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Note to self

Dear Huldra,

Please note user: Shoogiboogi biased editing Palestine related articles, including bringing back unauthorized edits by anon users on Extend-Protect articles and changing the text with an Israeli ideological mindset contrary to the sources cited in support of the text. For example in Yibna,Mevo Horon, Imwas etc.

Your help in watching over this issue would be much appreciated.

רמרום (talk) 18:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

sorry,רמרום, I am travelling at the moment (with no/or bad internet connection), will look at it when I am back home, Huldra (talk) 18:00, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just saw: Shoogiboogi is already blocked as yet another Icewhiz sock, Huldra (talk) 18:35, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, have safe travels. רמרום (talk) 19:01, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The arbitration case Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 5 has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

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For the Arbitration Committee, SilverLocust 💬 23:58, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard § Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 5 closed
Ok, noted, Huldra (talk) 09:53, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Khan Arnabeh

I see you reversed my edit without even editing it. You basically do whatever you like based on your POV, as if Wikipedia is X. Care to explain why leaving a statement implicating that Khan Arnabeh is basically part of the 1967-occupied 1974-demarcated Israeli Golan is justified? Or do you just want to argue politics again? Monosig (talk) 14:13, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Monosig: I basically undid you because you removed the palestinechronicle.com source. The article still says that: "The town is located just outside the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force Zone", if you want to expand on that; please go ahead. cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I assume that the source you are referring to was within the removed text and is probably very POV, seeing as it's a Palestinian site dealing with Israeli activities in Syria. A novice on Israel-Syria and Golan matters would assume from the current text that Khan Arnabeh is part of the Israeli-occupied (1967, 1974) Golan and wouldn't "get" the UN zone nuance. Thank you for the homework, maybe I'll find some time to put it right, or maybe you will. Don't be so fast to assume mala fide in every Middle Eastern edit, it's exhausting. Life is bad enough in the real world, it doesn't need to be imported here. Cheers Monosig (talk) 11:08, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User:Monosig, sorry,I don't follow you here. Firstly, saying that palestinechronicle.com is "probably very POV"; how would you like if I said an Israeli source was "probably very POV"? Secondly, the only thing you removed (besides the palestinechronicle.com-ref) was the sentence "in the portion of the province under Israeli control". I fail to see that that sentence (even if returned) would clarify that Khan Arnabeh wasn't part of Israeli-occupied Golan Heights, cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:43, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page size

Hello! I just wanted to request that you archive your user talk page. While it may not be bothersome to you, many editors have slow connections, and having a very large talk page can hamper communication. If you need help, just check out the guide over at Help:Archiving a talk page. Thanks! 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 20:31, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Abo Yemen OK, will do. I don't archive it though, I normally just delete it, Huldra (talk) 20:34, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can set it up for you if you want 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 20:39, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User:Abo Yemen yes , please ;), Huldra (talk) 20:42, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
bet 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 20:43, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User:Abo Yemen please keep the "note to self"-section, Huldra (talk) 20:45, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
done 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 20:52, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry User:Abo Yemen: I don't see the difference, Huldra (talk) 20:58, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've set up the bot to archive this page, it should get started on it in a bit (probably in an hour or two) 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 21:01, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User:Abo Yemen Ah, I see, thanks! Huldra (talk) 21:03, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
check it out now 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 17:59, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User talk:Abo Yemen Thanks! , Huldra (talk) 21:07, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Revert

Hey, I reverted your revert here. As I am working on the removal of multiple links in the long term, I wanted to notify you and ask if there are any concerns about this? FortunateSons (talk) 09:11, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:FortunateSons: On what authority do you remove EL-links? That has not been decided anywhere on wp, AFAIK? Huldra (talk) 20:23, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For posterity: it’s the link in the edit summary, already found by Huldra FortunateSons (talk) 20:37, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The link is to "Use of Electronic Intifada within external links" at WP:EL/N, and no: I don't see a consensus there, Huldra (talk) 21:34, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is consensus that one generally shouldn’t, and that WP:ELBURDEN means that unless there is an affirmative consensus for inclusion, one can remove the EL. I have notified you to allow you to establish such a consensus, which is above and beyond the policy requirements. FortunateSons (talk) 21:41, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User:FortunateSons: Well, as I have already asked you at WP:EL/N, please stop removing links while there is an active discussion, Huldra (talk) 21:44, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Already responded to you there. While I believe that I’m permitted by policy to do so, as the noticeboard can’t issue a broad consensus as required by WP:ELBURDEN in favour of the source (and definitely can’t do so without an RfC), I agree that it wouldn’t be productive, so yes. FortunateSons (talk) 21:48, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User:FortunateSons: I became aware of your revert at As-Sawiya 13 hours ago, when I logged on today. I didn't "watch" WP:EL/N, Huldra (talk) 21:56, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I assumed that this was a possibility, which is the reason for the notification here. Just to be clear, the offer made here obviously applies to you as well, I genuinely don’t think that all uses of EI within external links are bad, even if most are, and would hate to accidentally remove one that adds significant value for the reader. FortunateSons (talk) 22:00, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have added a link to that discussion at WP:EL/N at WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration, hence it will (hopefully) get some more attention, Huldra (talk) 22:45, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, sounds good FortunateSons (talk) 22:46, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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