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Category:21st-century Slovenian LGBTQ poets
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- Propose merging Category:21st-century Slovenian LGBTQ poets to Category:Slovenian LGBTQ poets
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining/underpopulated intersection between occupation, century, lgbtq status and nationality SMasonGarrison 23:07, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:21st-century LGBTQ people. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:23, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- sounds good SMasonGarrison 01:08, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
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Category:21st-century Niuean LGBTQ people
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:39, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose splitting Category:21st-century Niuean LGBTQ people to Category:21st-century LGBTQ people and Category:Niuean LGBTQ people
- Nominator's rationale: Niuean people aren't diffused by century SMasonGarrison 22:58, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
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1st millennium in Guatemala
- Propose merging Category:5th century in Guatemala ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:5th century in the Maya civilization
- Propose merging Category:7th century in Guatemala ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:7th century in the Maya civilization
- Propose merging Category:8th century in Guatemala ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:8th century in the Maya civilization
- Propose merging Category:9th century in Guatemala ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:9th century in the Maya civilization
- Propose merging Category:1st millennium in the Maya civilization ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:1st millennium in Guatemala ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Follow up of Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_March_9#Early_establishments_in_Guatemala. The modern-day territory of Guatemala was part of the Maya civilization in this period. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:18, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Yes it was, but the categories are useful for investigating the history of the territory now covered by Guatemala, without getting lost in a maze of categories and articles that are not directly relevant. I therefore oppose. Modern territorial boundaries are often used for historical study. Simon Burchell (talk) 15:07, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- It is currently a maze because of the duplication. The proposal simplifies it. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:03, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- Yes it was, but the categories are useful for investigating the history of the territory now covered by Guatemala, without getting lost in a maze of categories and articles that are not directly relevant. I therefore oppose. Modern territorial boundaries are often used for historical study. Simon Burchell (talk) 15:07, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- oppose. Modern territorial boundaries are often used for historical study, like Simon Burchell said. This "simplification" removes the direct link from the current geographic unit to what happened there in the past. The history of a country is shaped by what happened before it was established just as much as by what happened after it was established. Fram (talk) 11:51, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
Category:Fictional events
- Propose merging Category:Fictional events to Category:Fictional history, but manually move Category:Fictional holidays directly under Category:Fictional elements
- Propose renaming Category:Middle-earth events to Category:Middle-earth history
- Nominator's rationale: these are events in the very vague meaning of "anything that happened in history". This is follow-up on this earlier discussion. The article History of Arda can be added to Category:Middle-earth history after renaming. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:02, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Support per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:23, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- Comment wouldn't it be better as "Category:Fictional festivals, observances, and holidays" ? Thus any article on fictional festival that is not a fictional holiday could also be housed. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:26, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Fictional organized events would be shorter, as a subcategory of Category:Organized events, but that can wait until there is a need for it. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
- I disagree. One can have an organised event on a holiday, but the holiday itself is not an organised event.
