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Are coordinator boxes such as Template:Southeastern Conference offensive coordinators, Template:Big Ten Conference offensive coordinators, needed, especially considering that many of them are not playcallers, or there may be as many as 3 or more per team?- UCO2009bluejay (talk) 05:20, 13 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Kind of NENAN-y to me. The Big Ten one was created in 2012 when there was still less standardization on Wikipedia and in this WikiProject. The SEC one was made in 2025, I'm assuming by an editor wanting to help flesh out an existing navbox series. I'd support a deletion if this entire series went to a mass TfD. SportsGuy789 (talk) 00:03, 14 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I always feel these current directory templates fail WP:NAVBOX #4: There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template. —Bagumba (talk) 00:34, 14 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Some might try to reach and say that List of current NCAA Division I FBS football coaches's column on the coordinators would help it pass to that. Although I doubt that list and similar ones for lower divisions will be maintained. If anything it looks clunky too.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 00:52, 14 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The coordinators are arguably trivial, esp. when special teams is listed, when other pages at Category:Lists of current sports coaches are limited to head coaches. —Bagumba (talk) 02:48, 14 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Bagumba, that category was a bit underpopulated. I've added a bunch of lists that were missing. All of college football ones list coordinators. There are stand-alone lists for the NFL coordinators. So they don't fail WP:NAVBOX #4. I don't think the lists for the other sports are relevant as the coordinator role is more or less unique to football. Football teams have the largest coaching staffs of any sports, and the offensive and defensive coordinator roles are unlike any other assistant coaching position in any sport in terms of prestige, media coverage, and connection to the style and identity of the team. Jweiss11 (talk) 04:20, 15 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, see List of Southeastern Conference offensive coordinators for how it doesn't fail WP:NAVBOX #4. That is plain English man. These should be deleted. The NCAA coaches list needs a complete re-work to match the NBA style IMO. As it sits right now it is completely unsourced.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 04:58, 15 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Where is List of Southeastern Conference head football coaches? It also doesn't exist. But there is a list that contains all of the current the SEC head coaches and OCs. That list is List of current NCAA Division I FBS football coaches. There may be other good reasons to delete the coordinator navboxes, but WP:NAVBOX #4 isn't one of them. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:44, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

{{NCAA Division I FBS head football coaches navbox}} might be too bulky, but there are bulkier navboxes out there.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 01:11, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I am being a little disingenuous but one day this type of mentality will bite this project.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 01:14, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah of course {{NCAA Division I FBS head football coaches navbox}} would be too bulky. That's why it's split out into several navboxes by conference. What type mentality are you talking about? Jweiss11 (talk) 01:58, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2019_February_15#Template:Quarterbacks_coaches_of_the_Big_12_Conference-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 22:50, 27 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

In recent months, Fma12 has been making edits to college football, college soccer, and general college sports navboxes, like Template:Northeast-10 Conference navbox, adding conference logos, and changing the colors schemes such that the groups on the right hand side of the navbox have the relevant conference or team colors inverted from how they appear in the navbox's header and footer. The images strike me as a waste of space, and not needed for a navbox's main purpose, which is navigation. The more complicated color scheme strikes me as also unneeded and trending toward the "rainbows of death" we have been working to remove elsewhere, like on conference season articles. Most importantly, the images and more complicated colors schemes contravene the longstanding stable consensus we've had in place regarding these navboxes going back to first efforts to standardize them around 2011. What do others think about the images and colors schemes on these navboxes? Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 15:21, 29 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The colors are whatever, though I'd lean on the side of keeping one consistent color, as navboxes are for navigation and a simple visual experience assists that best. For images, though…why would they be needed for navigational purposes??? It also unnecessarily elongates the templates for no real reason. Thetreesarespeakingtome (talk) 17:04, 29 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the college football navboxes, I accepted user Jweiss arguments (discussed on my own talk page, Dec 2025) to leave just one color. My claim is about the conference navboxes, where I added secondary colors. In the case of the images, all the conference navboxes include the logo, removed by user Jweiss in edits like this, but in this case the logo had not been added by me but by other contributors long time ago, p.e. in (2014 the Big12 logo was already placed there.

