Talk:1867 Atlantic hurricane season

Possible sources and references for this article... Part 1

Some interesting graphics, and other data, about the 1867 season from Unisys Weather. http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atlantic/1867/index.html Their data comes from NOAAPORT at the National Weather Service. To use any of their graphics on Wikipedia (I don't know if you'd want to) you would have to contact them in order to get their agreement to an appropriate image license. Ask if you need help with this. It's noted here [1] that Unisys images are non-free (and therefore can't be used on Wikipedia).

1867 season track map on Commons. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1867_Atlantic_hurricane_season_map.png

Do you need any free track maps generated from raw data? You could try to get this working, or I could set it up myself, or you could ask one of the people who already has it working. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Tropical_cyclones/Tracks

Note the existence of this: San Narciso Hurricane This is an article about Nine in 1867. It needs some copyediting and also the years in the Infobox seem to be wrong. It's been proposed that it be merged into 1860–1869 Atlantic hurricane seasons but if your 1867 season article goes ahead, it could be merged into that instead.

1860–1869 Atlantic hurricane seasons cites "Marshall, Logan (2001), Sinking of the Titanic and Great Sea Disasters, San Antonio: The Vision Forum" as a source for some of the damage done by Nine. See if you can find information from this book, either at Google Books or in a library.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdeadlyapp2.shtml talks about approximate numbers of deaths from the early August and early October hurricanes in 1867, and http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdeadlyapp1.shtml talks about deaths from Nine. Check http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdeadlyappref.shtml for their sources.

More to follow.

--Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:32, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Short addition....

This http://www.gobierno.pr/NR/rdonlyres/49EA64D0-305B-4881-8B85-04B518004BD5/0/Ciclones_en_PR.pdf is cited as a reference for the article San Narciso Hurricane. It's in Portugese but it's relatively easy to make out the most important parts of what it means. So for example it seems to be saying that the hurricane passed the island of Sombrero (we can find out where that is) between 6am and 2pm on the 29th of October, and at St Thomas a barometer showed atmospheric pressure of 28.5 inches of mercury (we can convert that to millibars or whatever it is we need) and there were winds of 74mph. It also says that at St Thomas it caused 600 deaths from drowning and (I think) sank 80 ships. The next couple of sentences are rather harder to translate without knowing any Portugese, but they briefly describe effects on other places and its time of arrival there, but without numbers. Then it mentions "211 deaths" which I think is a total of deaths on "all the towns" of a different island (we can clarify the exact details of this if we get help from a Portugese speaker). As you probably guessed, 600+211 is where the "811+" number comes from.

--Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:23, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: 28.5 inHg (970 mbar) TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 17:05, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.bviscubadive.com/RMS%20Rhone/the-account-of-lvessey-regarding-the-hurricane.pdf - primary source but very significant - mentions the late July hurricane, as well as giving a whole range of details about the effects of Nine and some weather observations including rainfall on specific dates. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:03, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.bviguides.com/Domains/bviyachtguide/featured_article/editorial/the_rhone.html - not quite the ideal sort of source, but something in it may be useful, plus possibly some of the images might come in useful later if they can be appropriately licensed. http://www.bviscubadive.com/RMS%20Rhone/ - similar.

This http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7328913-disaster-and-disruption-in-1867 would be an ideal source if we could somehow get access to it...

I don't think these are of any use as images, however they are maybe useable as evidence that the relevant storm did have an impact in Texas - http://www.flickr.com/photos/41131493@N06/5218812865 and http://www.flickr.com/photos/41131493@N06/5218818005

This was a surprising search result - http://fosoc.net/pdfs/Bullet%20RHONE%20WYE.pdf - it's actually brief details of a plot (a piece of ground) in a cemetary on the south coast of England - a memorial to those who died on the RMS Rhone and the RMS Wye. The associated website is run by cemetary enthusiasts, who might well be willing to get a photograph (the site is updated regularly).

Note that the RMS Wye and RMS Conway, both lost in Nine, do not appear to have their own Wikipedia articles... and I believe all ships are automatically considered notable.

This is an image of a source. http://cgi.ebay.com/1867-Harbour-St-Thomas-Ship-Wrecks-Hurricane-Old-Print-/310276350942 The illustration is interesting to give you an idea of what it looked like "the morning after"; the name and date of the newspaper issue is also visible so that might be worth following up.

--Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:47, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reference for Two needs some additional info

This reference needs some additional information: "cite web|last=Landsea|first=Chris|title=Year 1867|work=NOAA|accessdate=1 January 2011"

It doesn't appear to be referring to this URL: http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/history/index.html which, confusingly, doesn't appear to mention any storms that correlate (by dates) with any of the storms listed in this 1867 Atlantic hurricane season article.

