Talk:Empress Matilda

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Removal of grandparents

I don't care much (either) for ancestors or descendants that couldn't have known the person about whom the biography is constructed, but wouldn't some of those removed been alive when she was born? Student7 (talk) 16:13, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings, Student7 --- Since your post is from the mists of times past, you will probably not see this message. Be that as it may. A family tree is enormously helpful for us mere mice to see the relationships between the people spoken of in this article. I argue that the next generation should have been included, too, at least Henry II. Consider this family tree as akin to going to a racetrack - you need a scorecard to keep all the horses straight.
Thank you for your time, Wordreader (talk) 16:16, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Picture Change

I'm planning to change the portrait of her back to the 15th Century photo, it looks more royal/regal than the one currently.
If consensus agrees, go ahead and change it back.
BettyCrocker321 (talk) 13:43, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Later depictions can be included in later sections, in particular the 'Legacy' section, but I think the lead image should ideally be a contemporary or near-contemporary portrait. DrKay (talk) 14:29, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the infobox image should be as close to contemporary as we can manage. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:03, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As DrKay and Ealdgyth have both pointed out, depictions closer to the period in which the person loved are preferable. While they are not meant to be realistic portraits, they are at least more likely to convey contemporary dress. Richard Nevell (talk) 16:44, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source for File:Battle of Lincoln 1141.jpg

Do we have a source for File:Battle of Lincoln 1141.jpg by any chance? A455bcd9 (talk) 15:55, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It says 'Jim Bradbury's "Stephen and Matilda", p.106' on the file page. Celia Homeford (talk) 13:18, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Celia Homeford. (I made it clearer in the "Source" field on Commons) A455bcd9 (talk) 13:34, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestry

I suggest this variant ancestry of her:

Ancestors of Empress Matilda (1102–1167)
16. Richard II of Normandy[8]
8. Robert I of Normandy[5]
17. Judith of Brittany[8]
4. William I the Conqueror of England[1][2][4]
18. Fulbert of Falaise[8]
9. Herleva of Falaise[5]
19. Doda or Duxia?
2. Henry I of England[1][2][3][4]
20. Baldwin IV of Flanders[9]
10. Baldwin V of Flanders[1][6]
21. Ogive of Luxembourg[9]
5. Matilda of Flanders[1][2][4]
22. Robert II of France[10]
11. Adela of France and Flanders[1][6]
23. Constance of Arles[10]
1. Empress Matilda[1][2][3][4]
24. Crínán of Dunkeld[5][11]
12. Duncan I of Scotland[3][4][6]
25. Bethóc of Scotland[5][11]
6. Malcolm III of Scotland[2][3][4][5]
26. Siward of Northumbria?[5]
13. Suthen[6] (b. as Sybilla?)
27. Ælfflæd or Godgifu?
3. Matilda of Scotland[1][2][3][4]
28. Edmund II Ironside[3][6]
14. Edward the Exile[3][7]
29. Ealdgyth[3][6]
7. Saint Margaret of Scotland[2][3][4][5]
15. Agatha[7]

Sources:

References

  1. ^ a b c d e f g A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, pp 26, 32
  2. ^ a b c d e f g Chibnall 1991, p. ix
  3. ^ a b c d e f g h i Oram, David, p. 10 Cite error: The named reference "<ref2" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  4. ^ a b c d e f g h Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 118, 123 Cite error: The named reference "<ref4" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  5. ^ a b c d e f g Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 2, 162 Cite error: The named reference "<ref5" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  6. ^ a b c d e f Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 156–157 Cite error: The named reference "<ref6" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  7. ^ a b Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 2
  8. ^ a b c Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 118
  9. ^ a b Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 156
  10. ^ a b Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 62, 105, 109, 142
  11. ^ a b A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, p. 47

Dmitry Azikov (talk) 11:59, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The important bits of the ancestry are already in the article - in a chart even. The rest of it isn't useful to understanding the life of Matilda. Again - I point to WP:NOTGENEALOGY. We are not a genealogical work and should not present such information when biographies of the subject do not do so. And with this subject, we have a full book-length biography of Matilda - which does NOT present such an ancestor chart but instead includes a chart similar to the one already in this article - there is no need to duplicate this information again. Ealdgyth (talk) 12:08, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't plan now to add it to article, it is my an alternative variant which can be seen here in talk page Dmitry Azikov (talk) 14:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is not appropriate for a talk page. Talk pages are for discussing improvements to the article, not for use as alternative content sinks. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I think I can add any alternative content on my own talk page, add as many generations of ancestors of rulers as I can :) Dmitry Azikov (talk) 22:29, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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