- However, I do think that Category:Holidays and Category:Observances could be merged to Category:Holidays and observances, to match Category:Holidays and observances by scheduling. I think there's a bit of WP:OVERLAPCAT going on there. Holiday doesn't necessarily mean Holy day anymore, its usage has been broadened to include work holidays and so on. And so to go along with that, then we could go with Category:Fictional holidays and observances. I don't think we need to add festival in the name, as it is already either an observance or an organised event - or both. - jc37 21:30, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
- @Jc37: merging them is not a bad idea at all, but then we might better stick to "observances" and convert "holidays" to a dab page (also linking "holidays" to "vacation"). Marcocapelle (talk) 17:40, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
- I think Category:Holidays and observances is still a good idea due to differences in usage, etc. (And by having both words in the name, they also disambiguate each other, adding clarity over ambiguity.) That said, there's no reason that Category:Holidays can't become a dab page after this is implemented. - jc37 00:26, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
- @Jc37: merging them is not a bad idea at all, but then we might better stick to "observances" and convert "holidays" to a dab page (also linking "holidays" to "vacation"). Marcocapelle (talk) 17:40, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Fictional organized events would be shorter, as a subcategory of Category:Organized events, but that can wait until there is a need for it. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
- Support - But I think Category:Fictional history of Middle-earth would be better for that one. This allows for later expansion of Category:Fictional history of X for other fictional histories. Because there may be times that "X" could be confused with a non-fictional topic. - jc37 21:17, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
Category:Speculative fiction detectives
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- The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 21:57, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Speculative fiction detectives ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: A unilateral merger of two distinct and well-defined categories: Category:Science fiction detectives and Category:Fantasy detectives (disclosure: my creations). Clarityfiend (talk) 20:38, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Keep this page instead as a parent category to Category:Fantasy detectives, Category:Science fiction detectives, Category:Fictional paranormal investigators, and Category:Superhero detectives. AHI-3000 (talk) 20:41, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- @Clarityfiend: Please see my talk page. AHI-3000 (talk) 20:56, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Keep this page instead as a parent category to Category:Fantasy detectives, Category:Science fiction detectives, Category:Fictional paranormal investigators, and Category:Superhero detectives. AHI-3000 (talk) 20:41, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Withdraw nomination. The categories have been restored and instead made subcategories of the speculative fiction category, which seems reasonable to me. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:08, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- @Clarityfiend: Thank you for understanding. AHI-3000 (talk) 21:18, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Leeds Museums and Galleries Project
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:39, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Leeds Museums and Galleries Project ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: I don't see a page for this project and its been over 5 years since this category was created. If there isn't a project, then this category isn't really needed. Gonnym (talk) 17:45, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, the articles in the category are largely a matter of WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:04, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
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Category:21st-century Azerbaijani LGBTQ people
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:39, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only two people in the entire Azerbaijani LGBTQ people tree SMasonGarrison 17:30, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:06, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Historical figures with ambiguous or disputed sexuality
- Propose deleting Category:Historical figures with ambiguous or disputed sexuality ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Ambiguous and non defining category. Golikom (talk) 00:24, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- Request:Please ping the contributors of the last CFD on this category.@Golikom SMasonGarrison 03:03, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose, this has recently been discussed thoroughly. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:46, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Clearly a defining category. Dimadick (talk) 16:43, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- I am only here because the reason for this CfD appears to be due to the fact you decided two edits I made in which I added this category were non-definining - despite the fact that one of the articles has an entire subsection on the topic. Furthermore, the previous nomination pointed out by @Marcocapelle above, was started by none other than yourself just five months ago, and was closed as "no consensus". Are you going to continue pushing this until you get the outcome you want? Iostn (talk) 19:07, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Where an article contains a well-cited discussion of the subject's sexuality (Edward II of England § Piers Gaveston and sexuality, Sappho § Sexuality) or there is enough weight in reliable sources for an entire sub-article (Sexuality of James VI and I), it is a disservice to the reader not to have that content reflected in the category structure to aid finding similar articles. This is defining (per WP:CATDEF) in that it is an aspect of these subjects that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to.