Template:Vital article

Article milestones Date Process Result March 9, 2005 Featured article candidate Not promoted January 19, 2006 Good article nominee Listed July 5, 2006 Good article reassessment Kept November 16, 2006 Featured article candidate Not promoted May 3, 2007 Good article reassessment Delisted June 11, 2007 Peer review Reviewed October 3, 2007 Good article nominee Not listed

This article has not yet been rated on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to multiple WikiProjects.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. European history B‑class High‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject European history, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the history of Europe on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.European historyWikipedia:WikiProject European historyTemplate:WikiProject European historyEuropean history B This article has been rated as B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale. Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Germany B‑class Top‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Germany, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Germany on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.GermanyWikipedia:WikiProject GermanyTemplate:WikiProject GermanyGermany B This article has been rated as B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. Top This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale. Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Jewish history B‑class Top‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Jewish history, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Jewish history on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Jewish historyWikipedia:WikiProject Jewish historyTemplate:WikiProject Jewish historyJewish history-related B This article has been rated as B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. Top This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale. Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Israel B‑class High‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Israel, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Israel on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IsraelWikipedia:WikiProject IsraelTemplate:WikiProject IsraelIsrael-related B This article has been rated as B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale. Project Israel To Do: Here are some tasks awaiting attention: Assess : Rate the Unassessed Israel-related articles and Unknown-importance Israel-related articles. Cleanup : Cleanup listing for this project is available. See also the list by category and the tool's wiki page. Collaborate : Participate in WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration. Copyedit : Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict in 2005 Deletion sorting : Participate in discussions at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Israel. Expand : Ayala Procaccia, Diamond industry in Israel, Edna Arbel, Levin Kipnis, Rami Kleinstein, Sephardic Haredim, Zman Tel Aviv, Nachum Heiman, Public Defence (Israel), Prisoner of Zion, Trial of Benjamin Netanyahu, Day to Mark the Departure and Expulsion of Jews from the Arab Countries and Iran, Pre-Modern Aliyah See also Articles needing translation from Hebrew Wikipedia. Geographical coordinates : Add geographic coordinates to Israel articles missing geocoordinate data. Infobox : Add infoboxes to Israel articles needing infoboxes. Maintain : See Israel articles needing attention. Map : See discussion at Module:Location map/data/Israel. Add maps to articles in Wikipedia requested maps in Israel. NPOV : Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries Photo : Add pictures to articles in Wikipedia requested photographs in Israel. Stubs : See Israel stubs. Update : Basic Law proposal: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People Other : Translate to Hebrew : David Bar-Hayim, Guy Bavli, and Guy Oseary. Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Judaism B‑class Top‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Judaism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Judaism-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.JudaismWikipedia:WikiProject JudaismTemplate:WikiProject JudaismJudaism B This article has been rated as B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. Top This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale. Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. LGBTQ+ studies B‑class This article is of interest to WikiProject LGBTQ+ studies, which tries to ensure comprehensive and factual coverage of all LGBTQ-related issues on Wikipedia. For more information, or to get involved, please visit the project page or contribute to the discussion.LGBTQ+ studiesWikipedia:WikiProject LGBTQ+ studiesTemplate:WikiProject LGBTQ+ studiesLGBTQ+ studies B This article has been rated as B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Discrimination B‑class Top‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Discrimination, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Discrimination on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.DiscriminationWikipedia:WikiProject DiscriminationTemplate:WikiProject DiscriminationDiscrimination B This article has been rated as B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. Top This article has been rated as Top-importance on the importance scale. Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Death B‑class High‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Death, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Death on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.DeathWikipedia:WikiProject DeathTemplate:WikiProject DeathDeath B This article has been rated as B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale. Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Human rights B‑class High‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Human rights, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Human rights on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Human rightsWikipedia:WikiProject Human rightsTemplate:WikiProject Human rightsHuman rights B This article has been rated as B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale. Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Disaster management B‑class Top‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Disaster management, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Disaster management on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Disaster managementWikipedia:WikiProject Disaster managementTemplate:WikiProject Disaster managementDisaster management B This article has been rated as B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. Top This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale. Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Religion B‑class High‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Religion, a project to improve Wikipedia's articles on Religion-related subjects. Please participate by editing the article, and help us assess and improve articles to good and 1.0 standards, or visit the wikiproject page for more details.ReligionWikipedia:WikiProject ReligionTemplate:WikiProject ReligionReligion B This article has been rated as B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale. Military history: World War II B‑class This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history B This article has been rated as B-class on the project's quality scale. Associated task forces: /  World War II task force Template:WP1.0

