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But the end of this page is always a good place to leave messages to me, especially if you start a new section by

• starting a line with two equal signs,
• typing its title, and
• closing the line with two more equal signs.

The material between here and the ToC consists of

• A warning about a highly idiosyncratic aspect of my grammar, and
• Help finding things that were previously on this talk page, but have been moved.

(These are some people's top priority, but most will prefer to jump to the Table of Contents, or at the end.)

Years ago, i got stuck in my brain the idea that there's something wrong about modern English singling out the first-person singular pronoun to be spelled with a capital letter. So i spell it without the capital -- except at the beginning of a sentence, or when i'm not the sole author. If you follow my example, native speakers will just figure you're ignorant of the basics.

(I also say the above, and a bit more on my User page.)

These all concern one area of interest, sometimes orient toward an article or articles with the same subject matter, sometimes otherwise connected

• List of people by name (14 kB, '03 Dec - '04 Mar)
• Dialogue with Adam Carr (14 KB, 2004 Jul 16)
• Jerzy as Administrator (16 kB, '04 Sep- Oct)
• Turkey (often re Armenians) (19 kB,
• Wikipedia Categories (9 kB, 2004 Nov 4)
• Carleton College (9 kB, 2004 Nov 6)
• TRAC Programming language (6.7 kB, 2004 Nov 8)

These are more chronological than my Topical Archives listed in the immediately previous section.

• /Archive Index

Please present at Talk:Pope Stephen whatever evidence you have for your change there and at List of people by name: Step. Don't repeat it, as it merely sows confusion even if you are correct in thinking a change is needed.
--Jerzy•t 02:33, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All is explained in details on the article Stephen (ephemeral pope). What else must I add to this? Švitrigaila 10:49, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sir,

Thank you for your post in my talk page. I must confess a mistake : after you reorganized the page Talk:Pope Stephen, I have "watched" the differnt subpages you have created, but I forgot to watch the page itself. So, I didn't see you and John Reid have written such long paragraphs and I thought the whole discussion was forgotten. I tried then to relaunch it somewhere else, and it's why I proposed Pope Stephen II for deletion.

Now I must read all what you wrote... I think I have a long night before me...

Švitrigaila 22:05, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jerzy, I have no idea what exactly you tried to explain on my user talk page [1]

Anyhow,

1. if you think you can improve the common names guideline, and you need to talk about it, please use Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (common names). It's not as if such things need to be discussed between you and me as only participants in the discussion.
2. I'm not convinced by your digression regarding the English language. Might be so, might be not, I've got no idea. If I write guideline I usually ask a native English wikipedian to check. I can't remember if I asked expicitly for the passage you find at fault, but be assured that enough native English wikipedians read it before you found it to be faultive.
3. I'm going to revert your changes to the common names guideline. I can't see where exactly you improved it: on the contrary I think your version reads less fluently. If you think I shouldn't do that revert, please use the guideline's talk page as suggested above.

--Francis Schonken 22:41, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Either someone has changed the speedy deletion policy again or the previous shortcut "vanity" for "Unremarkable people or groups. An article about a real person, group of people, band or club that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject" has somehow changed. - Skysmith 14:28, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• "Vanity" is often used in Afd, yes, and sometimes without justification. I mainly mark clear-cut cases of self-promotion (even in third person) as "vanity" - Skysmith 15:02, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Fine with me - Skysmith 15:29, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The delete tags were clearly not invalid and the {{hangon}} text allows for deletion in such cases; criterion R1 (redirect to nonexistent target) applied in this case. (ESkog)^(Talk) 15:50, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Replied further at my talk page. Thanks for your civility - it makes all the difference in the world. (ESkog)^(Talk) 20:25, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jerzy. Thanks for letting me know. I've no objection to the edit, and it's a credit to you that you felt the way you did about it. I actually didn't intend the description to be heavy-hitting (I thought it was just the natural way to describe him) but I can see how that kind of thing taken in general can lead to edit wars and overly-verbose descriptions.

But the "extra-neutral" policy for LoPbN does cause some logistical issues. There's no trouble with calling Kabuga a businessman, and that's even sort of connected with his more unsavoury role. But for some of the genocidaires, there's just nothing especially remarkable about them other than that. Any ideas? I guess "Rwandan man" will do. --Saforrest 05:08, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't see the harm of putting images on the LoPbN pages. Errabee 09:55, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Thanks for your comments on my page about the politician. The reason I made the edit was not to upset you, but simply because I have never heard the phrase "American Puerto Rican", specially among those that were born in the island. If a person is Puerto Rican but born outside, specially when it comes down to the United States, they are nicknamed "Newyorrican".

I didn't try to make a point of view. It's simply that you hardly ever hear native Puerto Ricans, even those who vote for the PNP, describe themselves as "American" and even those born in the States usually identify themselves as Puerto Rican, even if they know they are widely known as "Newyorrican" in the island.

I hope this doesn't hinder our friendship. I didn't try to make a point of view.

Thanks for letting me know on my user page and God bless you! Your friend, Antonio Flying Man Martin

replied on my talk page. —Charles P._(Mirv) 06:16, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the nice message on my talk page. I'm not quite sure how that revert managed to not catch all the vandalism. as you can see here [2], it reverted one of that IP address's edits, but not both of them. my only explanation is that i had just put in a new javascript revert button and it didn't seem to be working properly at the time (i didn't actually write that edit summary, it was automatic). It's working fine now, so I'm not sure what the problem was originally. Anyways, thanks for noticing and fixing the problem. I'll be sure to double check next time i make a revert where there are two edits by the same IP address since the last good version. Cheers, --B.U. Football For Life|Talk 12:52, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jerzy, I noticed that our friend is still around and still hasn't grown up. Should you or others want to, feel free to update User:Isomorphic/Minions of the Church. Isomorphic 04:08, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I almost moved your msgs to your shorter talk page, so we could keep it all together there, but on second thot, let's leave it & keep it all together here; i'll leave you a msg on yr tk to look here.
--Jerzy•t 22:55, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jerzy, thanks for editing & disambiguating Crawford Castle (and all the other related projects you found that I had touched). Please let me know how I attracted your attention so I can get such trusty help again. What was "mock" combat when David Lindsay won "a single (mock) combat with the Englishman Baron Welles"? Also, shouldn't a period be inside an end quote when it occurs at the end of a sentence? It seems to me Americans (who are not trying to put on heirs to be more like their UK brethren) put the period inside the end quote and Brits put it outside. I have several American grammars that insist the period goes within.--Lawnmowerman 07:46, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Thoroughness

  I don't recall making a point of checking everything you did, but i have vague memories of thinking the two dabs you'd mentioned implied other things needing attention. So maybe it amounted to "looking over your shoulder"/"stalking you".
  --Jerzy•t 22:55, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  

• When LMM met Jerzy:

  _ _ Not much to it. (Glancing at yr contribs, i see that it was on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation that i noticed you. I think i caught your requests bcz i was looking at the page for the first time, and at least scanned the ToC to get oriented. I think most editors would avoid a request for Dab'g help there as off-topic (look at WP:VP for better ideas), so i looked at the content. When i did, the dates suggested the wrong end of the page.) We add msgs at the end of page, as you've now picked up, so it's a shame when someone asks a question at the wrong end (and is likely to go unnoticed). I moved yrs to where they'd be seen by more of our colleagues, without deciding whether i was interested enuf to answer.

