Talk:American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers

Updated revenue numbers

Hi editors, for my next request, I propose updating the introduction with more current revenue and disbursement numbers:

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In 2021, ASCAP collected over US$1.335 billion in revenue, distributed $1.254 billion in royalties to rights-holders, and maintained a registry of over 16 million works. ASCAP membership surpassed 900,000 and revenues exceeded $1.5 billion in 2022.
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In 2024, ASCAP collected approximately <span style="white-space: nowrap">US$</span>1.84 billion in revenue, distributed approximately <span style="white-space: nowrap">US$</span>1.7 billion in royalties to rightsholders, and maintained a registry of approximately 20 million works. ASCAP had approximately 900,000 members as of 2022.

The updated text looks like the following:

In 2024, ASCAP collected approximately US$1.84 billion in revenue, distributed approximately US$1.7 billion in royalties to rightsholders, and maintained a registry of approximately 20 million works.[5] ASCAP had approximately 900,000 members as of 2022.[3]

This provides the most recent revenue numbers and clarifies the timeline of membership a bit while making it less promotional. Please let me know what you think! @Closetside: would you have any interest in looking at this request as well? Stephanie BINK (talk) 17:47, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: The changes are not supported by neutral, independent, reliable sources. Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Needs more secondary. Valorrr (lets chat) 17:54, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Valorrr: The reliable sources list specifically lists Variety as a reliable source for entertainment trade topics, which this is. The Variety articles are also written by a staff reporter who is independent of the topic. Can you explain why Variety is not reliable? Reopening this request in the meantime so others can weigh in.
Hi editors, I propose updating the outdated introduction with more recent information cited to Variety and replacing the ASCAP source used.
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In 2021, ASCAP collected over US$1.335 billion in revenue, distributed $1.254 billion in royalties to rights-holders, and maintained a registry of over 16 million works. ASCAP membership surpassed 900,000 and revenues exceeded $1.5 billion in 2022.
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In 2024, ASCAP collected approximately <span style="white-space: nowrap">US$</span>1.84 billion in revenue, distributed approximately <span style="white-space: nowrap">US$</span>1.7 billion in royalties to rightsholders, and maintained a registry of approximately 20 million works. ASCAP had approximately 900,000 members as of 2022.
The updated text looks like the following:
In 2024, ASCAP collected approximately US$1.84 billion in revenue, distributed approximately US$1.7 billion in royalties to rightsholders, and maintained a registry of approximately 20 million works.[7] ASCAP had approximately 900,000 members as of 2022.[3]
Please let me know what you think. Stephanie BINK (talk) 18:31, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not just that, but as I stated;
Needs more secondary.
You're relying on one source, not other opinions, that's why. Valorrr (lets chat) 18:34, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALSO please stop copy and pasting that same COI Request, it floods the logs. Valorrr (lets chat) 18:34, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Valorrr: Thanks for your response. Is this reference sufficient?[8]
Please let me know. Stephanie BINK (talk) 19:16, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Go ahead Valorrr (lets chat) 19:40, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Valorrr: Thanks! On a related note, what do you think about using this source to update the membership numbers in the following sentence, changing the sentence from:
  • ASCAP membership surpassed 900,000 and revenues exceeded $1.5 billion in 2022.
To:
  • The organization had approximately 1 million members as of 2024.[9]
Please let me know! Stephanie BINK (talk) 20:51, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Go ahead Also love Tate Mcrae (Tatiana)... Valorrr (lets chat) 14:12, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Go ahead: I have reviewed these proposed changes and suggest that you go ahead and make the proposed changes to the page. Valorrr (lets chat) 14:12, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Tate is great! Thanks for reviewing. I've made the update. Cheers Stephanie BINK (talk) 15:53, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b "ASCAP Delivers Record-Setting Revenues and Distributions to Songwriters, Composers and Publishers For 2021". www.ascap.com. 2022-03-03. Archived from the original on 2022-03-06. Retrieved 2022-03-23.
  2. ^ a b Aswad, Jem (2022-03-01). "ASCAP Delivers Record Revenue of $1.3 Billion for 2021". Variety. Retrieved 2022-03-23.
  3. ^ a b c d e f Aswad, Jem (2023-03-08). "ASCAP Posts Record $1.5 Billion in Revenue for 2022". Variety. Archived from the original on 2023-07-05. Retrieved 2023-09-09.
  4. ^ Aswad, Jem (February 27, 2025). "ASCAP Posts Record-Breaking $1.835 Billion in Revenue for 2024". Variety. Retrieved May 15, 2025.
  5. ^ Aswad, Jem (February 27, 2025). "ASCAP Posts Record-Breaking $1.835 Billion in Revenue for 2024". Variety. Retrieved May 15, 2025.
  6. ^ Aswad, Jem (February 27, 2025). "ASCAP Posts Record-Breaking $1.835 Billion in Revenue for 2024". Variety. Retrieved May 15, 2025.
  7. ^ Aswad, Jem (February 27, 2025). "ASCAP Posts Record-Breaking $1.835 Billion in Revenue for 2024". Variety. Retrieved May 15, 2025.
  8. ^ Christman, Ed (February 27, 2025). "ASCAP Posts 5.7% Revenue Growth, Distributes Nearly $1.7 Billion to Songwriters and Publishers". Billboard. Retrieved May 19, 2025.
  9. ^ Paine, Andre (February 27, 2025). "ASCAP reports record-breaking results with revenues increase of 6%". MusicWeek. Retrieved May 21, 2025.

Requested move 21 July 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Agent 007 (talk) 16:58, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers → ASCAPASCAP – Per MOS:ACRONYM, as sources mentioned in Google Ngram. Absolutiva 03:53, 21 July 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPathtalk 04:45, 28 July 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPathtalk 05:41, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject American music, WikiProject Organizations, and WikiProject Composers have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPathtalk 04:44, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Not exclusively known by its acronym and the acronym is not generally well-known outside the field. -- Necrothesp (talk) 06:56, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    ASCAP is most commonly used in publications, but can be as a primary topic. Absolutiva 07:21, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    No different from using RAF instead of Royal Air Force, for instance. But the full title is the best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Necrothesp (talk • contribs) 14:32, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – for all intensive purposes, it is exclusively known by its acronym. A google search for "ASCAP" brings nearly 7 million results, vs only 300k for the whole title... I don't think most people could spell out the acronym "NATO" so I'm not sure how "not generally well-known outside the field" is relevant. Aza24 (talk) 18:58, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the relevant guideline is WP:NCA. Is the topic primarily known by its acroynm, or the expansion of the acronym? i.e., which do most users know and search for, and which do users come to the article to learn is associated with the topic?
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