User Jweiss has been removing all the logos and secondary colors from conferences navboxes such in Ivy league, MAAC, Big South, and the list is still longer. His edit summaries in those cases only stated "tweak colors", which I don't consider a reason based on any previous consensus. Besides, I had not added logos to any of those templates either. Fma12 (talk) 19:30, 29 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

My edit summaries summarize what the edit was. I generally don't include a rationale for the edit in each summary, particularly if the edit is one of a series of quick, maintenance-type edits. The rationale for these edits was discussed on your talk page a few weeks back, and we're discussing it again here. Duly noted that you did not initiate the use of conference logos in many cases. Jweiss11 (talk) 01:38, 31 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Jweiss11:, @Fma12:. See Wikipedia:Navigation_template#Navigation templates are not arbitrarily decorative. UCO2009bluejay (talk) 00:23, 12 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

UCO2009bluejay, so the guidelines there would suggest against the use of images and more colors, no? Jweiss11 (talk) 02:11, 15 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Fma12 thus far Thetreesarespeakingtome has clearly backed my view on the use of color and images in these navboxes, and UCO2009bluejay has cited the editing guideline on navbox templates, which also seems to back my view. Would you like get more input for more editor, or conceded that my view is indeed the consensus view. Jweiss11 (talk) 20:43, 21 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Jweiss11: after reading users Thetreesarespeakingtome and UCO2009bluejay giving their opinions, now we can say there is a consensus about this issue. As you had cited some discussions at WikiProject football that I could not find, this discussion could be used as a guideline for future debates. From my part, it is over. Fma12 (talk) 21:21, 21 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Listed below Grantland Rice's selections for his 1934 All-America college football team is a list of players recommended for consideration by an advisory board (1, 2). I assume it would be incorrect to refer to these players as "honorable mention" in this case, but I thought it was worth a shot to ask here since I've never seen this phrasing used before. JTtheOG (talk) 20:57, 1 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

• I agree with your assumption. The longer list is simply a collection of nominees received from various regions (some 20 at the center position alone). From the long list of nominees, the All-America team was selected. Cbl62 (talk) 21:43, 1 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Chris Smith (defensive back)#Requested move 18 January 2026 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 01:06, 2 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Got over the hump and discovered who T. C. Locke was. Quite the life story. Cake (talk) 17:09, 3 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Bull Brown was All-American but several sources amount to the same thing. Cannot find his birth and death. Lobster Brown was a pioneer of Georgia Tech football, and I cannot find his birth and death either. Cake (talk) 18:54, 3 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

There is a pending AfD (linked above) where there is discussion as to when we should allow new season articles to be created. Past consensus had supported waiting until after the prior season was over, but some believe that January is still too soon. If you have views on this issue, one way or the other, you are welcome to participate in the linked discussion. Cbl62 (talk) 17:17, 4 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

There is a discussion at WT:NFL (section is linked) regarding what should and shouldn't be included in the infoboxes. Editors here are encouraged to participate.- UCO2009bluejay (talk) 07:26, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Would love some help with the Auburn Pearce family. With all the transfers these days, Marvin Pearce was quite the pioneer. Cake (talk) 16:58, 10 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I also just found the elusive Jack Dye of Vanderbilt. Cake (talk) 20:14, 13 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

You just found it? You're the one who created the article 11 years ago, lol :) ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:18, 13 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but I just found out his life story. All I knew is he attended Vandy. Now I know he went from Arkansas, to Chattanooga, to Connecticut. I would have never found his birth date/place, except I found an interview of him where he wrote it himself. Real student-athletes in those days. It seems everyone is a doctor. Still looking for A. Clarence Jones. Cake (talk) 18:00, 14 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

How about this one? The guy standing next to Coach McGugin in his high school class photo was Ralph Tidrick, himself a football player, who was killed by a lion. Cake (talk) 18:05, 26 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