  _ _ There's a "don't bite the newcomers" ethic here, but not that strong a "train them" one; on the other hand, the lifeblood of WP is collective editing. In this case your (list-server-style) additions at the top marked you as someone who might (however innocently) have left some messes in the course of your article edits. Indeed, they included such a thing: a suite of the longest disambiguating phrases i've ever seen, which very much needed another editor's attention (for the sake of WP, whether or not for yours). (It sounds like you see why they needed it, but if you don't, please do ask me.)
  --Jerzy•t 22:55, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  

• Lindsay/Welles:

  I don't remember the exact phrasing of what i found, but when i tried to reconcile it with what you wrote, it seemed clear to me that the event was not what i'd inferred from your editing, but the one-on-one equivalent of a medieval "tourney" or tournament (medieval). I feel sure that you'll quickly find whatever i did if you search on

  Lindsay Welles English chivalry

  (or if necessary use quotes and ORs to put in fuller names for one or both men).
  --Jerzy•t 22:55, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  

• "to put on heirs " & one way of doing that

  _ _ I actually started my Google test, in order to check my own spelling, before it occurred to me that the logical way "to Wiktionary:put on airs" in genealogy is to put on not heirs, but ancestors who are not your own. Clever of you, but there's of course nothing new under the sun: Genealogy Shoppe for $7.50 each.

  _ _ In any case, i was aware, from a WP discussion, that putting the period outside was a Briticism. Its appeal to me, however, was its being more logical (unless the quote is direct and includes the end of the quoted sentence), and i hope for both increasing familiarity with formal grammars and increased written communication between Brits & Yanks to erode the use of the "always inside" approach. Despite the clear policy that WP is not a specifically American 'pedia, my doing it is still a bit of resistance to WP:MoS. When we get to the point when (to paraphrase the dialog between Dr. Zhivago's commander & his zampolit) the war against lack of content has been won and the one for uniform punctuation can be undertaken, we'll presumably find out if my hope is reasonable.
  --Jerzy•t 22:55, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  

Jerzy, perhaps you can help me understand something about WP. Why are footnotes used infrequently? I used them in my article on Crawford Castle for an obvious reason - I have no personal knowledge of those events and wanted everyone to know where I got the information in case I was in error or to further someone else's research effort. In addition, I much appreciate the work you did, but I do not know where your information comes from. I now know (or think I know) that there was some "mock" battle but don't know where you have that from. I also know something about John de Welles, 5th Baron Welles (1352–1421) but have no idea where you got that either. Bibliographic references should not be good enough for the WK project, we need footnotes. Clearly there are many recurring phrases in WP that are lifted directly from some other published text (and I want to know precidely where). Best regards, --Lawnmowerman 08:05, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Dearth of footnotes

  _ _ Y're probably right, and WP is probably wrong (-- or at least in a stage that will eventually have to pass). In my casual opinion, there's more urgency being given, except in specially intense controversies, to increasing coverage of topics. That doesn't necessarily mean that any individual has decided to put off proving the verifiability of what they are satisfied is verifiable, in favor of more, longer, and more diverse articles (tho i conjecture that many have done so, to varying degrees).

  _ _ I've been known to joke about my assignment editor, and the underlying truth is that WP thrives on editors working on what gives them a kick. Individual editors' commitments to meeting the overall goals that are routinely attributed to the project as a whole may actually be much less significant. That means that we do some prohibiting, and more of discouraging, but in very few cases to we say "Yes, A is good, but if you don't do B to complement it, you're a bad colleague." The strongest exception i can think of is the "code of honor" about bypassing the Dab you create in everything that lks to it. I tried doing that for battery in my first month or so, and have pretty much not bothered since. (Note that this is distinct from something much more important, bypassing the double redirects you create in a move, including a move needed to set up a Dab.) In fact i think discussion of dbl-rdr bots at Wikipedia:Double redirects may explain my failure to find the "code of honor" language; i may still be apologizing for acts that are the subject of an amnesty.
  --Jerzy•t 22:55, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  

• Welles data (an example for my point as well)

  _ _ One reason i didn't bother to record my source was that i didn't have much trouble finding it. If you're good with Google (or as, probably, you become so as you work on WP), here's the only info from me that will help you: i put a high priority on getting a date for Welles, to confirm my suspicion that that paragraph described a later period from that of the capture of the castle: you know what info i was working from (by being more familiar than i with the last revision before i started), so you're closer to finding the same source that i did than i am to re-finding it.

  _ _ I'm not very comfortable with the footnote scheme, and hope that if it becomes more used, there'll be a switch and a preference setting for "hide footnotes", as there already is for the ToC on pages with enuf sections. But in any case, you like them and i can't see anything wrong your adding more, e.g. after using my results to help you find, more quickly, the same support i found, or its equivalent.
  --Jerzy•t 22:55, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  

Being a lawyer, I thought I was good for something (e.g., research, writing) but not I see I am not nearly as good as I thought. I really need your help retracing the steps you went through to find the dates and the "mock" you added to the following sentence in the Crawford Castle article - "In 1398, Robert II gave the castle and the title of Earl of Crawford to David Lindsay, who had won great praise in 1390 for bravery in single (mock) combat with the Englishman Baron Welles." I have now spent almost 2 hours at work (I bill $320 hour) trying to figure out where you got that information on google using pre and post edit information and still have not found it. That doesn't mean you shouldn't make me keep trying but I am intrigued at how and where you found that information. Can you take a few moments to do either or both of the following, the first being the quickest but the latter being the more important: (i) send me the link to where that info comes from, and/or (ii) tell me how you found it. Best regards, --Lawnmowerman 15:51, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

