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:quote - ''Between 1941 and 1945, [[Nazi Germany]] and [[The Holocaust#Collaboration|its collaborators]] systematically murdered some [[Holocaust victims|'''six million''']] [[Jews]] across [[German-occupied Europe]] ''- <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:GizzyCatBella|<span style="color:#40">'''GizzyCatBella'''</span>]][[User talk:GizzyCatBella|<span style="color:transparent;text-shadow:0 0 0 red;font-size:80%">🍁</span>]]</span></small> 15:08, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
:quote - ''Between 1941 and 1945, [[Nazi Germany]] and [[The Holocaust#Collaboration|its collaborators]] systematically murdered some [[Holocaust victims|'''six million''']] [[Jews]] across [[German-occupied Europe]] ''- <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:GizzyCatBella|<span style="color:#40">'''GizzyCatBella'''</span>]][[User talk:GizzyCatBella|<span style="color:transparent;text-shadow:0 0 0 red;font-size:80%">🍁</span>]]</span></small> 15:08, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
:Many Jews were shot outside the camps, Holocaust by Bullets. [[User:Xx236|Xx236]] ([[User talk:Xx236|talk]]) 09:05, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
:Many Jews were shot outside the camps, Holocaust by Bullets. [[User:Xx236|Xx236]] ([[User talk:Xx236|talk]]) 09:05, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

== The picture ==

The picture shows 'Jews from Subcarpathian Rus (then part of Hungary)'. The caption 'Hungarian Jews' may be unsourced. [[User:Xx236|Xx236]] ([[User talk:Xx236|talk]]) 09:18, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

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    Former good articleThe Holocaust was one of the History good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
    Article milestones
    DateProcessResult
    March 9, 2005Featured article candidateNot promoted
    January 19, 2006Good article nomineeListed
    July 5, 2006Good article reassessmentKept
    November 16, 2006Featured article candidateNot promoted
    May 3, 2007Good article reassessmentDelisted
    June 11, 2007Peer reviewReviewed
    October 3, 2007Good article nomineeNot listed
    Current status: Delisted good article

    Change name to simply "Holocaust"

    The name of the article as of 26/8/2022 is "The Holocaust". However most other Wikipedia article titles don't have "the"٫ and this should be no different. I understand it might be to avoid leading the reader to believe that it's not a matter of "A Holocaust" but rather of "The Holocaust". But like I said earlier٫ if you look at pretty much any other Wikipedia title٫ they don't use "the". GenZenny (talk) 03:18, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    'The Holocaust' is common usage. Titles follow subjects, not other articles. See also previous discussions on the question, linked in the header above. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:21, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Check the move log in the header of the talk page; the title change has been litigated several times over the years. aismallard (talk) 16:23, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Six million is the wrong number of victims

    The Holocaust was the persecution of various ethnic groups, but primarily Jews. You can see here that there is probably around 15 million victims in total, if it is around the low end estimate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

    It should be mentioned in the lede that it was a state-sponsored "ethnic cleansing" of various ethnicities, but of course Jews were the primary target. It is kind of weird that this is not mentioned in the lede section, considering how vital this article is. 2003:F0:F30:C00:F8CF:CA1C:AA4A:D408 (talk) 19:16, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    The reason for that is in the lede: "The Holocaust, also known as the Shoah, was the genocide of European Jews during World War II." and further down "The Holocaust is understood as being primarily the genocide of the Jews". Robby.is.on (talk) 22:23, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Robby.is.on: thanks for this. This inspired the next section, which in turn, inspired a brand new FAQ, partially based on your answer to the question above. As an example, had it existed yesterday, you could've responded to IP 2003 by saying:
    You're invited to contribute to expanding the FAQ, and I hope you do. Thanks, Mathglot (talk)

    Time for a FAQ

    I was going to respond to the previous section ("Six million...") by pointing to the FAQ, and was surprised not to see one. I think creating one will save everybody a lot of time, and that would surely be one of the top three or five questions. The The in the title (also above) being another of the top five. Mathglot (talk) 00:21, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Following my own advice: I've added a rump FAQ section (see Talk header) but I need help expanding it. @K.e.coffman, Beyond My Ken, and Jpgordon: can you help? Mathglot (talk) 00:33, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I went through the last ten archives (38–28) and made a list of what appeared to me the topics that recur the most often, and hence could benefit from FAQ treatment:
    • Non-Jewish victims ignored; or, 11M victims not 6M
    • Death toll in Poland, Baltics, (pick your country...)
    • Jewish death toll: 6M, 5-6M, other
    • Collaborators
    • The term Nazis vs Germans
    • The term murdered vs killed, exterminated, ...
    • Plunder
    The first one, regarding "why are all the non-Jewish victims ignored", or, "there were really 11M victims", or, "should be retitled, 'Jewish holocaust" and the like, occurred about as frequently as all the rest put together. This was a very subjective pass, so if others could take a look and give their impressions, that would help.
    The FAQ exists now as a stub. You can edit it by clicking the [edit] link in the banner under the Talk header. Mathglot (talk) 00:57, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Over-categorization

    I think this page should belong only to Category:The Holocaust or at least avoid over-categorizing. This is because the Category:The Holocaust already belongs to all necessary categories, such as Category:Antisemitism in Europe, etc. In addition, see my edit summary here. My very best wishes (talk) 01:46, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 December 2022

    Dear Wikipedia editors it has come to my attention that you have failed to mention the six million head that died in the camps.

    There is a serious problem of lack of holocaust awareness in the world 72.76.155.3 (talk) 14:45, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    quote - Between 1941 and 1945, Nazi Germany and its collaborators systematically murdered some six million Jews across German-occupied Europe - GizzyCatBella🍁 15:08, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Many Jews were shot outside the camps, Holocaust by Bullets. Xx236 (talk) 09:05, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    The picture

    The picture shows 'Jews from Subcarpathian Rus (then part of Hungary)'. The caption 'Hungarian Jews' may be unsourced. Xx236 (talk) 09:18, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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