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The opening paragraph is clearly a baldly false statement. Whilst it is 'widely believed' or taken as accepted that he was the assassin of Kennedy, be this as a conclusion of official investigations or later historical work, it is wholly impossible to definitively state that he 'was' the assassin. The example given in the talk page yellow box offers 'John Wilkes Booth' as a comparable example. This is invalid, since Booth was actually recorded as being in Lincoln's theatre box, and was seen committing the act by eyewitnesses! This cannot be said for Oswald. The comparison is absurd.
'Accepted as being..' or 'Charged with...' or 'Widely believed to be..' are about as much as can be justifiably stated. Anything else is wilful misinformation. Daisne (talk) 01:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See the talkpage archives. Your recommendations on watering-down the lead contradict the consensus of reliable sources, no matter what the disparate assertions of conspiracy enthusiasts may claim. The FAQ is there because there are a lot of people who insist that Oswald's rights to a presumption of innocence survive his death, which is legalistic nonsense, hence the comparison to Booth's case. Proposals rehashing old arguments will go nowhere. Acroterion(talk)13:40, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps the FAQ section in this talkpage should have a third point about the validity of him being the assassin. I dont believe a majority of people who take issue with the opening line of the lead stating he is the assassin are taking issue specifically that he cant be *legally* called the assassin, just that it's said he is so bluntly. I believe this would be good to add. AssanEcho (talk) 23:33, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's a great idea! I think that and a third question would drastically reduce the amount of people who'd have a kneejerk reaction to the lead, since it would show that editors are aware of the alternative viewpoints and aren't just saying he's the assassin due to a bias or shilling, ect. Anyone else who would still make a topic on this talkpage against the lead would likely be people with a more constructive argument or be such a tiny group they can be much more easily be dealt with. AssanEcho (talk) 04:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems a lot of Wikipedia editors struggle with simple logic and as a result make glaring logicial-linguistic errors; or persist in maintaining the ones made. Which is probably why you are all offering the usual meaningless 'solutions' based in protocol rather than reason. No-one is disputing the long-held view that Oswald is the presumed assassin.
I spend a lot of my time on here fixing obvious linguistic errors only for many to be reverted by people who can't seem to read properly. It often looks a lot like Wikipedia is strongly determined to be an amateurish source of information purely for the sake of its wrong-headed protocol. Daisne (talk) 18:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I find your reply unnecessarily aggressive. You can state your issue with me, other editors or the methodology and whatelse that we/they use without needing to assert that anyone stuggles with "simple logic". It is extremely clear that numerous editors and IPs (many of whom don't contribute and only made a topic just to) contest that Oswald is the assassin. here [1], here [2], here [3] and here [4] you can all find individuals contesting that Oswald is the assassin, this is without even mentioning the avalanche of people who dont contest it but want to just put "allegedly" in the first sentence, who are so numerous that I don't even feel the need to point you in the archives, check any one of them and youll find tons of examples.
I'm sorry that I was not more clear that in my original first post here that you are not among the people who do not believe that he was not the assassin. I was simply suggesting something else to improve the talk page using the replies to you as a jumping off point. AssanEcho (talk) 00:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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This page should say “Accused killer of president Kennedy” it’s not a definite, he was never convicted.. 2601:19C:4301:5F20:19CF:EC8F:20B2:97AD (talk) 12:12, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not done Several formal investigations have concluded he was the assassin of President Kennedy. There is no claim made that he was convicted of a crime in a trial. You are free to disagree with these conclusions, but they are what they are. You would need to establish a WP:CONSENSUS to change this phrasing, and successfully doing so is unlikely. 331dot (talk) 12:16, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Not done Several formal investigations have concluded he was the assassin of President Kennedy. There is no claim made that he was convicted of a crime in a trial. You are free to disagree with these conclusions, but they are what they are. You would need to establish a WP:CONSENSUS to change this phrasing, and successfully doing so is unlikely. 331dot (talk) 12:16, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
The redirect Oswald the Lone Assassin has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 February 23 § Oswald the Lone Assassin until a consensus is reached. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:20, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
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