More to come, but in the spirit of chivalric preening, i wanted to show a quick result (despite the dentist's receptionist calling to interrupt) at 16:22, 14 March 2006 (UTC):

Hit #3 of the search i suggested looked promising so i clicked on it. It doesn't seem to be one i saw before; in any case i MS-IE searched within the page, for chival, IIRC, & landed in this 'graph, with more info than i saw before:

It was Sir Alexander Lindsay of Glenesk who, during John of Gaunt’s invasion of Scotland, attacked and put to the sword the crew of one of the English ships which had landed above Queen’s Ferry, and his son, Sir David, was one of the most famous knights of his time. It was he who rode the famous course at the tournament at London Bridge in May, 1390. John, Lord Welles, the English ambassador, we are told, had at a solemn banquet ended a discussion of doughty deeds with the declaration: "Let words have no place; if you know not the chivalry and valiant deeds of Englishmen, appoint me a day and place where you list and you shall have experience." Sir David Lindsay accepted the challenge, and Lord Welles appointed London Bridge as the place of trial. At the first course, though Lord Welles’ spear was broken on his helmet, Lindsay kept his seat, at which the crowd cried out that, contrary to the laws of arms, he was bound to his saddle. Upon this he dismounted, mounted again without help, and in the third course threw his opponent to the ground. Another of Sir David Lindsay’s exploits, which ended less happily was the encounter with the Highland marauders under Duncan Stewart, son of the Wolf of Badenoch, at Gasklune, in which many of the gentry of Angus were slain and Sir David himself was grievously wounded, and narrowly escaped. Sir David, married Elizabeth, daughter of King Robert III., and in 1398 was raised to the peerage as Earl of Crawford.

I'll see if i can come up with a more direct answer to yr question, tho.

--Jerzy•t 16:22, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• _ _ OK, i'm pretty sure that i read hit #2, & maybe #3, from searching with the search spec

"David Lindsay" Baron Welles

_ _ I either reconstructed that search (the likely case), or hit on another with similar results, by getting close enuf & catching a little luck. My method was rereading your revision that i started from, which i picked out from the page history (by clicking on the " 15:04, 8 March 2006" link). I asked myself "What search would i do in this situation?", and knowing myself reasonably well, decided that the exact name of Lindsay should be expected, since his title seems to have come later, but that i couldn't count on "Baron" immediately preceding "Welles", which is why i used no more quotes in the search spec.

_ _ Hit #2 seems to be one of the first i succeeded with, and i may have been smarter the first time in searching at an early point for "1390" since it appeared in the extract. (This time, i don't understand why some of the in-page searches i tried failed, but never mind.) That gave me

DAVID LINDSAY, 9th Feudal Lord of Crawford, b ca 1360, d 1406 (or perhaps 1412), fought famous duel in 1390 with JOHN 5th Baron WELLES on London Bridge, created 1st Earl of CRAWFORD, m ELIZABETH (CATHERINE) STUART, dau of King ROBERT II (see under Scotland, Kings, for ancestors)

-- enuf to satisfy me that i had the right encounter.

_ _ In hit #3, my successful search this time was for "lost" within the page, which got me to

At a banquet in Edinburgh and presumably after too much alcohol he issued as Champion of England the challenge: “Let words have no place; if ye know not the Chivalry and Valiant deeds of Englishmen; appoint me a day and a place where ye list, and ye shall have experience”. This resulted in a memorable jount on London Bridge the following St George’s Day, 23rd April 1390, in which he lost to DAVID LINDSAY, afterwards 1st Earl of Crawford

(I don't recall reading about the alcohol, perhaps just bcz of skimming. On the other hand, i know my research in preparation for editing produced something with "third course" in it, that i haven't since found again, so i'm not sure i read this one then.)

_ _ (The word "mock" was my own paraphrase, and hope i didn't lead you to assume otherwise.)

_ _ I gave you bad advice bcz i remembered "the Chivalry and Valiant deeds of Englishmen" as "English Chivalry and [something]". Sorry about that. (Hmm, or what i recalled was not directly from there: i thot i recalled "chivalry" being much more explicitly stated as the purpose, and not just of the word being at the inception of it, but that comes to just speculation, as i'm not turning up any hits that support it, after significant effort.)

_ _ So: i haven't studied your wording carefully enough to know whether your skills fell short, or i doomed your efforts by trusting my memory about the exact word "English". My apology in any case, and i hope your $640 of effort produced some valuable experience. (The possibility receiving bills in the event of my behaving tortiously was not one of my reasons for being pseudonymous on WP, but.... [wink])

_ _ I'm gladder for that exercise than i expected; i think i implied "the same sources can always be easily found again", but the gaps in my second try suggest i've been overconfident.
--Jerzy•t 18:44, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Now, having knowledge, it is impossible to go backward, but I don't recall coming up with your hits 2 and 3 at all in my searches. Which made me think google doesn't produce the same results in every country, but I tried it here in the US and it does. Perhaps I was too specific in my searches. I don't know where you're from but I suspect the UK because of your ". usage and because you have the kind of mind that wrote the OED. In any case, I don't know how you would have known to search for "chival" or "English" or where you came up with "the Chivalry and Valiant deeds of Englishmen." I also don't know if I would have been as tenacious. Thanks for the education. Have you read The Professor and the Madman? Come to think of it, the OED was perhaps the first publication assembled from free contributions, much like WP, except without the help of computers, just scraps of paper sent in from all over England. The analogy stops there as the free will contributions were then sold to the public in the form of the OED.--Lawnmowerman 20:13, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This may also support the point that footnotes are needed in WP (as you allude to above). If we want to make all human knowledge accessible, we need footnotes. Knowledge is not knowledge unless it can be verified and sources weighed for persuasiveness. WP should not be a place to regurgitate and cut and pase all hearsay on the web. The article for Crawford Castle already included a cite to Blaeu Atlas of Scotland, 1654 which I am confident only recently became available on the web in digital form. Now, I can make reference to "ANCIENT ANCESTORS with MODERN DESCENDANTS (7th Edition)" at www.pcug.org.au/~ronwells/index.htm but would still like to know where he got his information - he doesn't even have a footnote! :-) I am now quite aware that my searches must be done very carefully to avoid queering results. Curious - How long did it take you to find the information on the duel and edit Crawford Castle?

• OED:

No, not read, but heard of the bk several times, so i appreciate the reference. Not Brit, but Yank, and i question your cultural determinism. In fact it makes you sound Latin American to me. Whoops!

