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Category:The Buggles albums
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The result of the discussion was:speedy keep per WP:SNOW. There have been hundreds of CfD nominations that have ratified the principle that all albums need an "(artist) albums" category.--Mike Selinker (talk) 05:45, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Useless; The Buggles only released 2 albums, so what's the point? The categories New Wave albums and Synthpop albums are more usable. EditorE (talk) 21:12, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Limited to two articles and better located within the larger categories. Not a notable characteristic. SFB17:13, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Athletes by event categories
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This category type represents a needless extra layer of categorisation into the structure. The subcategories could easily be accommodated at the "Fooian athletes" level. The event subcategories are limited to 15 by design and the only other subcategories present at the Fooian level are typically the "Olympic/Paralympic Fooian athletes" and the stub sorting category (not busy at all). The current structure offers no semantic benefit to the tree that would not be found if these event subcats were located at the athletes by nation level. SFB12:33, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The right name of the category should be Category:Athletes by event, where, instead there is a redirect to the category that we want to delete. Others 16 Wikipedia in the world have this category. I think that category is necessary, because is necessary to have a "mother category" that contains athletes by events (and nationality), in different way to Category:Track and field athletes by event. --Kasper2006 (talk) 13:30, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the hierarchy is correct, but the "by event" division serves no purpose. Consider this: if all sub-categories currently within the "by event and nationality" type categories (e.g. Finnish sprinters) are located directly within the nationality category instead (e.g. Finnish athletes) then the main container (Category:Athletes by nationality and event) is completely redundant to Category:Athletes by nationality (because a Finnish sprinter is an obvious sub-division of Finnish athletes anyway).
For example, the "event" and "nationality" trees for Finnish sprinters are as follows:
Category:Track and field athletes by event --> Category:Sprinters --> Category:Finnish sprinters
Category:Athletes by nationality --> Category:Finnish athletes --> Category:Finnish athletes by event --> Category:Finnish sprinters
In the second tree, the "by event" category is a completely superfluous tree (it's sole parent are "Finnish athletes" and the container "Category:Athletes by nationality and event"). If the "Fooian "EVENT"ers" categories are brought into the main nationality cat then we see that the hierarchy is more efficiently rationalised:
Category:Athletes by nationality --> Category:Finnish athletes --> Category:Finnish sprinters
Merge each to the parent Fooian athletes and eliminate this unnecessary level of categorisation. This will retain the category, but in a more suitable location. I checked the Belgian category, where there were several dozen articles that probably needed moving to a subcat accoridng to the event. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:09, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You're right; thanks for pointing out this alternative path. It appears then, that this category scheme does not shorten the path between the by event and by nationality but instead just adds another path. -- Black Falcon(talk)02:55, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Northern League (association football) players
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Category:Southern League (association football) players
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Category:Cromwell, New Zealand
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Category:Texas state highway loops and spurs
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Category:Texas farm to market roads
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Nominator's rationale: For consistency with the other categories of this sort, and consistency with the Texas Department of Transportation's naming scheme, which is "Farm to Market Road". Imzadi 1979→03:53, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Let me point out that many roads would need to be included in both categories due to their histories either through being renamed or having their numerical designations killed in one place only to be reborn in another. FMs and RMs, like loops and spurs, don't contemporaneously share the same numerical designations, although historical routes may conflict with current ones. Also, there is the issue of RM business routes. So far there is only one, but TxDOT has officially given it an FM business designation nonetheless. The general public is blind to this--the reassurance marker says "Business" instead of "Farm Road" or "Ranch Road"--but since business routes only get their subsection within the parent route's article, this is another source of duplicity. Fortguy (talk) 05:22, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If TxDOT is not drawing a distinction between them, and we can't invent our own term ({{WP:NOR]]), then we default back to matching the lead article and using the Texas-specific capitalization TxDOT uses, which is the original proposal. In short, the prohibition against original research means we can't use Fortguy's suggestion as that would be a policy violation. Imzadi 1979→06:56, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The way things stand now:
Category:Texas ranch to market roads is an empty category. It contains a template stating that the category should be empty and contains a redirect to the Farm Road category.
Categorization has nothing to do with research, original or otherwise. It has to do with organizing an encyclopedia in a way that groups similar topics together for the convenience of the reader.
Categories also have nothing to do with technicalities of the distinctions that transportation authorities make. If it did, then we would need a third category for Urban Roads since Farm and Ranch Road designations are mostly deprecated in urban areas and their signage is only a legacy of their former status. Furthermore, I know of at least two roads that have both Farm and Ranch Road designations. Neither has its own article yet, and the dual designations are most likely a bureaucratic SNAFU, but nonetheless technically official. Fortguy (talk) 18:11, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong, it is original research to apply a label to a roadway, and then categorize it based on that label, that isn't backed by a reliable source. Your proposed nomenclature ("Farm and Ranch to Market Roads") does not exist in the reliable sources so it should not be used. We can't just make up a name because Fortguy says so.
In cases where a roadway is both a FM and a RM, just add both categories, or if titled under the FM name, add the RM category to the RM redirect. Either way, the "problem" is solved and not a big deal.
If you want to make a Category:Urban Roads in Texas and use it, then do so. However, no articles are under that title so it's not a priority of this nomination, which is to rename a category to follow the "<road type> in <location>" style of other highway categories and to apply the standard TxDOT capitalization to the term. Please confine your comments to that as all other objections have nothing to do with renaming the category under discussion. The RM category has been tagged for a speedy rename, and quite frankly, whether or not it is used has nothing to do with how the FM category is named. Imzadi 1979→22:28, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Texas Recreational Roads
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We should also discuss merging Park and Recreational Roads into the same category as there is not an especially long list of either. I personally don't have a preference regarding these two, but I'd be interested in what others have to say. Frankly, I think the Texas Task Force has way too many categories that should either be combined due to redundancy, deleted, or dropped as being outside of or at best only tangentially touching upon the scope of the project and let other more appropriate projects maintain them. Fortguy (talk) 04:45, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but we can't invent names for categories. This is a category of roadway that TxDOT maintains and classifies separately from the others, so it's not appropriate to merge it with another one just to consolidate things. The remainder of your comments don't impact this discussion, which is about the category and not the project. Imzadi 1979→04:58, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to support Imzadi here. Park roads are a completely different system from recreational roads. Park roads are more of a primary highway system, while recreational roads are more of a secondary highway system. - Awardgive, the editor with the msitaken name. 06:27, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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