Has there been any discussion of the dates given for the Holocaust in this article, line 1, 1941-45? revrob (talk) 15:31, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

1941 is way too late—and this isn’t my opinion. It’s well-supported that 1933 is a more proper date—if not before. Refer to: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/an-introductory-history-of-the-holocaust, https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/holocaust-remembrance-day/when-did-the-holocaust-begin-1.5323231 and https://www.historyhit.com/when-did-the-holocaust-start-key-dates-and-timeline/. jareha 20:29, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

From the footnotes in this article:

Ronnie S. Landau (The Nazi Holocaust: Its History and Meaning, 1992): "The Holocaust involved the deliberate, systematic murder of approximately 6 million Jews in Nazi-dominated Europe between 1941 and 1945."

Timothy D. Snyder (Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin, 2010): "In this book the term Holocaust signifies the final version of the Final Solution, the German policy to eliminate the Jews of Europe by murdering them. Although Hitler certainly wished to remove the Jews from Europe in a Final Solution earlier, the Holocaust on this definition begins in summer 1941, with the shooting of Jewish women and children in the occupied Soviet Union. The term Holocaust is sometimes used in two other ways: to mean all German killing policies during the war, or to mean all oppression of Jews by the Nazi regime. In this book, Holocaust means the murder of the Jews in Europe, as carried out by the Germans by guns and gas between 1941 and 1945.

Nazi persecution of Jews ("the Holocaust era") began in earnest in 1933, but historians tend to restrict the date of "the Holocaust" to a more narrow range. Jayjg ^(talk) 20:37, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I belive that some info on the holocaust is wrong — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.44.118.235 (talk) 03:39, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For example? Mathglot (talk) 03:58, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tried to highlight this sentence is either wrong or should be reworded. Didn't understand your answer Jack90s15's ("Not dubious it was that High the death rate".) I cannot check if this statement is in the source mentioned after the next sentence (Bauer & Rozett 1990, pp. 1799–1802), but this statement contradicts the fact that ~20% Jews were killed in Occupied France, and ~25% in the occupied Italian Social Republic (unfortunately high, but not "almost all Jews".) Azerty82 (talk) 17:09, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Almost all Jews within areas occupied by the Germans were killed. Such as in Poland @Azerty82:, it does so after that, "there were 3,020,000 Jews in the Soviet Union in 1939, and the losses were 1–1.1 million.{{sfn|Bauer|Rozett|1990|pp=1799–1802}} The Einsatzgruppen killed around one million Jews in mass shootings in the occupied Soviet territories." Jack90s15 (talk) 17:18, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

what I'm trying to say is that: if this statement is true for most countries occupied by Germany, this is not true of all of them. The whole of France and northern Italy were military occupied by the Germans from 43 to 45 and not "almost all Jews within [that] areas occupied by the Germans were killed" Azerty82 (talk) 17:24, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A word of caution regarding survival statistics - they often include survivors who fled the occupied zone (and in some case - even those from before the Nazi occupation) - e.g. The Holocaust in Poland - survivors who remained inside Poland (loosely defined) during the war number roughly 40,000 (vs. 3 million casulties). Counting people who escaped Poland (and in some cases - people who were deported by the Soviets in 1939-1941 from former Eastern Poland) - you get up to 350,000 survivors (estimates vary). Italy and France are exceptions. It is complex. Denmark is perhaps the most famous in this regard - Rescue of the Danish Jews - very few (or even no?) Jews remained in Denmark following the evacuation to outside the Nazi occupation zone. Icewhiz (talk) 17:28, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I had your word of caution in mind before editing the page. That why I mentioned Italy and France knowing they would undoubtedly contradict the statement. Even if we look at the overall scope of the Holocaust, this would be "most" and not "almost all" Azerty82 (talk) 17:37, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

but it is true when looking at the overall scope of the HolocaustJack90s15 (talk) 17:34, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