Chival:

_ _ Sorry to be obscure. You asked where i found it was a tournament or mini-tournament, and i couldn't remember. But i did (mis-?)remember a phrase like "for the sake of English chivalry and honor", and felt sure you'd find the same source by including the two words "English" and "chivalry" along with appropriate names in yr Google search.

_ _ (Note that didn't say search, or shouldn't have, for "chival" in Google, bcz Google seldom finds whole words when a portion of the word is used as a key. I am unsurprised when it's asked for "artistry" and finds "artistic" (neither word part of the other, but two standard words known to have closely related meanings): Google apprently tries to exploit such relationships of meaning. I have never seen Google find a real word when i specified a non-word as a key -- except in cases where it detects a spelling error, and in that case, it asks whether meant "trivial" when i typed "trival", before serving up the hits on it.

_ _ (On the other hand, once i was viewing a very long page, i didn't want to scan it by eye and MS IE is not smart enuf to equate chivalic, chivalry, and chivalrous, but it will find any of the three for the key "chival".)

_ _ "The Chivalry and Valiant deeds of Englishmen" was a surprise to me, since i was so confident of a different thrust to the passage with "chivalry" in it. I think i retain a relatively large amount of detail, but not as much as i tend to imagine that i do.

Time spent searching: To answer that beyond "more than i expected", i'd have to look back at my "user contributions" log, which other users can also do re me. I'm not sure it will have useful info, but it could be a valuable exercise to see what you could deduce about that search.
--Jerzy•t 08:08, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you replace the contents with List of people by name: Gar with those of List of people by name: Gam-Gaq? What does your cryptic acronymic edit summary mean? JIP | Talk 08:47, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jerzy, I need some help. First, where do I go to request help with a disambiguation? Here's where I'm at. I wanted to create a page for CANMORE - its a database maintained by The Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland but there was a page redirecting me to Canmore, Alberta - a city. I deleted the info on the redirect page but can't seem to get rid of the page itself. Can't create the CANMORE database page til I hear from you. Thanks --Lawnmowerman 20:04, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• _ _ I'm inferring that your worry was that since typing "CANMORE" or "canmore" takes you to Canmore, the existence of that page was a problem. The deletion of Rdrs is rare, largely on the premise that "if someone thought it was useful",

• it's likely to be bcz they tried getting to something by typing it in, and it would have been useful to them, and
• even if they had some other reason for expecting it to be useful to someone, they're probably right even if others have trouble seeing that usefulness.

Also because Rdrs both get copied by other sites and become hits on search engines; both will lead people to try to use them on WP (in their old context), so they shouldn't disappear.

_ _ I put a Dab "on top" of the old Rdr; the dab does the Rdr's job (except for the automatic transfer part), but gives the choice of your sense as well. You could have done the same, but it sounds like you wanted a different title, perhaps CANMORE, for the dab.

_ _ CANMORE can be a rdr to the Dab, or a rdr to the article you want to write, or can be the article itself. If it's a rdr to the Dab, i doubt it accomplishes anything; if it's a Rdr to the article, it may have a bad effect and have to go thru the Dab; if it's the article, it may need a top-of-page Dab line to the town (but not to the Dab unless the Dab gets more than these two entries). (However, me fine Scotiophile, be aware that the capital D inside MacDonald means that Macdonald is needed as a redirect to MacDonald even tho the obvious rdr at kevin stewart would serve no purpose.)

_ _ I put a rd lk into the rdr i made. (I hope that's not the title of the article; forget legal names: WP:MOS calls for common names, and a bad guess at the common name is far better than a name that long.)

_ _ I may be missing the point of your question; if so write again.
--Jerzy•t 23:39, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A Dab is not a form of redirect, as you seem to assume in yr edit summarized as "Redirect bypass from William Burges to William Burges (architect) using popups". If yr popups enforced that summary, please don't use that tool in that way, and tell me where you got it so i know which toolmaker to complain to. Plz don't confuse your colleagues with false terminology.
--Jerzy•t 06:34, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I moved William Burges to William Burges (architect) in order to make room for a disambiguation page. The act of moving created a redirect from William Burges to William Burges (architect). Before I overwrote the redirect with a disambiguation page, I used popups to bypass the redirect. It was convenient to use the tool in that way, and the summary was perfectly reasonable. Snottygobble 11:11, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jezy. I also left this question on Wikipedia:WikiProject Categories. I have an idea and was hoping someone could give me some guidance on whther its a good one, whether its permitted in WP, and if so, tips on how to do it. I have recently begun helping my children write some articles and stubs on WP. I would like to create a notation for articles that denote them (or flags them, if you prefer) as having been written by a "young author." I see WP as a fantastic way to educate my children in significant ways and hope perhaps the movement will catch on. In connection with the effort, I would like to have a special page for the "young authors project" etc. I would define young authors in some very generic way so as to protect identities. What do you think? Do you have any tips on how to do this or an "administrator" that would be particularly knowledgeable about how to do this? Thanks in advance for your help. --Lawnmowerman 14:45, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Let's put your response here as well as on my talk page:

_ _ Not remotely feasible -- in contrast with your concern abt documentation, which merely has no clear path to reality, even tho you may help it take place as the nature of WP evolves.
_ _ I recommend you concentrate more on studying WP documentation & looking at how experienced editors handle the situations you encounter in yr own editing. (In particular cases, recognize them by looking at least at their earliest contribution (for the date), and perhaps learn to use the edit-count tool tho you should take the cautions & reservations seriously; there are also 2K+ of experienced eds listed at WP:1000.)
_ _ In the long run you may find a role in improving verifiability standards, but Young Authors is the smoking gun re what was already my opinion. (That doesn't make me prescient; it's virtually inevitable for someone with so little experience in this unique environment.) Namely, you have far too little insight into the WP process to soon have any role in the kind of ambitions that you're feeling about the future of the project. And at this point neither you nor i has the remotest idea of what your long-term prospects for that are. But i hope you'll stick around and find out.
--Jerzy•t 15:22, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your unfortunate response to my question is truly disappointing. Please consider Cactus.man's response as more appropriate and helpful. You should also consider a role in life that limits your contact with people. Your arrogance is a black mark on the WP community. Though I have appreciated your edits and help in the past, you are clearly an editor that should be marginalized. You are the type I hoped not to find in WP, but unfortunately those who exaggerate their own worth are everywhere, even in the best of communities. Your value may lie in trying not to author articles, but sticking to the most banal aspects of the project. My opinion of you should of course have no bearing on your continued efforts, as yours of mine will not. I hope you will keep trying to make a meaningful contribution to life. Your editing skills are outstanding but you are deficient in the kind of character that will make you a success in life and give you a meaningful legacy. Best regards, --Lawnmowerman 16:20, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, sorry for late responding. If your kind offer to block any potential use of the Buldozer username, I would appreciate this. Re: John Fisher descripions, if that has nort been corrected yet, I'll do it right away. Many tahnks for your valuable advice, offer and comment. Buldożer 10:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Those edits were certainly not mine. Well, OK, let's leave that as it is. Many thanks for your interest and help, but it looks that we just can't do anything with it. Cheers, Buldożer 21:38, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for moving Islamofascism (term) to Islamofascism. You've made my day. -Silence 03:53, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Er, should this article really be called Peter Abélard? Pierre Abélard, fine. Peter Abelard, also OK (I'm sure the MoS tells us which). But Germanic first name, French second? Uh-uh. Do you mind if I fix this? Cheers, JackyR 21:52, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