--Trystan (talk) 18:31, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Interesting, relevant to current societal dialogues. It's perhaps not considered relevant in these discussions to remark that the entry is amusing and fun, but it is. Tim Bray (talk) 23:05, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:27, 23 March 2025 (UTC)- Keep. It used to apply to Tybira, which was removed from this category somehow. I'd argue that Tibyra is known entirely because of sodomy condemnation and then contemporarily being reclaimed as a queer (homo/trans) icon. So this category is useful for the 'questioning' period of time that scholars are still speculating what sexuality suits them best. Sappho, for instance, would certainly be considered WlW, yet some still question if these sapphist relations were merely falsified 'mockery' (story) or history. The same can be said to a lot of them. People in general, including scholars, may interpret these labels as degrading. On the other hand, much research has confirmation bias, post-truths, or logical leaps, things that are avoided in STEM sciences. Foucault denominated this phenomenon anachronistical. Vivb1 (talk) 08:56, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. As someone who was involved in the first two discussions, most potential issues with this category have already been addressed. I do not believe that this conversation is any different than the ones already had. I have no problems with the category in its current form because it is written to specify where it does and does not apply. The category isn't any less valuable to well sourced articles just because of the slim chance it could be misused. Also, if this category referencing a historical figure's sexuality is "non-defining" then shouldn't that apply to all LGBTQ categories? Either all of these categories are relevant to understanding a person's identity, or none of them are. Rylee Amelia (talk) 22:50, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete poorly defined category that would work better as a list. For a start, how is "historical figure" defined? David Bowie died less than ten years ago. Are living people eligible for inclusion (presumably not due to WP:BLP issues)? Others are included whose historicity is unclear (David and Jonathan, the disciple whom Jesus loved). The category description states that it is for individuals "whose sexual orientation is ambiguous or disputed, and thus subject to controversy". There seems to be a very wide mixture of circumstances captured by this category, including what could be subcategorised as Category:People rumoured to be gay, Category:LGBT people who never officially came out, and Biblical figures associated with homosexuality. I see sexuality being discussed in the articles currently included, the extent to which it is it "ambiguous", "disputed" or "subject to controversy" varies widely. Is Freddie Mercury's sexuality really "disputed"? A person's sexuality is a defining characteristic, the public/academic perception of their sexuality is not. I T B F 📢 13:00, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- I can not say I agree with that last sentence fully.★Trekker (talk) 16:33, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thing is: are you referring to sexuality it meaning behavior/external manifestation or identity/self-perception? Vivb1 (talk) 01:11, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose per Marcocapelle.★Trekker (talk) 16:33, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
Category:Poems by country of setting
- Propose merging Category:Poems by country of setting to Category:Poems by setting
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer, this is the only content of the target. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:25, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose it isn't a redundant layer because it is in multiple trees. This is in the category tree Category:Works by country of setting. It should remain so it isn't divorced from that structure. Category:Poems by setting should be expanded, but it isn't the only relevant tree to this particular category.4meter4 (talk) 17:28, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- After merging, the content remains part of Category:Works by country of setting. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:10, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle That suggestion is completely illogical. I would strongly oppose that as Category:Poems by setting is not and never will be a subcategory of Category:Works by country of setting.4meter4 (talk) 01:29, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- If one is interested in any particular country, e.g. France, they can still get there: Category:Works by country of setting > Category:Works set in France > Category:Poems set in France. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- It makes more sense to leave it alone.4meter4 (talk) 06:52, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- Comment. There are now multiple cats in this category. So the nomination rationale is no longer valid.4meter4 (talk) 15:18, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
- Then I withdraw the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:40, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
- Um… you are the nominator, so only you can withdraw…4meter4 (talk) 14:09, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, the word "I" was missing. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:31, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
- Um… you are the nominator, so only you can withdraw…4meter4 (talk) 14:09, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
Category:LGBTQ people from Georgia (country) by century
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:40, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now, this is a redundant category SMasonGarrison 17:23, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Intensivists by nationality
- Propose merging Category:American intensivists ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Intensivists and Category:American physicians
- Propose merging Category:Australian intensivists ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Intensivists and Category:Australian physicians
- Propose merging Category:Belgian intensivists ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Intensivists and Category:Belgian physicians
- Propose merging Category:British intensivists ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Intensivists and Category:British physicians
- Propose merging Category:Danish intensivists ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Intensivists and Category:Danish physicians
