch may be used as a wii-u of some sort. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rupo012 (talk • contribs) 16:02, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say or want to be done about all this? Sergecross73 msg me 17:34, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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