_ _ As a matter of mechanics, it looks like anyone can make a move back to Pierre Abélard, but it may take an admin to get it to Peter Abelard.

_ _ I don't find your reasoning conclusive: i think there is a greater tendency to anglicize given names than surnames, and w/in WP, i think the Zürich debate shows we don't think a dicritical mark makes a name anywhere near as foreign as a foreign-language spelling does. But i'm not settling on any strong opinion.

_ _ Bear in mind also that like Confucius and [[Copernicus], his English-language familiarity is probably mediated via Latin -- not sure which of the three sides of the argument that leans toward.

_ _ You might want to consult with User:Ceyockey, whose LoPbN edit led to mine there, and thence to the move you are concerned about; my guess, based on their edit, is that they'll probably agree with you. Also, consider some Google tests restricted to English-language sites, so at least you'll be in a position to anticipate criticism from others who may feel more strongly about it than i.
--Jerzy•t 04:28, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Replied there. Cheers, JackyR 18:36, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And there. Cheers, JackyR 23:45, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've been looking over the "short pages" list, and I see that User:EGGS has tried to nominate some pages for deletion. They seem to have no content, so why do they need to still exist? Thanks, Ardric47 06:33, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! Whatever happened to assuming good faith!? Regardless of your personal suspicions, bandying phrases like "disingenuous", "troll" and "nationalist PoV vandal" around are very unlikely to achieve anything, and I resent your using them.

Getting back to the main point, though: insisting on keeping the listing at "Owen Glendower" instead of "Owain Glyndŵr" is untenable, I think, since the article is at Owain Glyndŵr, and which is also the name used almost universally these days (much has changed since Shakespeare's time). Having a duplicate listing might be tolerable, but if everyone were listed at every possible spelling of their name, the list could get very cluttered indeed (e.g. Shakespeare, Shakspear, Shaxpir, etc.). I assumed there was one listing per person, and moved "Glendower" to "Glyndŵr". I thought you must have overlooked the second copy when you reinstated the "Glendower" listing. There must be, at least, a listing at "Glyndŵr"; any further spellings are optional. That said, the current situation is fine by me. --Stemonitis 06:24, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, shit happens. I did look into some recent history, but recent users like AndriuZ (talk · contribs) were not at all vandals. Fortunately there are many of us here. `'mikka (t) 20:30, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, don't you find that having this huge name list in two places leads to troubles? I suggest to leave it only in the "List of..." article. `'mikka (t) 20:42, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For fixing that dab page Just Like That! JackyR 21:54, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'd slowly worked out that the "Carr" page must have been the trigger. Deleting the history is not offered to non-Admins, so it's great to know this is one of your missions: I may call on you in future! Thanks again, JackyR 14:43, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I noticed that you moved the disambiguation page to Nin proper, but what happened to the article on the Croatian town? It isn't linked and I can't seem to find it. --AHrvojic 03:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! For the search tips as well :) --AHrvojic 12:00, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, you may like to check Wikipedia:Vandalism#Types_of_vandalism. Spam is vandalism. Henry^Flower 11:51, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if you want to wade through a hundred spam edits and weed out the spam part, more power to you. I'm not that fluffy. Henry^Flower 12:22, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for speaking somewhat loosely. My concern however, is not with the effectiveness per se of talk page spam, as with its temptingness. Since it works (or rather, since they think it works) it will happen if we allow it, so we shouldn't allow it. If you're volunteering to lovingly edit any future talk page spam, then I'll happily point you towards it rather than dealing with it myself. Henry^Flower 10:09, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Simple_talk/Archive_2#bottom_line - I have written an answer. Yes, a little bit late, but if you're interested. -- Amtiss, SNAFU ? 16:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hiya. Doing "speeling petrol" on 'descendents' and variants (like 'decedents' !) I came across some templates you were (are?) experimenting with (I think you noted a problem with too many names on your user page). Anyway, if you get back to it, the word is 'descendants'. One example I found was Template:List of people Cons descendents.

And if you might get irritated at the nit-picking, take a look at the link from my user page to Simple. I'm amazed anyone can learn English. Its tu mush, y'no? Shenme 01:15, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Permanently? You're better than me then. I edit with www.dictionary.com open at all times! ;-) (I know when to stop correcting misspellings for the night, when even www.dictionary.com isn't enough reassurance as to what is 'correct'. So many possibilities ...) Shenme 01:36, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for the red link deletions on the LoPbN. I was merely following the general "rule" of most Wiki compendiums of people. I understand your point. However, with "red" links there is also the issue of people vandalizing the page and adding people who are not the least bit notable - as a few of the names I deleted were (i.e. "Joe So and So (born 1987), student and musician"). It becomes rather difficult on such large lists if there is not a biography to sort out who is indeed noteworthy and who is not if there is no reference.

Also, these lists tend to become extremely cumbersome, with people adding nearly everyone who ever existed who may have marginal ties to the Wiki subject. But, I do understand your point and will only delete names in that section that I am sure are non-notables or vandals. Sorry, once again. I also did add a number of names of individuals with Wiki bios to the list. Cheers. ExRat 07:16, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jerzy, I'm about to do that stub about the astronomer John Carroll. All the refs I can find for him call him "John Carroll", rather than "John A Carroll": do you remember where you got the format of his name? (I suspect it's just a US back-formation from his full name, in which case I'll entitle the article by the form he would have used himself, ie no "A".

