The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. If anyone finds a suitable wiki to transwiki this to, I'm happy to email the source code so you can do that - just ask. asilvering (talk) 02:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

U.S. automobile production figures (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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WP:NOTSTATS with no inline citations and mostly essay content in the lead, and arbitrarily cut off at 2000. WP:SYNTH may also be a concern because the sources used might have different methodologies for estimating production in a given model year. PROD contested because:

Objecting to deletion, there are citations, and this information doesn't appear available elsewhere on Wikipedia and it provides valuable information, I'm not sure why this should be deleted
— User:97.176.15.217 22:41, 31 October 2024

But "valuable information" and "not available elsewhere" are not valid justifications for collections of data, especially a year-by-year breakdown over an entire century that does not include all companies. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Business, Transportation, Lists, and United States of America. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Waddles 🗩 🖉 02:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. This is a relic of an earlier era that would be more useful as tabular data on Commons. After 19 years, it's only linked to by 3 articles - two of them as improper circular references rather than useful wikilinks. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 03:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:NOTSTATS and nom. I am sure someone else has collected these figures before but it won't have the significant coverage to sustain such a list. Conyo14 (talk) 04:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment The news media does cover which are the bestselling vehicles of the year. Google news search for bestselling vehicles in America and each year, finds some results in reliable sources giving significant coverage to this. We have articles for List of best-selling automobiles and List of automobile sales by model. List of countries by motor vehicle production exist as well. This list just shows how many vehicles were made in America by each company year by year. Does production per country get coverage, or just global sales? Dream Focus 07:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Wouldn't that just be WP:SYNTH issues? In which case I would argue just for a redirect to the automobile sales by model list as a potential target. Conyo14 (talk) 08:23, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - I agree that this entry is clearly not supported by WP:NOTSTATS, but is there some place where this kind of information can be retained? It would be a shame to simply throw away painstakingly collected stats like these. As per WP:SYNTH concerns, it is easy enough to add a note that the numbers may reflect different measuring methods and so on. I often see that in published works and listings as well.  Mr.choppers | ✎  16:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is incredibly valuable information. Effort should be made to improve and expand.

The table format is hard to use. It should be reformatted into a table of year and manufacturer.

If the decision is made to delete the date, it would be valuable to reallocate to pages for each manufacturer.

As a historical reference, it serves a valuable role for research and education. Ed Tate (talk) 21:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.