- Propose merging Category:Dutch intensivists ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Intensivists and Category:Dutch physicians
- Propose deleting Category:Intensivists by nationality ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Insufficient contents for diffusion by nationality –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:22, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:11, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Thanks for tagging all of them! SMasonGarrison 03:49, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Recognised medical specialism. scope_creepTalk 08:53, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- That in itself is not a reason for diffusion by nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:48, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
Category:Aaron Burr's 1806 Mississippi River expedition
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:40, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Aaron Burr's 1806 Mississippi River expedition to Category:Burr conspiracy
- Nominator's rationale: I really don't like calling it the Burr conspiracy bc we just don't understand it enough but that's the Worldcat and LOC name for this topic as well as the article so blah fine consistency! jengod (talk) 16:21, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Rename, seems a straightforward case of WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:12, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Lists of events lists
- Propose merging Category:Lists of events lists to Category:Lists of history lists
- Nominator's rationale: these are events in the very vague meaning of "anything that happened in history". This is follow-up on this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:04, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. "Event" is a very broad concept, while "history" is much narrower. There are lists of Category 1 tropical cyclones, lists of hat-tricks and lists of murders. Most of these were not events that changed the course of human history, except in the sense that in an unstable system the flap of a butterfly's wings may trigger a storm with huge consequences. A merge in the other direction could be considred, since Category:Lists of history lists has only a few rather arbitrary entries, but it includes Lists of dynasties, which are not lists of events. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:22, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- The events don't have to have changed the course of history per se, they just took place in history. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:08, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- A historical event is the sort of event that would be discussed in a history book. Many lists in Category:Lists of events lists do not meet that criterion, e.g. Lists of fatal shark attacks. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:22, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- I do not follow. Lists in Category:Lists of history lists do not have to be about "historical events" in order to be in this category. The category is simply for lists about things that happened in the past. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:45, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
- An "event" is something that happened in the past, or perhaps something expected to happen in the future. A "historical event" is a type of event associated with history, typically human history, but sometimes the history of Earth, history of life or chronology of the universe.
- My birth was an event. Sadly, it was not a historical event: it will not be mentioned in any history book. Few if any of the events in the list of fatal shark attacks in the United States, lists of hat-tricks and lists of murders will be mentioned in any history book either.
- Some lists of events are history lists, but many are not. Some history lists are lists of events, but many are not. e.g. List of Jewish states and dynasties. Aymatth2 (talk) 03:14, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- For the sake of Wikipedia categorization the only thing that matters about your birth is that there is no Wikipedia article about you (presuming there isn't). All people who are notable become part of the history tree (births by century, occupation by century), regardless of whether they appear in a history book or in any other source. Likewise, all past events that are notable (and all events in the category are notable) are part of history, regardless of whether they appear in a history book or in any other source. With few exceptions we do not categorize content by type of source. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:32, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- I do not follow. Lists in Category:Lists of history lists do not have to be about "historical events" in order to be in this category. The category is simply for lists about things that happened in the past. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:45, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Lists of events lists holds lists of lists of events: containers of containers. The lists in the lists of events itemize events. Many of these events are not notable, and have no article. Thus Lists of murders contains List of journalists killed in Guatemala, which has many entries for killings that are not notable in the Wikipedia sense. It is not a list of historical events even if we assume that all events recorded in Wikipedia are historical. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:11, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
Category:People from the Øresund Region
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:40, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:People from the Øresund Region ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Not diffusing; not defining – just all "Category:People from" the area that is now branded as the Øresund Region, born at any time, without any specific connection to it. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 09:17, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:57, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Lists of 20th-century trips
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:40, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of 20th-century trips to Category:Lists of 20th-century diplomatic visits
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of 21st-century trips to Category:Lists of 21st-century diplomatic visits