Btw, I'm hoping to make a page move: Margaret Rumer Godden to Rumer Godden, which is the name she published under (and was generally known by, as far as I can tell). The latter is currently a redirect to the former: what should I do? Many thanks, oh sage one... JackyR 22:55, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

_ _ Hopefully you're already aware that WP autobiographical articles are held to especially high standards. I confined myself to very routine chgs to yours, but there may be some of that "merciless editing" coming up, from others who undertake judging notability and relevance more fluently than i -- perhaps even from comedy fans. But i suppose you're used to hecklers. [grin] _ _ Let me add to your welcome, to what i hope will be a broader role as a colleague here. --Jerzy•t 14:56, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your welcome. I'm addicted. At least with WP I can add myself to the heckler chorus!!! :P

"Basil White sucks" should be cleaned up to conform to a higher standard of suck. basilwhite 15:05, 03 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like we landed in the same place, which I think is good -- I have learned to be meticulous about checking referring pages when creating new pages (especially for names). A question, however -- since you deleted the original article John Herbert, why did you re-create it instead of just restoring it? Restoring seems a nice solution that doesn't destroy edit history. Thanks, Cleduc 00:55, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. You'll note the only edit I've made to the article was to remove the link to Brandon Crisp. It seemed like a clear vanity edit by an anonymous IP. The edit summary was mainly to avoid a lengthy explanation of notability to the IP involved. I am not about to undertake a campaign to remove redlinks :-) Gwernol 05:00, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're right of course, my edit summary should have been more explicit. I'll keep that in mind for the future. Thanks for the advice, Gwernol 15:55, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The template syntax of separating words of a user's name as different parameters has been obsoleted by a new function called {{urlencode:}}.

Example: {{urlencode:Slobodan Milošević}}

Produces: Slobodan+Milo%C5%A1evi%C4%87

In addition to converting exotic letters, it also changes spaces into "+", which is interpreted the same as an underscore (a literal plus sign becomes "%2B"). — May. 26, '06 [10:04] <freak|>

Wow, I'd never seen that page before (WP:TPFR), but it looks like a bot task more than anything. It would be relatively easy to create a bot to propose possible ([[Redirect]] → [&91;Target]]) pairs on some sandbox page, so that a human could go through and create the ones that actually make sense, if I interpret the purpose of that page correctly. I'll take a closer look at it tomorrow. I'm going to sleep now. — May. 26, '06 [10:23] <freak|>

Hi Jerzy, this is regarding your recent renaming. I decided to set up a vote to move it back, and I don't want to do it behind your back. Please reconsider. Cheers. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 00:38, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've done all the T pages with mergenames. And didn't make many changes for the last dozen or so - it even handles the non-heading separators I dislike. Now I'm going to meditate on the result for a while (and do some editorial cleanup / manual editing) before figuring out what to do next. --Alvestrand 15:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I already thot this was great, before i realized how far you'd gone. I'll be continuing to try to catch up with the subdividing of pages and sections as demanded by the wealth of remedies to prior neglect that you've provided. As to what i call the non-section headings, i've been meditating, & experimenting with larger groups at the deepest level, which may or may not strike you as addressing the aspects of your objections that i hadn't tried to address before. Thanks!
--Jerzy•t 23:35, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I thought I had read all the relevant sections for testing the validity of creating a page, and I would like to dispute your contention that J Brill is a worthy deletion candidate. What I am continuing to build sources of material on John Brill and his Bardia Mural. With the publication of the letter from his mother and his being referred to in the Daily Mirror, I believed I had proven "broad interest" and showing the other websites that show tours to his Mural as well as interest in him and his mural I thought the case was proven. Can you help me understand what I missed. My fear is that this is the thin end of the wedge the next step will be to have the Bardia Mural Page proposed for deletion.

Libya is only just reopened as tourist destination so in terms of "previous potential" interest in John and his Murak, there cannot have been any.

I am not a relative of Mr Brill and have no intent to try and promote him. My goal is a simple one to help enable Wikipedia to be the most usefull complete Web Source of Knowledge.

What are the reasons for your proposed deletion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 40.0.96.1 (talk) 16:17, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Response in progress, plz watch this space in a few minutes.
--Jerzy•t 17:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

_ _ Hi. I confess to not having read more than the bio; i'm not sure whether that was neglect on my part or if you failed to lk to it.

_ _ Please register as a WP user and use your ID whenever you edit, and even until you do, please sign with --~~~~. Have you gone thru the tutorial?

_ _ If you don't know how remove the ProD markup, leave me a lk to the article, in this section, and i will do so while we talk abt it, in order to take off the time pressure. You may be right; i have been wrong before. More than once, actually. [wink]

_ _ Re "[your] fear is that...", yes, i'll be surprised if the two articles don't survive or fall together (possibly surviving together by being merged).
--Jerzy•t 17:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, what's up? I thought I was being a good little Wikipedian by reading and heeding the recommendations spelled out in Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Dates of birth and death and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dashes), and duly converted many of my previous edits painstakingly to include the en dash. Then you come along and get rid of the "edit-impeding n-dashes" on List of people by name: Hua-Huf. Is this a new movement among some editors, or is it just a personal preference? -- Muffuletta 07:03, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As a past participant in the discussion on how to handle the Georgia pages, I thought you might be interested to know that there's a new attempt to reach consensus on the matter being addressed at Talk:Georgia (country)#Requested_Move_-_July_2006. Please come by and share your thoughts to help form a consensus. --Vengeful Cynic 04:03, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

no, they are the the same. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=candelabra%20. doens't make a difference to me.
Jon513 16:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

sorry, my mistake, you are right.
Jon513 16:35, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll admit that the error is common enuf to be considered an alternative singular form. Even in that light, i think the second set of scenarios is preferable:

1. Candelabra

   Semi-informed user: "Ignorant fucks!"

   Uninformed user (and thoroughly informed user, having thot thru fact that usage rather than origin defines language): no reaction

2. Candelabrum

   Semi-informed user: no reaction

   Uninformed user (and thoroughly informed user, having thot thru fact that usage rather than origin defines language): "Pretentious fucks!"

