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Regarding USF Juniors, USF2000 Championship, and USF Pro 2000 Championship, I'm curious if someone who knows more about these series than I do is planning to create the 2026 season articles for them. Assadzadeh (talk) 18:19, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We need a schedule first before the driver news will start coming out to create the articles. 🇮🇪 TheChrisD {💬|✏️} 21:53, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The template Template:IndyCar Series is incredibly bulky, is on pages that violate WP:BIDIRECTIONAL as they don't link to it. The complete roster of Drivers/teams/races and updating the year is different than templates for NASCAR and Formula 1. Can someone shed light on what is going on here?-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 05:02, 28 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Would you please be more specific why you believe it's bulky and give an example of a page that violates WP:BIDIRECTIONAL? Assadzadeh (talk) 15:26, 28 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

There are several drivers and 2024 races [1] that transcludes this template, however they are not included in the template. BIDIRECTIONAL says that the navbox needs to link to all of the pages it is transcluded on. Now regarding how it is bulky, Template:NASCAR doesn't include drivers, and no Cup Series roster navbox exists. F1 Drivers are on Template:Formula One teams A template for a series you'd think would be about the series, not a faux current season navbox. It needs a complete overhaul.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 23:41, 28 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

For now I have moved Template:IndyCar Series to Template:2026 IndyCar Series until a generic one can be created. I have also modified most of the pages that transcluded the template, but were not included in it. However, I will wait until we have a better solution before proceeding further. I can't speak to NASCAR and Formula One, but how those WikiProjects choose to create their templates is up to them. In the meantime, you are welcome to create an overhauled IndyCar Series template in your sandbox and point this WikiProject to it for feedback. Assadzadeh (talk) 04:50, 29 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

See 2001 zMax 500, it is an absurd, yet accurate example on how this navbox isn't serving it's intended purpose.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 23:43, 28 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I myself would prefer to keep it just as Template:IndyCar Series, I think it's effective and works for the series. Why it was out of date and linked to those other pages was a now banned editor came in and made wholesale changes that I personally felt didn't add value to the Template, and a lot of the yearly cleanup work and additions didn't happen after that. Esw01407 (talk) 13:49, 29 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, wonderful. More SteeledDock cleanup. ―"Ghost of Dan Gurney" _(hihi) 14:45, 29 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2026 IndyCar Series has now been moved back to Template:IndyCar Series. Assadzadeh (talk) 18:43, 29 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose the crux of my argument is by comparison Template:Indy NXT Series vs. Template:Indy NXT Series teams. I know it is complex but Template:IndyCar Series Seasons seems more like a composite IndyCar Series template, the current IndyCar Series template is more like the NXT teams navbox. Would it be possible to rename, IndyCar Series Seasons→IndyCar Series and IndyCar Series→IndyCar Series teams? -UCO2009bluejay (talk) 05:43, 30 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

To further add to the confustion. The IndyCar Series Seasons template was originally just that. It was expanded over time and then massively so by a short term user in 2020. In its current state it appears to be more of a series template than listing current drivers and susceptible to silly season.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 05:56, 30 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, Template:Indy NXT Series teams lists teams, drivers, races, and "Road to Indy", similar to Template:IndyCar Series, whereas Template:IndyCar Series teams only lists current and former teams, but no drivers. So, perhaps it's time to revamp the templates for one or both series, depending on ehat should be included in each. Assadzadeh (talk) 06:00, 30 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If IndyCar Series→IndyCar Series teams, then it overwrites the latter, which lists the former teams. So, how do we preserve this historical data? Assadzadeh (talk) 06:07, 30 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It would take a request somewhere for page (template) swaps. It happens all the time on pages with WP:PRIMARYTOPIC changes. UCO2009bluejay (talk) 06:44, 30 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It took me a moment (or a couple of days) to realize what you actually referring to. See my new proposal below.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 03:15, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

So here is a breakdown of all of the templates that fall under the IndyCar Series scope that I find problematic and why:

1) Template:IndyCar Series is a list of current drivers and teams, tracks, races, and the "Road to Indy" league articles. If anything it is similar to Template:Formula One teams with extra information. Granted Template:Formula One constructors has the "teams" (using American terminology) itself. Shouldn't it be an overview of the series and organization?

2) Template:IndyCar Series Seasons. It originally was what it said it was a navbox for seasons.[2] By 2012, it had morphed into something that had tracks and champions. By 2020, SincerelySteve, a very brief user, added a ton of stuff to it unchecked.[3]. It also has much of the information that is in Template:IndyCar Series with much more added, including races too, and all of the information that would make sense in a series template.

3) Template:IndyCar Series teams, is similar to Template:NASCAR Cup Series teams so I get why the objection above was raised and I see (I was looking at the F1 template for inspiration).

So here is my new proposal: Simplify the scope and reduce redundnacies on navboxes.

A) Template:IndyCar Series Seasons needs to be a template solely on the list of seasons, and renamed to lowercase the s in seasons per MOS:CAPS. It would be in line with Template:Champ Car Seasons and analogous to Template:NASCAR Cup Series Championship.