Really this reference needs a URL so that it can be cited better.

A list of Dr Landsea's publications is here: http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/landsea_bio.html --Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:22, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I guess it's this? http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/Partagas/1865-1870/1867.pdf Perfect, that's an excellent secondary source.
In which case, it's part of this: http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/Partagas/1865-1870/Intro_65-70.pdf and see the top of the second page for the author - not Chris Landsea.
I'll fill in the URL and author details for the reference later today. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA review

This review is transcluded from Talk:1867 Atlantic hurricane season/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: 12george1 (talk · contribs) 06:47, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Hurricanehink (talk · contribs) 20:35, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]


  • I like that the lead starts with mentioning the most important storm. I wish other boring seasons would do that.
  • "Of the ninth cyclones" --> "none"
  • "and zero to four per year between 1886 and 1910 has been estimated" - is this relevant for 1867?
  • I suggest flipping the lead's 2nd and 3rd paragraphs
  • "Some wind and erosion damage occurred in coastal areas of Massachusetts due to the second storm, which also drowned 13 people due to maritime incidents." - I always suggest avoiding "due to" twice in the same sentence. So can you reword?
  • " No further known activity occurred for more than a month,[7] until a bark encountered the second cyclone to the east-northeast of the Leeward Islands on July 28." - a lot of people will stop at the word "bark", since it comes out of nowhere. I suggest either linking it, or just mentioning that it's a boat.
  • "Thus, tropical depressions are not included here." - is this needed if there are no undeveloped TD's this season?
  • HURDAT should be linked on its first usage, not when it's mentioned under H1
  • " Initially below hurricane strength with sustained winds of 60 mph (95 km/h)" - this feels like unneeded detail, since the previous sentence mentioned the sustained winds by the ship, and the next sentence mentions that it became a hurricane.
  • "the system had intensified into a Category 1 hurricane, while moving slowly east-northeastward." - is that movement right?
  • "In Georgia, Savannah" - shouldn't the state/city order be reversed?
  • "Strong winds in Charleston, South Carolina, damaged many wharves, unroofed homes, toppled chimneys, uprooted trees, and felled many large tree branches, leaving some streets and sidewalks impassable. " - I suggest splitting this sentence into two so it's not so listy
  • The beginning of H2 is confusing. The part "intensified to near Category 1 hurricane status" suggests it was below hurricane intensity, but the track map says it was a hurricane the whole time.
  • Also, did H2 really pass west of Sable Island? The track map suggests it went to the east.
  • Waves displaced "millions of loads of sand" - why the quotes? Who said it?
  • "lost in a gale" - same here
  • " Chenoweth proposed that this cyclone instead developed on August 10 near the Florida Keys. " - wouldn't this be a different storm, since the hurricane point is on August 2? Or did Chenoweth think that the storm the ship encountered didn't form until the 10th?
  • "However, the storm never attains hurricane status" - present tense?
  • "Tracking to the north, the storm system gained very little strength while passing several hundred miles southwest of Savannah, Georgia. " - that would be the Gulf of Mexico, if true.
  • this system began as a subtropical storm on September 27. The storm transitioned into a subtropical cyclone - I think you meant "tropical" for the latter one
  • David M. Ludlum noted in 1963 that a storm tide value of 7 ft (2.1 m) there, - it's weird to have the 1963 bit (96 years after the storm) and the source - normally we just cite the source, not mention it in the narrative.
  • "The hurricane struck Texas, near the mouth of the Rio Grande, and devastated Brownsville, Matamoros, and Bagdad. Because of the devastating effects in these three, state authorities sought help from the governors of Nuevo León and Coahuila." - the wording is a bit confusing for the 2nd paragraph of H7. I thought Texas was a state at the time, but it would be helpful adding that Nuevo Leon and Coahuila are Mexican states. Or maybe start with the Mexican section, and leave out Brownsville and Texas at first, since you also mention Veracruz. That way all of the Mexico info is together, then Texas info. It's also not clear if the 26 deaths were in Mexico, or across the region.
  • You should mention where "Sombrero Island" is
  • "shortly before striking Saint Thomas in the United States Virgin Islands." - I hate to be that guy, but what's the policy with talking about country ownership when a storm hits? At the time, this was part of the Danish West Indies.
  • " At Saint Thomas, the hurricane destroyed about 80 ships, including the RMS Rhone. On land and offshore, cyclone caused approximately 600 deaths." - first, you should add "the" before cyclone, but also, are you sure? The source says "the hurricane alone would have claimed at least 500 lives in the British and Danish islands". Where did you get the 600?

The article is in good shape, so hopefully none of my comments are too difficult to address. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:35, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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