... because IMO we do enuf to counter the stereotype that we are pretentious (and in any case you have to do a bit preten-ding to be infallible anyway, in striving for accuracy), but we can never do enough to overcome the stereotype that that we are ignorant.
--Jerzy•t 16:56, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the informative comments to my talk page, as well as your contributions to the talmud/tractate issue.
I think that LoPbN is an important project, and so I've been contributing to it in spurts. In terms of formatting, I've tried to follow your lead, since you obviously have some seniority in the project. I did take a look at the various talk pages for LoPbN, but they are so very long that I guess I didn't have the patience to sift through them all. I appreciate your clarifications on my talk page, which I'll try to keep in mind in future edits. --Eliyak T·C 06:03, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've created a template for LoPbN name entries. My main motivation for it was the annoyance involved in copying large numbers of names twice so that they show up correctly (last name first). I thought I'd get your approval before actually using it in the list --Eliyak T·C 22:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently I made a mistake again. Sorry! --Sangak12:37, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you find support in the Dab documentation for a ToP Dab on Dee L. Brown, pls let me know. (For the sake of fixing my understand, or fixing the documentation.) My argument is that people who want Dee L. Brown will go to Dee Brown but not (to any extent worth the clutter) the reverse. Thus Dee Brown must be a Dab or have a ToP Dab, but Dee L. Brown may have one only it if is to help reach other people named "Dee L. Brown" (including e.g. Dee Lamont Brown).
--Jerzy•t 20:17, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If there is more than one person whose name could be entered as "Dee L. Brown", then a top dab is a good idea in my view. This does appear to be the case, Dee Brown (football) has a middle inital of L. for example, and, even ignoring that one, by having the dab in, if another Dee Brown is added with a middle inital L, the article does not need to be changed. Also, if someone hits the article via random article and recognises the name, but not the person, it's useful to have the dab to go to the main name page. All in all, there are more reasons to have the top dab link, then not to have it, so I'd suggest putting it back in. Regards, MartinRe 22:42, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

_ _ Thank you for the additional information, which indeed calls for a ToP Dab, but a more specific one than the one i removed. Dabs are too distracting to be used in the way your second argument implies.

_ _ If you care to read up on the Dab-related portions of the WP:MOS, WP:MOSDAB and Wikipedia:Disambiguation are the bulk, and perhaps all of it. I have the strong impression that the mutually-linked example that starts Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Top links is logically inconsistent with the predominant (main page dab) practice, and is seldom complied with. I'll be collecting examples of compliance with it as i run across them, and if you or i come up with enuf of them, i'll start a discussion to change the guideline. Thanks again,
--Jerzy•t 23:09, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am familiar with all the MoS articles, but none of them say much about top links on actual articles (mostly concentrating on the format of Dab pages themselves). However, as a guideline, dab headers are there to reduce confusion if someone reaches that page when expecting to get something else. In many cases, where the article title includes a disambig, it's unnecessary (e.g. Dee Brown (novelist)) but where the name is not disambiged with a "+ (topic)" I suggest a link to the main page so I still think the top dab dab should be to "dee brown", and not just the one "dee L brown" we know about - for all we know Dee Brown (novelist) or Dee Brown (Illini) could also have a middle inital of L. Or in two weeks time, someone else could add another Dee (L) brown, and we should not expect them to have to edit every other dee brown to do so, just the dab page. Regards, MartinRe 23:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is some discussion currently taking place about lists of people by surname on the surname pages at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)#Hndis needs its own Manual, if you are interested.
-- JHunterJ 12:45, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

_ _ Thanks for the heads up. I fully expect to be interested.

_ _ BTW, i endorse the work you describe in 2nd 'graph on yr user page. Drafted before my AfD cmts and thus Charles's cmt, but saved only now; out of sequencing protocol for clarity.
--Jerzy•t 17:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Having said that, i'm mystified as to how that 'graph's sentiment led you to the AfD that i've since read and commented on. What could LoPbN have to do with why "{{Hndis}} for human names" "reads the way it does"? Or what other part of WP:MOSDAB did you have in mind and why?
--Jerzy•t 20:14, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(Thanks for the ping -- I had indeed missed this second response.) A few separate issues. I was going through the given names category, and I followed Alan to the Allen surname page. Removing the entries there that did not follow WP:MOSDAB (that weren't for people who were known by just Allen) would have emptied the page except for the statement like "Allen is a surname," and rather than turn it into a Wiktionary entry, it seemed like it should just be deleted. Little did I know.... LOPBN doesn't have to do with the template; my comment on the {{Hndis}} template was made because it says that the pages might otherwise share the same title, which is clearly not the case: Whoopi Goldberg would never have had Johnson as an article title; an extreme example, but it holds for anyone not known by one name. -- JHunterJ 12:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

_ _ First, tnx for yr good catch w/ "(and move one of your signatures up?)". I won't bore you with the dumb explanation.

_ _ Now i finally take your point, and yr analysis of the applicability of that MoS to removing the names is sound. IMO, tho, the problem lies in our unfortunate failure to get the MoS in step with well-established and effective practice, rather than in failure to comply: attention during drafting was mostly on more contentious issues, and that aspect got neglected & its undesirable wording went uncontested. While my priorities probably preclude my diving into negotiating that aspect of the MoS, my view is that use of the See-also section permits Dabs to do useful things by way of navigation, that are not properly part of Dab'n, and do so without impairing the Dab'n, bcz they are down there at the bottom. (It's important to add that this is in contrast to info on the subject, especially above the entries, or as part of the entries, that is not typically useful in Dab'g: it is bad bcz it interferes with navigation. Thus i'd like to see

1. the description of "See also" widened,
2. the Dab notice put just above the "See also" heading, and in fact, i think,
3. {{Disambig}} renamed to {{Dab-noSa}} with the new {{Disambig}} having the heading markup & a sentence, built in after the current message, something like

   While the following topics could not bear the title that this page disambiguates, they may nevertheless include the article(s) most sought by some readers who reach this page.