There is a discussion at WT:NFL this link about which awards and parameters should be removed from said infobox. Editors here are encouraged to participate.- UCO2009bluejay (talk) 18:04, 10 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone tell me why this was included with at WT:NFL banner?- UCO2009bluejay (talk) 20:17, 17 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Qwerfjkl (bot) 32 ("Tag pages in Category:National Football League players by team with WikiProject National Football League") Category:Aaron Rodgers is a subcat of Category:Green Bay Packers players. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 21:00, 17 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Heath Miller#Requested move 11 February 2026 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. CNC (talk) 22:23, 18 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Centurion Seraph and I are have having a dispute at Fred Jackson (American football coach) regarding the noting of national championships in the infobox there, Template:Infobox college coach. There a couple issue here. First, how should we note College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS in these infoboxes? The prevailing standard has been to simply display them as "national", c.f. Urban Meyer, Lloyd Carr, Bob Devaney, Knute Rockne, Fielding H. Yost, Jim Tressel, etc. Should we explicitly state "NCAA Division I FBS" here. What about the cases before there was a NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision (created in 1978), or before there were any NCAA divisions, as in the time of Yost and Rockne?

Second, should we note championships won as an assistant coach in these infoboxes? This has become commonplace in an ad hoc fashion in recent years, but in the template documentation, which uses Bo Schembechler as an example, only championships won as a head coach are noted. Not included are the conference and national championships won by the 1961 Ohio State Buckeyes football team, for which Schembechler was an assistant under Woody Hayes. If we're going to include championships won as an assistant (and/or as a player), there ought to be dedicated fields for them to distinguish them from championships won as a head coach. Jweiss11 (talk) 21:34, 2 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I dont understand how the sole word “national” is not MOS:EGG; and if the link included states national championships in NCAA Division I FBS, then why is that incorrect to pipe any other word in that article title other than “national”? What of examples of coaches like Jack Harbaugh, where they won in FCS and FBS, or DII? Also distinguishing the NCAA FBS from other professional leagues and high school national championships as well. Is the onus on the reader to figure out what the incredibly vague “national” means? & only by clicking the link to an article titled national championships in NCAA Division 1 FBS? By defining what field the national championship was won in does not mean the NCAA hosted the event. They are still crowned champions in the NCAA FBS level, against that competition. At a minimum, FBS lets the reader know something informative. What are they national champions of? Centurion Seraph (talk) 22:22, 2 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the 2023 nat'l title from Jack Harbaugh's infobox, as he was an assistant on that team, and that was improperly mixed in his with his titles as a head coach. But Jim Tressel serves the same purpose here, as he won an FBS nat'l title with Ohio State and four I-AA (FCS) titles with Youngstown State. How would you handle the national titles at Fielding H. Yost or John McKay (American football)? Jweiss11 (talk) 23:37, 2 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Jweiss11: Like Jim Tressel, that doesnt seem a poor way to display national championships? I fail to see how that is anything other than bad examples exist. One says “national”, the other says “NCAA Division 1-AA”(national not included). Both NCAA national championships. Centurion Seraph (talk) 23:38, 2 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, now do Yost or Amos Alonzo Stagg. What should those say? Jweiss11 (talk) 23:39, 2 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I guess Id start by asking why you have them linked to NCAA Division I FBS national championships? & Id still say CFB should be included those rare instances; before the NCAA. The NCAA level included when applicable and known. Though 125 years ago, before the NCAA, they werent coaching at the high school, DII, FCS, FBS, and NFL all in a career. With so many different championships and levels now, national just seems very vague. Centurion Seraph (talk) 00:20, 3 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Yost and Stagg link to College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS because the subject of that article is the entire history of major college football championships going back to the inception of the sport in 1869. All of Stagg's and Yost's national championship are individually listed there. "Rare instances"? What is rare here? We had almost a century of college football before the NCAA employed divisions, first applied to football in 1962. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:33, 3 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

That is a misleading title, is it not? Especially if the title cant be piped in that wording either. The NCAA was roughly created in 1906, around the time you mentioned those coaches winning national championships. It’d be rare to have a coach win one national championship before the inception of the NCAA, and then another after. I dont understand why you’re using examples of times that the NCAA did not exist for current issues. If you think that Jim Tressel looks good, and is the best way going forward, then what more can I say? Centurion Seraph (talk) 00:56, 3 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the NCAA was created in 1906. But the 1907 Penn Quakers football team didn't win an "NCAA championship". The team was recognized decades later by the Billingsley Report as a national champion. You may notice that the season in which the 1907 Penn team played is simply called 1907 college football season. What you don't seem to appreciate is that we have a 150-year long articulated sequence of yearly national championships, and we need a consistent way to deal with all them as a set, c.f. Category:College football national champions. You haven't prosed a coherent alternative to the status quo. Jweiss11 (talk) 01:24, 3 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

According to the NCAA, yes 1907 Penn was not recognized with a national championship. NCAA FBS records

The NCAA currently recognizes a distinct list of national champions in their official FBS records. i.e. No 1907 Penn, 2017 UCF, ect. All the early selections were selected retroactively until the AP, the earliest by the NCF in 1980, HAF in 1936. There werent national champions back then. They are only listed that way now because the NCAA recognized them as such decades later, by recognizing those selectors intentionally.