- Nominator's rationale: rename, aligning with Category:Lists of diplomatic visits by heads of state. Almost, but not every, article in the nominated categories is about a head of state. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:42, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per nom Althistwikibox (talk) 12:36, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:25, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Chronology by event
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:40, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Chronology by event to Category:Chronological summaries by sports competition
- Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content of the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:47, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:26, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Elliot Rodger copycat crimes
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:40, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Elliot Rodger copycat crimes ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Strains of copycat crimes can be defining (and is for Christchurch and Columbine, which have had academic works written about them in connection with the attacks they inspired), but there has not been a single actually confirmed or generally agreed upon Isla Vista copycat attack and the phenomenon is not really discussed as it does not exist. The Toronto van attack tie to Isla Vista was later revealed to be a lie the perp of that made up for attention and the connection to the others is not established, and is not even mentioned in some of these articles - the perp merely being an incel who mentioned him does not a copycat make. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:50, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- Creator was also indeffed as a sock (not that that alters the merits of the category). PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:54, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- Comment, some of the articles may be moved to Category:Copycat crimes. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- The problem is that none of these are really copycat crimes. Maybe Toronto van attack. PARAKANYAA (talk) 07:01, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Needs third opinion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:11, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Ok, I am happy to leave adding anything to Category:Copycat crimes up to editorial discretion. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:45, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Fine by me. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:06, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Lists of days
- Propose merging Category:Lists of days to Category:Lists of observances
- Nominator's rationale: merge, largely overlapping scope. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:27, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- Merge both to Category:Lists of holidays and observances. - I said this in a separate nom, but I think the whole Holidays and Observances trees should probably be merged, and if so, this seems the best target name. - jc37 21:39, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
- It seems that you want to deprecate "holidays" in cayegory names at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_March_30#Category:Holidays, so we should keep the target where it is. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:43, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but that's not my intent there. (And hopefully, not what I said there?) Both words are necessary, but not as separate, overlapping categories. - jc37 23:25, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- It seems that you want to deprecate "holidays" in cayegory names at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_March_30#Category:Holidays, so we should keep the target where it is. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:43, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
Category:1st house of Courtenay
- Propose merging Category:1st house of Courtenay to Category:House of Courtenay
- Propose merging Category:Burial sites of the 1st house of Courtenay to Category:Burial sites of the House of Courtenay
- Nominator's rationale: Merge per nom. Being honest, I can't tell the distinction between the "1st" and the "House of Courtenay". As far as I can tell, its the same family/relation. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:32, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
- It appears that Peter I of Courtenay established a different House of Courtenay, as a branch of the French royal family. The members are in Category:Capetian House of Courtenay. The original Courtenays moved to England at the time. It is likely, but not certain, that the two Polish people in Category:House of Courtenay actually belong in Category:Capetian House of Courtenay. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:15, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. This is a term invented by wikipedia and should therefore be eliminated as unverifiable and non-defining. It does not meet the requirements of Wikipedia:Categorization#Categorizing articles. Celia Homeford (talk) 13:56, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
- Deletion is certainly not an option because these people were of the same family. Either rename, with a more explicit disambiguator, or merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:People associated with GLAAD
- Propose deleting Category:People associated with GLAAD ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization by association. The people categorized here were not all associated with GLAAD in the same way -- some were presidents, some were staffers, some were board members -- so they cannot simply be generically categorized as "associated with". Bearcat (talk) 22:27, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Presidents of GLAAD and purge if needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:57, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any thoughts on Marcocapelle's suggestion?
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- Rename to presidents category as suggested above. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:30, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:GLAAD staff members. ApexParagon (talk) 19:43, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Dispute of scope: All staff, or only presidents?