If you think doing so will help, please feel free to copy this 'graph into the discussion, and mention me as source; just include this disclaimer & bear in mind that i will not feel the same obligation to defend it or expound further that i might, if i had been the one to post it elsewhere.
--Jerzy•t 16:23, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another solution (and one I like, naturally) would be to use a new, different template for surname disambiguation. {{Hndis}} puts the article into Category: Lists of ambiguous human names, but these articles should be in Category: Surnames instead. So maybe {{Surnamedis}}?
--JHunterJ 18:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? is there more than one person named Sur-nam-edis? [wink] But seriously, as a name change it sounds like another rarified quibble; you may want to focus, in presenting this to those who unlike me are engaged with the issue in an ongoing way, on what difference you think that name will make in the benefits that users get.
--Jerzy•t 22:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rarified quibble? I thought would just serve the same purpose as making a new dab-nosa -- the descriptions for the two types would match the articles they're applied to. -- JHunterJ 00:51, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In the light of your comments at the AfD (helpful, thx) you might possibly be interested that software support for surnames is part of my 'platform' for the Board elections (meta:User:Charles Matthews/WMF Board Election 2006, Anthere's final question 'Vision', #3 out of 5 things I'd want to undertake).
-- Charles Matthews 16:26, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've said still more (but possibly less helpful, i guess) on the AfD page since, most of it writ before your note. We've got plenty to talk abt, mostly starting in 3 days. I'm delaying further comment to collect hard copy of the relevant materials to read, as it were, by candlelight, in the interim. Fascinating; thanks; if i end up moved to endorse you, would you like me to coordinate with you in maximizing the benefit to your campaign?
--Jerzy•t 17:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Omigod - someone who appears to want me elected, maybe. Not sure this was part of the plan. Tell you what - it would do no harm at all to get this type of concrete issue discussed, rather than airy generalities. Charles Matthews 21:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Let's just say that you're the first one who's brought my interest to the race this time. I 'm back early due to lousy weather, & will have a couple of substantial responses of my own to the Allen discussion that happen to bear on new support for efficiency re person-entries.
--Jerzy•t 19:51, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing out my mistake. I was removing those ToCs directives so that one does not need to scroll down for every other page esp. when there are only a couple of entries. I understand the presence of empty pages, but felt that the ToC dirctive is unnecessary (because I think that wikipedia adds a ToC automatically when the number of sections increases beyond certain number). Anyhow it doesn't make a significant difference and I will try to aviod that next time. YashKochar 05:41, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Did you by chance mean that WP:V is not part of WP:PROD instead of WP:CSD? I didn't mention verifiability in the speedy delete nom; I just used {{db-group}}. I realize now that I shouldn't have put it in the {{prod}} tag, but I was ennumerating some of the many issues with the article (and was admittedly frustrated that the speedy tag was removed). I'll be more careful in the future. Thanks! -- Merope 02:09, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well I looked it over and spent some time trying to find proof of his notabilty and couldn't but with two others thinking he might I decided to prod it. If I'd seen it before the speedy was on I would have probably deleted and then waited for someone to yell at me (again). Sorry I couldn't give you better news. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 05:11, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I usually have no problem in deleting stuff and it made me feel bad to have to keep that for a few days. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 05:35, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For this. Best. notafish }<';> 11:12, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the reference to "The Naylor Sonnets"" in the article on James Naylor. However the article on Kenneth Boulding doesn't mention his poetic and creative side, or his remarkable wife. Hope someone can do something about that!Vernon White 22:27, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Jerzy, I must thank you. My edits concerning the three painters was - simply put - wrong. I'm pleased that this error was caught. I've reverted. Again, my thanks. Victoriagirl 16:12, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This was the version I worked on September 21, 2006. No vandalism, no weasel words, sourcing, and no copyright violations. This edit war with Lmz00 has gotten to a point where I refuse to answer to the user. The user cannont resolve this dispute without using inactive comments toward myself and others. It's just simplified just to compromise a fair look at the article without using too many links and notable likeness. And for the user to use 50 instead of 50 Cent, that just another way of saying a number said this instead of a rapper. Just look at the current version. The last time I edit this article was about at least a week ago. I asked for a protection to inactive users who choose not to compromise, and refuse to work as a community. I hope this version (I left above in the link) is used on this article.

This is the current version that User Lmz00 left after I ceased the edit war. And yes, this is what is on the article (and you can decide)!

Multiple use of name of Sean Combs. Here the list of words, Diddy, Puffy, P. Diddy, Combs, Sean "Puffy Combs is located throughout the whole article. All I suggested was to used was mogul or rapper, to cease the constant use of the person's name. (Inproper use of proper names)!

Mase still claimed the status of a pastor. The album contained no curse words and was not derogatory in any way towards females. (Weasel words)!

'50 was in talks with Diddy to buy Mase from Bad Boy in order to sign him to G-Unit. However, those talks fell through, prompting 50 to make a diss record towards Diddy titled "The Bomb" (which accuses him of stalling said negotiations). In addition, 50 also mentions no longer wanting to make a deal. (Inproper wording of proper names, weasel words, and not neutral in explaining feud with rappers)!

Mase's desire to leave Bad Boy is primarily due to his third album not selling so well. (This is an example of weasel words)!

This has been discredited however, by the wider hip-hop community. Mase has also been called a hypocrite by former G-Unit member, The Game, who called out the pastor (as well as other G-Unit members) on his anti-G-Unit DVD, Stop Snitchin', Stop Lyin'. (Another example of weasel words)!

Ok that it. Thanks. LILVOKA 15:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, pardon for typing in this editbox. Do not know how to add the comments proper way. Have a suggestion to make about the diode bridge rectifier. Having arrows on each alternation (where current leaves and enters in diagram)for students getting it first time helpful. Otherwise nice article and can be expanded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.247.91.201 (talk) 10:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

_ _ Your edit on this page was fine (tho improvable!); more about editing below.

_ _ I haven't worried abt that article that article that article for years. Let's discuss it.

_ _ You can add to this section easily by clicking , which is the same (probably until i next reorganize the page) as clicking on the "[edit]" section-editing lk to the right of "Rectifier", roughly as you did when you left your message for me.

_ _ When you reply, and in general, don't use consecutive equal signs for anything except creating headings (as i did with

== Rectifier ==

above). If you want to draw a horizontal line, position 4 (or more) hyphens at the left margin. You'll find it useful to use colons, asterisks, and pound-signs (":", "*", and "#"), in various quantities and mixtures, always starting at the left margin and without spaces or other chars interrupting them, to create, bullet, indent, and number paragraphs. (I supplement them with underline chars, since otherwise there's no first-line-of-paragraph indentation, but that makes me odd.) And (even before you register) always sign your talk-page contribs with

--~~~~

-- or with what i prefer,

<br>--~~~~<br>

_ _Thanks, & hope to hear from you.
--Jerzy•t 14:59, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, here's a handy tool: the before & after of the things that changed when i did that edit; you could find it by consulting the "page history", via the page's "history" tab (or other lk).
--Jerzy•t 15:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dude, I am looking over your extensive edit history, and I want to share some guidance that no one else may have the guts or, more likely, care enough to do. You are quite obviously a very, very, very sick person. I can't even begin to imagine the scene: you sitting in your closet of a house editing this site all day with intensity and your eyes glued, looking for the next battle and declaring these little wars over nothingness. What posseses you to waste your life this way? Do you get laid? Do you need further explanations as to why you are wasting oxygen and DNA with your efforts? Do you have anyone who knows you waste your life like this? Please don't be offended. But please just stop. You have a very serious illness. See a psychologist but, for God's sake, peel yourself away from this web site and do something with your life before it's over and your are forgotten for the nothing you ever did and the nothing you ever became.