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The current wording ({{tq|It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies}}) implies that only content removal is required in order to clean up UPE. While removing promotional content is teh main job to be done, it is equally possible that the problem is with negative content being excluded. Should we reword it to account for this? i.e. editors should evaluate available sources to determine whether they are given [[WP:WEIGHT|due weight]]. As an example, take a look at {{la|Beyond Meat}} which has been plagued by paid editors since it was created.[[User:Smartse|SmartSE]] ([[User talk:Smartse|talk]]) 16:48, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
The current wording ({{tq|It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies}}) implies that only content removal is required in order to clean up UPE. While removing promotional content is teh main job to be done, it is equally possible that the problem is with negative content being excluded. Should we reword it to account for this? i.e. editors should evaluate available sources to determine whether they are given [[WP:WEIGHT|due weight]]. As an example, take a look at {{la|Beyond Meat}} which has been plagued by paid editors since it was created.[[User:Smartse|SmartSE]] ([[User talk:Smartse|talk]]) 16:48, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

== Undisclosed paid vs. [[Template:COI]] ==

Seeing this banner being used more frequently in cases that in the past would typically have been {{tlx|COI}}. For example, an employee of a small company edits the article. Or someone who works at a school edits an article about a student at that school. In both cases the account names are the name of the company, or name of the school ie. a disclosed identity.

These are clearly connected contributors a COI. The "$" symbol in the UPE banner gets people's attention - but when misused it dilutes the banners traditional meaning. In the given examples, there is no evidence of anyone being paid for the ''express purpose'' of editing Wikipedia, or even being paid at all. There is no third party involved. There is no hidden account involved. At worse they neglected to add a single sentence to their talk page disclosing their affiliation, despite effectively already doing so with an account name.

This banner should be used more sparingly when there is a clear paid violation and attempt to hide a disclosure. We should not be punishing newbies with this tag when they have already in effect disclosed their identity, and when there is no clear evidence they are being paid for the express purpose of editing Wikipedia, and not merely doing so on their own time but under what they think is an "official" account, which is how newbies think this being a good thing. Use {{tlx||COI}} instead. -- [[User:GreenC|<span style="color: #006A4E;">'''Green'''</span>]][[User talk:GreenC|<span style="color: #093;">'''C'''</span>]] 14:19, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

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Removing Template

Hello,

Would like to know how to remove "paid contributor template" from wikipedia pages. Please guide — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumargau (talk • contribs) 03:28, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Make talk page discussion mandatory when this template is used

The documentation of {{COI}} includes (emphasis in original):

Like the other neutrality-related tags, if you place this tag, you should promptly start a discussion on the article's talk page to explain what is non-neutral about the article. If you do not start this discussion, then any editor is justified in removing the tag without warning. Be careful not to violate the policy against WP:OUTING users who have not publicly self-disclosed their identities on the English Wikipedia.

I propose to add the same to the documentation of this template. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:55, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No objections, so done. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:26, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Cleanup implies only content removal is necessary

The current wording (It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies) implies that only content removal is required in order to clean up UPE. While removing promotional content is teh main job to be done, it is equally possible that the problem is with negative content being excluded. Should we reword it to account for this? i.e. editors should evaluate available sources to determine whether they are given due weight. As an example, take a look at Beyond Meat (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) which has been plagued by paid editors since it was created.SmartSE (talk) 16:48, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Undisclosed paid vs. Template:COI

Seeing this banner being used more frequently in cases that in the past would typically have been {{COI}}. For example, an employee of a small company edits the article. Or someone who works at a school edits an article about a student at that school. In both cases the account names are the name of the company, or name of the school ie. a disclosed identity.

These are clearly connected contributors a COI. The "$" symbol in the UPE banner gets people's attention - but when misused it dilutes the banners traditional meaning. In the given examples, there is no evidence of anyone being paid for the express purpose of editing Wikipedia, or even being paid at all. There is no third party involved. There is no hidden account involved. At worse they neglected to add a single sentence to their talk page disclosing their affiliation, despite effectively already doing so with an account name.

This banner should be used more sparingly when there is a clear paid violation and attempt to hide a disclosure. We should not be punishing newbies with this tag when they have already in effect disclosed their identity, and when there is no clear evidence they are being paid for the express purpose of editing Wikipedia, and not merely doing so on their own time but under what they think is an "official" account, which is how newbies think this being a good thing. Use {{[[Template:|]]|COI}} instead. -- GreenC 14:19, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]