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- Rename to Category:Presidents of GLAAD per WP:OCASSOC. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:28, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
Category:Bolshevik Regional Forces During The Russian Civil War
- Propose deleting Category:Bolshevik Regional Forces During The Russian Civil War ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Not sure what the purpose of this category is supposed to be. It appears to be a collection of republics, which are already well categorized, rather than a collection of "Regional Forces." Gjs238 (talk) 12:46, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- The category was originally meant to be a collection of soviet republics and regional forces that existed during the russian civil and acted under the bolsheviks. The list came from a previous version of the russian civil war article which at present does not list these republics, instead listing them under "Regional forces". I tried adding the category as a link in the infobox but ran into problems. In my opinion, the category still has use since it directly links several soviet republics with little documentation outside of their own articles and esspecialy within the russian civil article which makes little mention of them. BreadStickGuy (talk) 13:14, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, Soviet republics are already in Category:Republics of the Soviet Union. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:57, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- That is also wrong, only some of them are in that category since the rest ceased to exist following the Union Treaty such as the Persian, Galician, Far-Eastern etc. There is simply little documentation for these early soviet republics outside of this category. This can be fixed if these early republics are added into the existing Republics of the Soviet Union which i am open too. BreadStickGuy (talk) 02:14, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
- Previously existing Category:Early Soviet republics is a suitable location for those articles. Gjs238 (talk) 21:30, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
Agree on adding them to Category:Republics of the Soviet Union if they aren't already there.Marcocapelle (talk) 10:46, 16 March 2025 (UTC)- As noted, they are in Category:Early Soviet republics. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- Agreed, the category is redundant and should be deleted promptly. BreadStickGuy (talk) 14:55, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- As noted, they are in Category:Early Soviet republics. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete, as previously existing Category:Early Soviet republics and/or Category:Republics of the Soviet Union provide suitable categories for these articles. Gjs238 (talk) 21:27, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
Category:Tyla (South African singer)
- Propose renaming Category:Tyla (South African singer) to Category:Tyla
- Nominator's rationale: I was going to submit a speedy rename request per C2D before realizing that this was requested 5 months ago but was opposed at Category talk:Tyla (South African singer) on the grounds of "Tyla" being too ambiguous. I disagree with this assertion because the main subject article has no disambiguation required and there is nothing at the non-existent Tyla cat. Considering no formal CfD was initiated from that original discussion, I am starting this now. People looking for a cat about Tyla would not be surprised to find articles only for the singer mononymously known as Tyla. Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:36, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Support, all I can say is that I was the one who requested the move/rename 5 months ago. dxneo (talk) 04:03, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, too ambiguous. After renaming, people may well add articles of other Tylas to this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:57, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Even when Tyla is the primary topic of the singer predominantly known by this name? That's why Tyla (disambiguation) exists, and if any other Tylas from that DAB warranted a cat of their own, I'm pretty sure they would be properly disambiguated. That logic just does not add up to me. Trailblazer101 (talk) 05:08, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- People can add articles to categories without looking at the main article or even without looking at the category page, so disambiguators are more important for categories than for articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:23, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- I suppose, but reasonably, most editors would likely do their due diligence first. We cannot and should not preemptively take inaction just because some people could assume something that is incorrect. I find it hard to believe someone would genuinely want to add this cat thinking it would be for anyone with this name. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:54, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Saying people might add other articles to the cat is not really valid reason, because there are lots of Chris Browns and we do not see that happening. Beside, we will keep our eyes on the cat to make sure that simple mistake does not happen. dxneo (talk) 23:22, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
- I suppose, but reasonably, most editors would likely do their due diligence first. We cannot and should not preemptively take inaction just because some people could assume something that is incorrect. I find it hard to believe someone would genuinely want to add this cat thinking it would be for anyone with this name. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:54, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- People can add articles to categories without looking at the main article or even without looking at the category page, so disambiguators are more important for categories than for articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:23, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Even when Tyla is the primary topic of the singer predominantly known by this name? That's why Tyla (disambiguation) exists, and if any other Tylas from that DAB warranted a cat of their own, I'm pretty sure they would be properly disambiguated. That logic just does not add up to me. Trailblazer101 (talk) 05:08, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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700s–990s in Japan
- Propose merging Category:700s in Japan (5) to Category:8th century in Japan and Category:700s
- Propose merging Category:710s in Japan (5) to Category:8th century in Japan and Category:710s
- Propose merging Category:720s in Japan (4) to Category:8th century in Japan and Category:720s
- Propose merging Category:730s in Japan (3) to Category:8th century in Japan and Category:730s
