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I am just trying to get a clearer picture of his early life....The lack of dates and specifics in the entry (regarding his early life) is frustrating.
I am just trying to get a clearer picture of his early life....The lack of dates and specifics in the entry (regarding his early life) is frustrating.
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== Fugilencio Batista wealth before and after exile ==

According to the person who managed Batistas fortune the amount of money Batista left with was a fraction of what he had at his peak. The figure given in the article more closely matches what he had within the country not what he left with. He also gave a lot of money out in his final years in office to maintain the support of his army and other politicians. According to the money manager what he started with abroad were the assets of a parastatal which had been set up to establish a national shiping line and airline.

Revision as of 18:56, 6 August 2011

Wrong place of death

Batista died in Guadalmina a place in the city of Marbella in Spain. In the article it says 'Guadalamina' instead of 'Guadalmina' which is the correct way to write it. I'm 100% sure because I live in Guadalmina in the city of Marbella and it is well known that the correct way of writing it is 'Guadalmina' and not 'Guadalamina'.

Carlos Manuel de Céspedes

FYI, the link to Carlos Manuel de Céspedes points to an article about the father of the person that this article refers to.

1940 coalition addition

User:Pajfarmor, per your attempted addition of adding the "Social Democrat Coalition" as Batista's "political party" for 1940 - a fellow Wikipedia page is not allowed to be used as a reference per policy. Moreover, this alliance in 1940 of non-Auténtico parties formed an alliance that was actually called the "Democratic Socialist Coalition", which only rallied around Batista because he was considered to be the one figure that could defeat Grau. But this was not Batista's political party. After the 1940 presidential election, Batista formed a broad-based cabinet, representing all of the various parties which had backed him - which lasted until 1944.  Redthoreau -- (talk) 23:15, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Batista and the Cuban Revolution

Hey, I am new to Wikipedia, and I am still getting the hang of how it works. I made a few changes to this article before, I apologize if in doing so I violated any Wikipedia rules. However, upon reading this article, I thought I could be of help, and I made several changes, mainly adding further details to the subheading titled Batista, Castro, and the Cuban Revolution. Specifically, I added more detail to the paragraph that made reference to the 1954 elections. I have been doing extensive academic research on this period, and I have had contact with a number of primary and secondary sources, both English and Spanish language sources. Specifically, I added a short sentence on why Grau withdrew from the 1954 campaign, and specified that Batista ran in the elections as the candidate of a coalition of political parties; I also cite my sources there.

I also added additional details to the paragraph that mentioned the attack on the Presidential Palace on March 13, 1957. Specifically, that the attack was planned by the FEU and DR, who were the University Student Federation and the Revolutionary Directorate. The former is mentioned in the Wikipedia article on the University of Havana. Moreover, the article also previously mentioned that Colonel Ramon Barquin had been appointed Head of the Army in 1956. I took a look at the article's source; although this was a Washington Post article, it was inaccurate. The Chief of Staff of the Army was General Francisco Tabernilla Dolz up until 1958. I can prove this by pointing either to the source I cited, or to Batista's memoirs, which were published in English as "Cuba Betrayed". Barquin was recalled to prepare for a defense of Cuba against a potential invasion by Dominican dictator Rafael Trujillo. I have also added a different point of view as to why Batista's Army was unable to defeat Castro's rebels, and I also cite my source, which is a book by one of Batista's top military aides, General Francisco Tabernilla Palmero, and the son of the Army Chief of Staff, General Francisco Tabernilla Dolz.

I have also added extensive detail on the 1958 elections, which I have also done a lot of research on for an academic project. Specifically, I dispute the assertion in the previous state of the article which stated "In March 1958, President Eisenhower, disillusioned with Batista's performance, suggested he hold elections. Batista did, but the people showed their dissatisfaction with his government by refusing to vote." I feel that this statement is misleading, in that it implies that Batista held elections because Eisenhower wanted him to. In reality, this was not the case. Batista held elections as required by the Constitution of 1940, which was nominally in effect at the time. Furthermore, Batista held these elections in keeping with the concessions that he made to the legal non-revolutionary opposition in 1956, 1957, and 1958, specifically through the Civic Dialogue, the Plan de Vento, and the Bicameral Commission. For further evidence of this, I can direct you to Manuel Marquez Sterling's Cuba 1952-1959: The True Story of Castro’s Rise to Power. Wintergreen, VA. Kleiopatria Digital Press. 2009. I can also direct you to a Spanish language source, by a present day Cuban scholar, El fracaso de los moderados en Cuba : las alternativas reformistas de 1957 a 1958 La Habana : Editora Política, 2000. In English this is "The failure of the moderates in Cuba: the reformist alternatives of 1957 and 1958". However, this is very hard to get a hold of in the United States. Furthermore, I also mention who the candidates were in the elections, and briefly mention how Batista rigged the election, as well as Castro's attempts to assassinate those who participated in the elections, and I explain his motives for doing so. I also cite my sources within the changes I made, some of which are Spanish language sources.