B) Template:IndyCar Series should be re-written to indude more of the scope of the series WP:BIDIRECTIONAL needs to be a focus. Much of the information in IndyCar Series Seasons may be included. However, there is too much in it as it stands. Tracks have their own navbox, Template:IndyCar Series racetracks. Don't champions have their own navbox? Oh wait, they do Template:IndyCar Series Champions Races have their own navbox, Template:IndyCar Series races. Why are these all lumped together again?

It should NOT be an omnibus template, like the "Seasons" template is or deletionists are going to have a field day at TfD asking for all of these templates to be deleted for redundnacy. They would have a point. Let's fix this now before editors not invested in AOWR history get involved.

Honestly, other than the redundancies, I like the information here. Leadership, Title sponsors (maybe iffy), Road to Indy, Media Broadcasting, Lists, and Related topics, all make sense.

C) Move the current drivers and teams to a new template: Ex: Template:Current IndyCar Series drivers. It would be similar to current rosters in Major American sports. It would also leave Template:IndyCar Series teams in its current state. That way it would be updated rather than whatever was done in the mid 2010s, where it had to be moved/updated yearly. Wikipedia:Requests for history merge/Archive 22, Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 March 22.

D) Template:2026 IndyCar Series should be created and override the newly created redirect as a season race template like, other racing series templates, and others like the rest in that category. I will say that I have created quite a few of those in the preceding days. However some were extant before my involvement Template:2008 IndyCar Series is an example. If my C) proposal is adopted it also doesn't fail WP:PERFNAV if anyone tried to retroactively add drivers to previous seasons.

-Thoughts? –UCO2009bluejay (talk) 03:15, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

What you propose makes sense to me. Assadzadeh (talk) 03:50, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

So you keep bringing up WP:BIDIRECTIONAL, I need you fully to explain why you keep referencing it, I've read the page and I'm not understanding what you're arguing. I'm going to attempt to work with what I'm seeing right now until you can fully explain it.

A: I see what you're arguing for here.

B: To be honest, I could see the point of a lot of those other templates being deleted.

B & C: I'm having issues following what you are doing here, are you just taking all the content from Template:IndyCar Series and moving it to Template:Current IndyCar Series drivers?

D: I kind of find templates like this not very useful, they seem limited in scope. Esw01407 (talk) 03:56, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:Bidirectional: "Every article that transcludes a given navbox should normally also be included as a link in the navbox, so that the navigation is bidirectional." It is policy, not up for debate. In regards to your objection of D. Is like NASCAR and frankly all of the other sports. They link all the races of a season, and it also reduces the need for all of the succession boxes that are frankly a giant eyesore, and have been eliminated over time, it is archaic. If anything I am trying to simplify the scope of navboxes, and if anything bring it in line with what seems standard in NASCAR/F1 etc. Having an omnibus navbox makes little sense as it seems like an indiscriminate depository of links.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 04:07, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Another issue with an omnibus navbox, what do Tony Stewart, and Nashville Street Circuit have in common?-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 04:17, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I still do not understand what you are saying, please simplify it further, your copy paste post isn't helping. I don't know what you are arguing with the Tony Stewart and Nashville. Esw01407 (talk) 04:23, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I am saying that Tony Stewart and the Nashville Street circuit don't belong in the same navbox. It ain't that dense.- UCO2009bluejay (talk) 04:25, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

If a link is on the navbox, the navbox must be on that page.- UCO2009bluejay (talk) 04:25, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

That attack towards me was not necessary, thank you. I just asked for an explanation, you didn't need to show bad faith. So, what are you putting in this Template:Current IndyCar Series drivers, are you just moving the stuff from Template:IndyCar Series? Esw01407 (talk) 04:30, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I am not assuming bad faith, and I don't view this as adversarial, so aspersions shouldn't be cast either way. I just don't see what was unclear with what I said, I linked what I needed to link. The fact of the matter is that there are too many overlapping templates, that have a chaotic structure. What I am proposing would bring order to it. The templates are linked several times. Again Template:IndyCar Series is a depository of links of current series races and drivers. That shouldn't be the case. Many of the templates listed above are counterintuitve.- UCO2009bluejay (talk) 04:41, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

If you thought I was trying to say anything negative toward you, that wasn't my intention and I will apologize for that.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 04:45, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

You say that you have created quite a few of those (I assume you're referring to the proposrd templates) in the preceding days. If so, then would you please provide us the link(s) to your sandbox (or elsewhere) so that we can see for ourselves? Assadzadeh (talk) 04:58, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

See here, the order of the information of my sandbox IndyCar Series template is based on what is in the current Template:IndyCar Series Seasons, minus things that should be included in other navboxes or pages that likely won't need and IndyCar Series navbox (CBS Sports), etc. I think it may need some rearranging (example: Road to Indy placed lower in the navbox). And just so we are clear the 2026 navbox will turn blue when pages for the races are added. See Template:2026 NASCAR Cup, Template:F1GP 2020–2029.- UCO2009bluejay (talk) 05:28, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for providing the link. Now that I've seen them, it makes more sense. Assadzadeh (talk) 06:18, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing the visual of this, while I prefer the existing Template:IndyCar Series, if there is consensus, I can agree to your proposed setup. Thank you for providing the links. Esw01407 (talk) 11:55, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]