- Propose merging Category:740s in Japan (4) to Category:8th century in Japan and Category:740s
- Nominator's rationale: Not useful for navigation through at least the end of the 10th century. WP:NARROW/WP:OCYEAR. Manually merge to the decade parent as many of the articles may already be in subcategories of that category. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:38, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Century categories are not particularly helpful when trying to locate specific eras or events. Dimadick (talk) 16:43, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, these categories should be kept and where possible further populated, not upmerged to very broad categories. Fram (talk) 16:56, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- Consensus was to merge to century level up to year 1000 per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 3#Up to year 1000 in China, England, France and Japan. These are actually recreations of deleted categories. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:39, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- That was "per SMALLCAT" which no longer has consensus, and that was for year categories, not for decade categories. We have already lost so much useful categories due to the imagined need for bigger, less precise categories because, well, no idea why, losing information for the sake of having less categories I guess. Why would you force a reader who is interested in the 700s in Japan to go through all the articles from the 800s in Japan, or all the articles from the 700s, to get what they need? Fram (talk) 08:53, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- The discussion was for both years and decades. And 700s and 800s are in separate centuries, so a reader would not need to do that. –Aidan721 (talk) 12:50, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, that 700/800 typo I made sure made all the difference there... Fram (talk) 13:01, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- It makes all the difference. The decade categories were deleted by consensus via the linked discussion. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:27, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, that 700/800 typo I made sure made all the difference there... Fram (talk) 13:01, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- Agreed. Need to populate time categories on a finer level, not remove existing work that merely results in less precise categories. Doprendek (talk) 22:21, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- The discussion was for both years and decades. And 700s and 800s are in separate centuries, so a reader would not need to do that. –Aidan721 (talk) 12:50, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- That was "per SMALLCAT" which no longer has consensus, and that was for year categories, not for decade categories. We have already lost so much useful categories due to the imagined need for bigger, less precise categories because, well, no idea why, losing information for the sake of having less categories I guess. Why would you force a reader who is interested in the 700s in Japan to go through all the articles from the 800s in Japan, or all the articles from the 700s, to get what they need? Fram (talk) 08:53, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- Consensus was to merge to century level up to year 1000 per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 3#Up to year 1000 in China, England, France and Japan. These are actually recreations of deleted categories. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:39, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom and WP:G4. After merging it will become much easier between the articles of the century. Within a decade there is very little to navigate to. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:11, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- Disagree. Time categories like years are inherent categories. One knows what the categories will be even if they "don't exist" yet (i.e. don't have an included Wikipedia article--yet). The answer in this and other cases of (for now) "underpopulated" years is to always include a good breadcrumb template at the top of the category to easily move to the next or previous year in the category. This provides not only simpler navigation but more precise categorization. If people who insist on "ease of navigation" through years really want to help out, I suggest a discussion on assigning an all-purpose standardized year navigation template, expected in any year category, that would have a robust skip-gap feature that seamlessly incorporates years as they are added to the category. Doprendek (talk) 15:43, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- There is no such thing as inherent categories, we create categories upon need. In ancient periods there is no need for years, in even more ancient periods there is no need for decades. The chance that someone interested in the ancient history of Japan is only interested in the 950s is very close to zero. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:20, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
- Disagree. Time categories like years are inherent categories. One knows what the categories will be even if they "don't exist" yet (i.e. don't have an included Wikipedia article--yet). The answer in this and other cases of (for now) "underpopulated" years is to always include a good breadcrumb template at the top of the category to easily move to the next or previous year in the category. This provides not only simpler navigation but more precise categorization. If people who insist on "ease of navigation" through years really want to help out, I suggest a discussion on assigning an all-purpose standardized year navigation template, expected in any year category, that would have a robust skip-gap feature that seamlessly incorporates years as they are added to the category. Doprendek (talk) 15:43, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Wikipedia categories named after events
- Propose deleting Category:Wikipedia categories named after events
- Propose merging Category:Wikipedia categories named after events by type to Category:Eponymous categories
- Nominator's rationale: delete/merge, "events" is used here in the vague meaning of "anything that happened". The subcategories do not really have something in common. This is follow-up on this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:23, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:29, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
Category:Wireless Power Consortium
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:43, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Wireless Power Consortium ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: The two pages are already interlinked, the current category doesn't help navigation SMasonGarrison 02:24, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.