I can appreciate it. Though Jim Tressel should read NCAA Division I FBS. The same reason the linked article is titled the way it is, is the same reason as to why I feel the pipe should be expressed similarly. You subtract NCAA FBS and nobody knows exactly what it is in reference to. Centurion Seraph (talk) 03:09, 3 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, well the 1907 Yale Bulldogs football team didn't win an NCAA title either, but they are recognized on that list by the NCAA. The NCAA also isn't the ultimate authority on this very messy subject. The collection of the all the reliable sources on this subject is the authority. Jweiss11 (talk) 04:38, 3 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

• I would favor removing national championship claims from infoboxes of assistant coaches. Cbl62 (talk) 23:52, 2 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  I lean that way as well. What about titles as a player? Any thoughts on the main disagreement here, noting College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS? Jweiss11 (talk) 00:02, 3 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

• I've always thought that "...in NCAA Division I FBS" is a bad article title, and proposed a move to just College football national championships (currently a redirect back to the article) here in 2022: Talk:College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS/Archive 2022#Requested move 16 August 2022

You can see my arguments there. The article is for top-level national championships, which reliable sources refer to as just the "college football national championship" with no mention of the FBS division, both historically and still in the modern era. Many of the teams in the article, including Yale (who has/claims the most titles), have never been "FBS" members. The NCAA has no say in the college football national championship and never has. Also, lower division teams are still technically in the running for all/most of the current national championship selectors!

I'd still like to move the article if there's support for that. In the mean time, I strongly oppose prefacing coaches, seasons, etc. with "NCAA Division I FBS" in the modern era, and especially historically. PK-WIKI (talk) 02:43, 3 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe the best name is Major college football national championships, a la List of major college football winless seasons? We also have List of NCAA major college football yearly passing leaders and the like. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:04, 3 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that's the WP:COMMONNAME and using it would mostly be synthesis. The current title of College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS is ok because the first half is perfect, and readers can mostly ignore the second half. I don't like moving "Major" to the first word. PK-WIKI (talk) 17:00, 3 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

• CenturionSeraph is out of control in hs edits on the Jackson article. I spent time trying to whip the Jackson article into shape. He has continued to edit over me. I applied an "inuse" tag and he continues to edit over me, creating edit conflicts. This editor has some issues that need fixing. Cbl62 (talk) 04:05, 3 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  Check your info youre rewriting and deleting. I just combed over that. What youre adding is/was incorrect and I have it sourced. You only showed up because of this discussion, knowing I was actively editing and now want to enforce that I no longer can make edits on that page until you say so? Centurion Seraph (talk) 04:08, 3 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

You need to learn about how things work here. I began a major rewrite several hours after your last edit. The article was filled with incorrect dates and was written in a reverese chronological order. I placed an "inuse" tage, and you continued editing over me, causing edit conflicts and loss of my pending edits. I am not saying you can't edit the article ever again. Simply that you wait until my major rewrite is complete. You refused to listen and continued creating edit conflicts. Grow up, dude, you don't "own" the article. Cbl62 (talk) 04:17, 3 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

We have multiple good editors specializing in Michigan football. One of the University of Florida's "Hall of Famers" was Speedy Walker. Other than playing two sports, which a lot of guys did, I am not sure what he did which grants him UF's "Hall of Fame" status. He was also supposed to attend the University of Michigan, but something happened. Information about either of those greatly interests me. My great-grandfather was the center snapping him the ball in high school. Dutch Stanley was at the end. What kind of name is Ion? Cake (talk) 20:54, 3 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Just notifying members of this project that there is a Conflict of Interest edit request relevant to this WikiProject at the Mike Sullivan (offensive lineman) article. DrThneed (talk) 22:21, 10 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]