January 17
Category:Cults
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- The result of the discussion was: manual merge to Category:New religious movements. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:08, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Cults ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: For the same reason Category:Cult leaders was deleted earlier last year - how are we defining this? The definition as formerly used at the top of this category was "Articles relating to cults, social groups that are defined by their unusual religious, spiritual, or philosophical beliefs, or by their common interest in a particular personality, object, or goal". Who are we deciding that they are unusual - and if it is merely that, then this can have many more categories added to it. I personally would say most every religious group is decidedly unusual. But clearly this is not the actual definition used, since as MOS:CULT indicates cult has a very negative connotation beyond what we are saying. In lieu of a proper definition, as is this is a WP:SUBJECTIVECAT.
- Furthermore, I don't even think this is a common definition, nor the one we use in the cult article - definitions now either focus on say, abusiveness or controllingness as the qualifying factor for a group being a cult, or are the older one where it is basically just new religious movement. What is in here now is a nonsensical mix of all of the above. There are some valid subcategories of this (works about cults, anti-cult movement) but as is this category is extremely duplicative of Category:New religious movements, and the ones that aren't have little in common and are thrown here with no rhyme or reason. If you look in this category, many of the listed articles don't even mention cults or why it's called a cult, some are BLPs, there is no rhyme or reason as to what is in this except they're weird and some are abusive. Several of the articles categorized here don't even have the word cult in the article. I'm not all in on this being deleted (especially since the subcategories), if someone has a solution as to what to do with this, but it needs to be settled on what goes in this category and what does not, or renamed. The definition used before is not actually what is in the category - so what is? PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:04, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- We should leave this and bring cult leaders back. Every religion has to go through the “cult” status until it either dissolves or is accepted. The vast majority of these are fringe groups with small memberships. Even the large and older ones like the Latter Day Saints are still small in size and hold ideas considered to be cultish by most world societies (becoming a god with your favorite wife and ruling over your own planet for eternity - a sacred core belief supported by the Twelve and given by Moroni). 170.52.189.195 (talk) 04:27, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- That is the old sociological definition, and is the exact same as what a new religious movement is. If we were to use that definition it would be an exact copy of the new religious movements category. In that case, we should delete it for being a duplicate. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:25, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- We should leave this and bring cult leaders back. Every religion has to go through the “cult” status until it either dissolves or is accepted. The vast majority of these are fringe groups with small memberships. Even the large and older ones like the Latter Day Saints are still small in size and hold ideas considered to be cultish by most world societies (becoming a god with your favorite wife and ruling over your own planet for eternity - a sacred core belief supported by the Twelve and given by Moroni). 170.52.189.195 (talk) 04:27, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
If not kept, thenmanually merge to Category:New religious movements. Also, we should then keep at least a disambiguation page, linking to Category:New religious movements as well as Category:Cults of personality. Marcocapelle (talk) 00:47, 18 January 2025 (UTC)- That sounds like a better plan than the current situation. - jc37 16:51, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- I've stricken my reservation. After reading IP's comment I realized it is very difficult to define when a new religious movement becomes 'accepted'. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:27, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle See my comment above. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:25, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- @PARAKANYAA: A manual merge would entail adding pages to Category:New religious movements if necessary, and then deleting Category:Cults. Is that an acceptable outcome? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:52, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
- @HouseBlaster Fine by me. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:07, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
- @PARAKANYAA: A manual merge would entail adding pages to Category:New religious movements if necessary, and then deleting Category:Cults. Is that an acceptable outcome? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:52, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle See my comment above. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:25, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- I've stricken my reservation. After reading IP's comment I realized it is very difficult to define when a new religious movement becomes 'accepted'. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:27, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- That sounds like a better plan than the current situation. - jc37 16:51, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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2030s in transport
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:44, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:2030 in transport (1 C) to Category:2030
- Propose merging Category:2031 in transport (1 C) to Category:2031
- Propose merging Category:2032 in transport (1 C) to Category:2032
- Propose merging Category:2033 in transport (1 C) to Category:2033
- Propose merging Category:2034 in transport (1 C) to Category:2034
- Propose merging Category:2037 in transport (1 C) to Category:2037
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory in each of them. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- Merge All subcategories are for rail transport. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:23, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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Category:2034 in sports in Utah
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:2034 in the United States. And delete Category:2034 in American sports. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:49, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:2034 in sports in Utah to Category:2034 in the United States
and Category:2034 in sports
- Propose merging Category:2034 in sports in Utah to Category:2034 in the United States
- Nominator's rationale: merge, the subcategory is the only content of a gigantic tree under the first target. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:56, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. And also delete Category:2034 in American sports (which contains the same content). WP:TOOSOON. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:42, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- Also don't merge to Category:2034 in sports, the content is already in Category:2034 in multi-sport events. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:46, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- Good point. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:05, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- Also don't merge to Category:2034 in sports, the content is already in Category:2034 in multi-sport events. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:46, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Mark Tremonti albums
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:46, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Mark Tremonti albums to Category:Tremonti (band) albums
- Propose renaming Category:Mark Tremonti songs to Category:Tremonti (band) songs
- Nominator's rationale: The content of these categories contain albums and songs by Tremonti (band). The name of the categories should reflect that. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 06:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Knights of the Order of Saint John (chartered 1888)
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- The result of the discussion was: manual merge to the appropriate targets. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:47, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Merge into the appropriate subcats. Covers exactly the same ground. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:54, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Presumably merge to Category:Knights of the Order of St John in particular. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:55, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Necrothesp: is that an acceptable alternative? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:41, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Depends whether all the people in this cat were knights! As the blurb has it:
Commanders, Knights, and Dames of the British Order of Saint John (chartered 1888)
. There are clearly no dames here, but I don't know whether any were commanders. The "alternative" doesn't actually conflict with my original proposal. It's basically what I said. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:46, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Depends whether all the people in this cat were knights! As the blurb has it:
- @Necrothesp: is that an acceptable alternative? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:41, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Necrothesp's comment?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:52, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- For pity's sake, I'm agreeing! No need to relist whatsoever. Merge to appropriate categories, as I said! -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- I do not know where André M. Levesque and Tāufaʻāhau Tupou IV belong, but the others are certainly knights. @Necrothesp: please help with those two articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:50, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- Levesque was a Knight of Justice. Tāufaʻāhau Tupou was a Bailiff Grand Cross. Both have categories. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:53, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Sculptures by medium
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:51, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Sculptures by medium to Category:Sculptures by material
- Nominator's rationale: Most other links to this category in other languages say "by material" and not "by medium" as in "by form of mass media" that which this category is obviously not relating to sculptures by their kind of mass media (a medium) that which they appear in. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 03:28, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. The subcategories of Category:Sculptures by country and medium should be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: A "medium" means a material in contexts like this. The terms other Wikipedias use don't have any bearing on category names here; WP:CONSISTENT says "
It is not considered important for article titles on the English Wikipedia to be consistent with the titles of corresponding articles on Wikipedia in other languages
", and article naming conventions apply to category names as well, per WP:CATNAME. That said, there is some inconsistency in the way the term "medium" is used within the Category:Works by medium tree. Moving this category could affect Category:Paintings by medium (fresco, within that category, is a technique or a medium but not a material). Ham II (talk) 10:16, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Chechen surgeons
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:44, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Chechen surgeons
- Nominator's rationale: Small category (only one entry) and non-defining intersection. Merge is not needed, as the singular entry is already in "Chechen people" categories and "surgeon" categories. ForsythiaJo (talk) 00:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, also per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
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