Lastly, I inserted a short paragraph listing another perspective regarding the claimed 20,000 dead under the Batista regime. Some have disputed this number, as I have explained in the article, and I have cited my source.

Overall, I would like to know the other users' opinions regarding my changes and would appreciate a spirited discussion. Again, I apologize if I violated any rules with any of my previous changes. I have done my best to add to the article, have not deleted anything that was already there, except in the instances I mentioned above. Again, thank you all very much for reading, and I look forward to hearing from everyone! Crazybus911 (talk) 08:55, 20 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

20,000 Deaths

Crazybus, many of your recent additions have been helpful, and if nothing else - added some information from a more moderate position regarding Batista's actions. However, the one area I would dispute is your added contention that the 20,000 death toll under Batista is heavily disputed - which I believe to be WP:UNDUE and a WP:FRINGE point of view. Part of the confusion I believe arises because Sterling (your source and I believe son of Carlos Márquez Sterling) may be addressing civilian murders during the Revolution from 1957-1959 and thus 2,000 deaths - whereas the cited 20,000 killed in the article under Batista is the given number of people killed by Batista's regime collectively during his years in office (1933-1944) & primarily (1952-1959). The 2,000 deaths during the armed insurrection from 1957-59 is often cited by anti-Castro writers as an attempt to call into question the more commonly accepted mainstream 20,000 figure (which was repeatedly echoed by President John F. Kennedy of all people). For instance, the 1959 United States Senate Hearings before the Subcommittee to Investigate the Administration of the Internal Security Act and Other Internal Security Laws by the Committee on the Judiciary (digitized online), noted that = "Batista in Cuba was regarded as the butcher of some 20,000 or 25,000 of its finest youth." This matches the belief 10 years later by the 1969 United States National Commission on the Causes and Prevention of Violence which published a report entitled: 'Violence in America: Historical and Comparative Perspectives: A Report' - where on Page 582 it states that = "It is clear that counter terror became the strategy of the Batista government ... It has been estimated by some that as many as 20,000 civilians were killed." Now admittedly many historical events have a death count that is altered over time as more information comes about, however, the 20,000 total has remained consistent in the majority (see Wp:Undue) of sources from 1959 to the present day ...

Some published examples of this include:

  • Bolivia, Press and Revolution 1932-1964‎ - Page 347 .... "Batista had been responsible for perhaps as many as 20,000 deaths"
  • The Free World Colossus: a Critique of American Foreign Policy in the Cold War‎ - Page 192 - (by current day Conservative and Castro-critic David Horowitz) .... "the 20,000 Cubans who had been killed by the Batista regime"
  • World Guide: A View from the South‎ - Page 209 - .... "Batista engineered yet another coup, establishing a dictatorial regime which was responsible for the death of 20,000 Cubans"
  • The Third World in Perspective‎ - Page 344 .... "under Batista at least 20,000 people were put to death"
  • Invisible Latin America‎ - Page 77 .... "All told, Batista's second dictatorship cost the Cuban people some 20,000 dead"
  • Conflict, Order, and Peace in the Americas‎ - Page 121 (by the Lyndon B. Johnson School of Public Affairs, hardly a bastion of Marxism) .... "The US-supported Batista regime killed 20,000 Cubans"
  • Controversy Over Cuba‎ - Page 3 (by the D.C. Committee on National Legislation, hardly Pravda or Granma) .... "Some l9,000 to 20,000 Cubans were murdered during Batista’s regime, some were tortured, others bled to death after being castrated"

Lastly, I would point out ---> this short clip from the documentary Fidel: The Untold Story and the section of the clip from [1:03-1:09] right after testimony by Wayne Smith (former head of the United States Interests Section in Havana).  Redthoreau -- (talk) 20:23, 20 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Quaker school

I was trying to figure out if the Quaker school Batista was educated in was in Cuba or the U.S....? The reference just says American Quaker school.... But where was the school? I am just trying to get a clearer picture of his early life....The lack of dates and specifics in the entry (regarding his early life) is frustrating. Thank you. 173.17.155.121 (talk) 01:46, 13 April 2011 (UTC)12 April 2011 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.17.155.121 (talk) 01:43, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fugilencio Batista wealth before and after exile

According to the person who managed Batistas fortune the amount of money Batista left with was a fraction of what he had at his peak. The figure given in the article more closely matches what he had within the country not what he left with. He also gave a lot of money out in his final years in office to maintain the support of his army and other politicians. According to the money manager what he started with abroad were the assets of a parastatal which had been set up to establish a national shiping line and airline.

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