Talk:Ukrainian Insurgent Army
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Polish bias
Added a [disputed – discuss] after cites 11 and 12, not enough cites and are somewhat biased. There is far more nuance than the cites claim. Example of evidence to dispute the cites - "What is historically indisputable is that prior to World War II Poland occupied western Ukraine which was not its ethnographic Polish territory. The Poles imposed a policy to pacify the Ukrainians and colonize the area with Poles. Ukrainians through the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and other formations fought that occupation and those policies. They killed representatives of the occupying regime. What is also historically indisputable is that during the war, the OUN sought a reconciliation with the Polish people and Polish government in exile in order to fight the Soviets."
https://krytyka.com/en/articles/we-need-discussion-oun-and-upa-without-labeling-and-stereotypes
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has not issued a formal apology for the Volyn massacres, but he has participated in joint reconciliation events with Polish leaders. The topic remains a sensitive issue in Polish-Ukrainian relations, particularly regarding the formal recognition of the events.
Even today, Poland and Ukraine have to fight Moscow based Imperialism to survive. Tito Jugoslavchenko (talk) 05:17, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
(Pencilceaser123 (talk) 04:55, 30 October 2025 (UTC) here) use the add topic button, this just makes talking wierd, but most of what you said isnt relavent to what you added, you added a disputed tag to the fact that the masseceres happened.
- Thanks, I am not an expert Wikipedia user, but, you miss the point, the Poles also conducted massacres and ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians. This is the bias. Even today, it is a contentious issue as stated by President Zelensky who is Jewish, may I remind you. The cites are biased to the Polish "view on history". There should be some balance to both sides of that contention. Maybe I just remove the tags and add a paragraph with the counterpoints with reliable cites ? Is that the best way to proceed and improve the article ? Tito Jugoslavchenko (talk) 05:32, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
- "Counter points" aren't needed. Perhaps it deserves some content on the page. But this page is about the Ukrainian insurgent army, who committed massacres against poles. Not the poles. Those massacres could be mentioned. But probably not in the lead Pencilceaser123 (talk) 06:15, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
- Really, they are not needed ? But there is some serious context lacking that does not give any reader of the article the true reasons for the actions due to parties on both sides.Do your opinions on context really matter ? Extra cites are needed, you cannot base your "facts" on one cite in this contentious issue. Tito Jugoslavchenko (talk) 22:27, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
- Cites for what? That is happened. Plenty exist, go onto the page for the massacres. And the apology obviously has sources. But the polish ones aren't not needed in the "lead" part Pencilceaser123 (talk) 02:08, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
- Really, they are not needed ? But there is some serious context lacking that does not give any reader of the article the true reasons for the actions due to parties on both sides.Do your opinions on context really matter ? Extra cites are needed, you cannot base your "facts" on one cite in this contentious issue. Tito Jugoslavchenko (talk) 22:27, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
- "Counter points" aren't needed. Perhaps it deserves some content on the page. But this page is about the Ukrainian insurgent army, who committed massacres against poles. Not the poles. Those massacres could be mentioned. But probably not in the lead Pencilceaser123 (talk) 06:15, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2025
Requesting disambiguation of "OUN" to OUN-B to avoid confusion with the OUN-M. Far fewer people are aware of the 1940 split in the OUN and since the modern OUN-M doesn't disambiguate, people would naturally attribute the UPA to them. It's also wrong that someone should attribute the UPA to a unified OUN when a lot of its focus as the Soviets advanced was cleaning up Melnykite units. This is misleading and it should be corrected.
Instances are as follows, with the bolded text requested to be replaced with "OUN-B":
- At the beginning of October 1941, during the first OUN Conference, the OUN formulated its future strategy.
- In May of that year, the OUN issued instructions to "switch the struggle
- Shukhevych issued instructions for joining the OUN and UPA in underground warfare
- By early 1943, the OUN had entered into open armed conflict with Nazi Germany
- In 1944, the OUN formally "rejected racial and ethnic exclusivity"
To refer to Bulba-Borovets as the founder of the UPA is misleading-- the OUN-B appropriated the name. In the following, requested to change UPA to UPA-Polissian Sich, with the efn note provided:
- Taras Bulba-Borovets, the founder of the UPA [In the template:efn note, write The UPA-Polissian Sich was a distinct group that operated from July 1941 – 5 October 1943, changing its name on 20 July 1943 to distingiush itself from the OUN/UPA.] 2A00:23C5:11E:F901:DBF:E13A:5174:E03F (talk) 22:36, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
Partly done: I changed the occurrences of "OUN" to "OUN-B" as you requested. Please specify where exactly in the article the text you want to change about Bulba-Borovets is located. As far as I can see, the article already mentions that the group he founded was known as the Polissian Sich and was not the same as the UPA established by the OUN. This is discussed in the "History" section under the subheading "Formation". Day Creature (talk) 01:56, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks-- and apologies, that must have been changed in the two months. "Original UPA" works better than my addition. I'd previously made this request in a talk page post back in August (I deleted it to avoid confusion with this one). 2A00:23C5:11E:F901:DBF:E13A:5174:E03F (talk) 10:18, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
Allies
Why is Germany listed as an ally, but not other Ukrainian and Polish underground organisations with which it cooperated? This is clearly shown in the same article. Luspy (talk) 05:38, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
Let's not paint UPA as some kind of a monolith organisation
Some people treat UPA like a monolith, but reality is different. There are a lot of pro-German UPA factions, and given it was too decentralised, misleading is dangerous. MadNomadist (talk) 03:53, 2 December 2025 (UTC)


