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Speedy renaming opposed, March 2019
Moved from WP:CFDS- Category:All Websites articles to Category:All WikiProject Websites pages – C2C, consistent with parent cat Category:WikiProject Websites and because it contains cats as well as articles. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:11, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Websites articles needing attention to Category:WikiProject Websites articles needing attention
- Category:Websites articles needing images to Category:WikiProject Websites articles needing images
- Category:Websites articles by importance to Category:WikiProject Websites articles by importance
- Category:Websites articles without infoboxes to Category:WikiProject Websites articles without infoboxes
- Category:Websites articles by quality to Category:WikiProject Websites articles by quality
- Category:Websites articles by quality and importance to Category:WikiProject Websites articles by quality and importance
- @UnitedStatesian: Does Category:All Websites articles contain cats as well as articles? Here's its category tree:
- no subcategories
- I agree with inserting "WikiProject", but "articles" appears correct. – Fayenatic London 16:32, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
- I was basing it on the parent in its category tree, not its children. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:22, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: Actually it contains category talk pages, as they are added through a project banner. Armbrust The Homunculus 02:20, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - Most categories below the main WikiProject Foo articles category do not use "WikiProject" (see e.g. subcats of Category:Wikipedia 1.0 assessments, Category:Articles needing attention, Category:Wikipedia articles with an infobox request, etc.). WikiProject assessment categories also typically use "articles" instead of "pages", even when the category contains non-article pages (e.g. Category:Category-Class France articles). -- Black Falcon (talk) 03:29, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- Both of which are problems to fix, not emulate and "enforce". So, support, and do more similar renames. Agree it is not a speedy. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 12:49, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
- Problems. These will soon be removed as stale: the opposes are well-founded, so this will clearly not proceed as a speedy. Feel free to make the proposal at a full CFD discussion.
- In theory I agree wholeheartedly with @SMcCandlish that the current convention is wrong, and that all Wikiproject assessment categories should be renamed to CategoryWikiProject Foobar articles by quality, Category:C-Class WikiProject Foobar articles, etc etc. In theory.
- However, in practice, this would be an absolute nightmare to achieve, because it could not just be done by the existing CFD bots.
- Every WikiProject banner template would need to be modified
- Every Category header would need to be modified to reflect the new naming convention. Those headers use a variety of templates, some generic and some custom, and some just use manual links.
- That is a big job for each and every WikiProject. And there, at a guess ~ 2,000 WikiProjects, some with up to 50 assessment categories. If we assume an average of 20 assessment cats per project, then that's somewhere 40,000 categories which will need attention.
- Putting that lot through CFD would break CFD. The small number of admins who process WP:CFDW couldn't possibly take that on. It needs a separate process, with custom bots on the job.
- So I want to give notice that I will oppose this vigorously if it appears at CFD. It needs to be decided at an RFC, and implemented in a structured way by dedicated bots. </rant>
- (Also pinging @ Armbrust, @Black Falcon, @Fayenatic,UnitedStatesian). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:32, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- A fine rant, and I wholly agree. -- Black Falcon (talk) 02:03, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
- I only nominated these seven (and will only take these seven to full CFD, if I get to it) because "websites" is ambiguous, in the we have Category:Websites that is an article category, not a talkpage category used by a WikiProject, so this is one where I think the addition of "WikiProject" is more important. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:59, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- @UnitedStatesian, my rant above was about SMcCandlish's idea of changing the naming convention.
- I'd be happy to support renaming these as an exception, for the reasons you set out. But it's not speediable, so does need a full CFD. You can open a full CFD whenever you like. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:29, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- I agree that it's viable, and perhaps useful, to rename this particular set. I also agree that we do not want or need to implement this across all WikiProject assessment categories. I have renamed such categories for a couple of WikiProjects or task forces in the past, and it requires a surprising amount of work to category pages and templates. – Fayenatic London 12:53, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- How is "websites" more ambiguous than any other topic (e.g. we have Category:France articles by quailty in spite of Category:France being an article category)? -- Black Falcon (talk) 02:03, 18 March 2019 (UTC)