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The result was Keep. Catchpole 21:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't meet WP:BIO -Nv8200p talk 22:49, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• I disagree entirely - here is a source showing that he did what he was claimed to do. Then it's a simple matter of choosing which parts of WP:BIO he meets. I'd go for The person made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in their specific field. (he competed in a contest which is viewed throughout Europe and elsewhere in the world, admittedly not with much distinction, but he competed nonetheless) and Persons achieving renown or notoriety for their involvement in newsworthy events Eurovision is patently a newsworthy event (Eurovision Song Contest is either a Featured Article or a perennial candidate, I've lost track), and a debut performance from any country strikes me as something of renown. I'd even argue that he passes at least one point of WP:BAND, since he won the Lithuanian pre-selection (a major competition) to get to Eurovision. Strong Speedy Keep, therefore. BigHaz 23:23, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Further, in Eurovision subculture, an act receiving nul points (zero) is perversely notable, sometimes moreso than the winner of the relevant year. BigHaz 23:25, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I did not understand that coming in dead last was a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in their specific field. But if it is, then that's OK. However, the article also fails to meet WP:V, as there are no reliable sources referenced -Nv8200p talk 02:14, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not in so many words, no. I'd argue, though, that being the first Lithuanian to compete is the contribution ahead of coming dead last. Either that or the more wishy-washy conception that anyone and everyone who competes in the ESC has made a contribution to the record of that field. The fact that an act fails to record a point is also notable, since the overwhelming majority do. Naturally, this makes them last. BigHaz 02:36, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Meant to add this: I'll add the source into his article right away, which as far as I can see should get around the verifiability issue. BigHaz 02:38, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Ha. He is really widely known in Lithuania even disregarding the Eurovision. The problem is I cannot prove it to you. He comes from the pre-Internet generation and only stuff you can find on him on the net is Eurovision and a half sentence mention that he participated in such and such event. Renata 03:51, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong keep either first ever Lithuanian representative in Eurovision or nul points (very, very hard to achieve because of strong support voting of neighbouring countries in ESC) is enough to make him notable Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 04:41, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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