Talk:Scottish people

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"While Highland Scots are of Celtic (Gaelic) descent, Lowland Scots are descended from people of Germanic stock."

There does not seem to be much evidence to support this generalised and arguably outdated claim. It greatly implies Anglo-Saxons replaced rather than assimilated the Brythonic Celts which recent studies have cast doubt on. DNA mapping by Oxford University in 2015 even found the English population had far lower Anglo-Saxon ancestry than previously thought. Furthermore, whilst there will undoubtedly be higher Anglo-Saxon ancestry in the Lowlands, especially in the former territories of Bernicia, there is in fact similar Germanic ancestry in the Highlands, particularly in the Hebrides, Caithness and Northern Isles due to Norse settlement. The idea that Lowland Scots are homogeneously Germanic and Highland Scots homogeneously Celtic just has no basis in fact. VeryReluctantAcademic (talk) 10:49, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

agreed. The shift was more about language and wasn't a replacement of a different group of people. Simply, the lowlanders who were at one time Pictish or Gaelic speaking became speakers of a new language, Scots. 2001:FB1:11A:E21:9509:BCCB:28A6:38E7 (talk) 14:29, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Page image is a Union Jack

I first viewed this page on the mobile app where the main article image is a Union Jack. This does not appear on the web version of the article but it does show up under Tools > Page Information > Page Image. Anybody know how to get this changed? Jp2207 (talk) 19:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The image seems to be chosen automatically: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PageImages#Image_choice "It aims to return the single most appropriate thumbnail associated with an article." It seems to be taking the image from the Culture of the United Kingdom template, for some reason. I removed the template as a test, and subsequently restored it, and there was no page image listed while the template wasn't present. "All images on the page are collected, and a score for each image is calculated. The image with the highest score is selected as the page image." Seems odd that this should be one from a template. Mutt Lunker (talk) 20:06, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. The page English people is very similar in structure, yet the image used is the from the "part of a series on English people" infobox. Is it possible to explicitly set the article main image and so override any 'automatic' behaviour? Jp2207 (talk) 23:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not as far as I can tell. From the "How are images scored?" section of the PageImages link, I think one would have to actively game it to have a favoured image. That the image in the Culture of Scotland template was recently reduced to below 119 would negatively weight it as a choice but having increased it to above again has not made it the page image at this article. Not sure that a flag is necessarily the most suitable choice of image for a people anyway but the Scottish one is probably less unsuitable. Mutt Lunker (talk) 00:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed that it is questionable to use the modern Scottish flag to represent "the Scottish people", but it is worse to use any other flag! Jp2207 (talk) 01:26, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This needs a total overhaul

The article has been hijacked for diasporic trivia coverage and is a now shitshow that provides only skeletal information on the historical development of the nation and the ethno-cultural mixtures that formed it. It needs to be completely rewritten, with 90% more information about the Scots in Scotland and 90% less information about diasporic populations. A good (except for one fault) model to follow is Germans (which is about the Germans as a poeple, not just "citizens of the present country Germany"). The one fault it has is hiding the diaspora almost entirely. At both articles, what is needed for diasporic coverage is a short WP:SUMMARY section that leads to the main articles on those subjects, because they have their own articles already.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  22:54, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agree 100%, we were talking about this at the project not too long ago. Scottish diaspora maybe summarized in two or three paragraphs..... and we need some real cultural information...... As in values, traditions, cuisine and maybe perhaps mention of fashion...... If I'm not mistaken they like plaid gloves or something like that..lol. Moxy🍁 23:58, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Scottish presence in Russia chronology

The article currently implies a Scottish presence in Russia dating to the 14th century. This is not supported by reliable historical sources. The earliest documented Scottish involvement in Russia occurs in the late 16th century, with a sustained and significant presence only from the early 17th century, primarily through military service during the Time of Troubles and afterward. Earlier medieval references do not indicate settlement or continuous presence and should not be presented as such. Suggested sources: – Steve Murdoch, Scotland and the Thirty Years’ War – Paul Dukes, A History of Russia ~2026-19791-6 (talk) 09:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The article simply refers, with source, to "Scottish soldiers in Muscovy referred to as early as the 14th century" which does "not indicate settlement or continuous presence and (is not) presented as such". Mutt Lunker (talk) 17:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]