for the deaths it was all most all

Albania

Jewish population in 1937: approximately 200 Deaths: unknown Austria

Jewish population of Austria in 1938: 185,026 Deaths: 65,459 Belgium

Jewish population of Belgium in 1939: 90,000 Deaths: 24,387 Bulgaria

Jewish population of Bulgaria in 1937: 50,000 Deaths: unknown Czechoslovakia

Jewish population of Czechoslovakia in 1921: 354,000 Deaths: 260,000

Sudetenland Jewish population in 1939: 2,363 Deaths: at least 360

Bohemia-Moravia Jewish population in 1930: 117,551 Deaths: 77,297

Slovakia Jewish population in 1940: 88,951 Deaths: approximately 60,000

Hungarian-occupied Southern Slovakia and Subcarpathian Rus Jewish population in 1939: 142,000–148,000 Deaths: 114,000–120,000 Denmark

Jewish population of Denmark in 1937: 7,500 Deaths: 52–116 Estonia

Jewish population of Estonia in 1937: 4,500 Deaths: 963 France

Jewish population of France in 1937: 300,000–330,000 Deaths: 72,900–74,000 Germany

Jewish population of Germany in 1939: 237,723 Deaths: 165,200 Greece

Jewish population of Greece in 1941: 71,611 Deaths: 58,800–65,000

Bulgarian-Occupied Thrace Deaths: 4,221 Hungary

Jewish population of Hungary in 1937: 490,621 Deaths: 297,621

Hungary (borders of 1941) Jewish population: 825,007 Deaths: 564,507 Italy

Jewish population of Italy in 1938: 58,412 Jewish population in German-occupied Italy: approximately 43,000 Deaths: 7,858 Latvia

Jewish population of Latvia in 1939: 93,479 Deaths: 70,000 Lithuania

Jewish population of Lithuania in 1937: 153,000 Deaths: 130,000 Luxembourg

Jewish population of Luxembourg in May 1940: 3,500–5,000 Deaths: 1,200 Netherlands

Jewish population of the Netherlands in May 1940: 140,245 Deaths: 102,000 Norway

Jewish population of Norway in April 1940: approximately 1,800 Deaths: at least 758 Poland

Jewish population of Poland in 1937: 3,350,000 Deaths: 2,770,000–3,000,000 Romania

Jewish population of Romania in 1930: 756,930 Deaths: 211,214–260,000

Hungarian-occupied Northern Transylvania Deaths: 90,295

Bessarabia and Bukovina Jewish population in 1930: 314,000 Jewish population in 1941: 185,000 Deaths: 103,919–130,000 Soviet Union

Jewish population of the Soviet Union in 1939: 3,028,538 Deaths: approximately 1,340,000 Yugoslavia

Jewish population of Yugoslavia in 1941: 82,242 Deaths: 67,228

Slovenia (German-occupied) Jewish population in 1937: 1,500 Deaths: 1,300

Serbia with Banat and Sandžak (German-occupied) Jewish population in 1937: 17,200 Deaths 15,060

Macedonia (Bulgarian-occupied) Jewish population in 1941: 7,762 Deaths: 6,982

Pirot, Serbia (Bulgarian-occupied) Deaths: 140

Albanian-annexed Kosovo Jewish population in 1937: 550 Deaths: 210

Croatia with Dalmatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina Jewish population in 1937: 39,400 Deaths: 30,148

Montenegro (German-occupied) Jewish population in 1937: 30 Deaths: 28

Backa and Baranja (Hungarian-annexed) Jewish population in 1937: 16,000 Deaths: 13,500

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/jewish-losses-during-the-holocaust-by-country

Jack90s15 (talk) 17:41, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should provide a precise figure to replace "almost all". In mind mind it means 90-95%, but not everyone seems to share the same definition Azerty82 (talk) 20:55, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nazi Germany killed approximately 6 million of the 9.5 million Jews in pre-war Europe. Of the 3.5 million who weren't killed, most were living in the USSR or USSR-occupied Poland (and escaped east), or in various areas of Europe that were never occupied by Germany. Other Jews managed to escaped Nazi Germany and the areas it occupied, so weren't actually "within areas occupied by the Germans were killed". When you add it all up, that means "Almost all Jews within areas occupied by the Germans were killed". "Almost all" followed by the specific numbers (as are listed in the article) is fine. Jayjg ^(talk) 21:30, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]