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4 inch, provided only secondary, surface fire channels, useless for AA post WW2 against, Mig 15s and Badgers flown by the Egyptians. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/210.48.175.44|210.48.175.44]] ([[User talk:210.48.175.44#top|talk]]) 01:01, 9 December 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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The procurement of the Royalist and its role during Suez and the confrontation, and the desire of Ministry of Foreign Affairs then, MFAT since 2011, nb the current NZ Ambassador to the US, Tim Grosser to destroy historical truth to reallign NZ with the third world and China is a key issue. Published NZ academic work based on the papers, files and letters of NZ Foreign Affairs officials eg,Frank Corner is in complete variance with the view of USN and RN, Naval Historians and Naval architects, I became a 'anon' wiki editor to maintain historical truth for NZ and the western officer class. The ambiguous role of the Elworthy family, in British and NZ and SC is central. |
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Dekhelia
Part of the caption of the 'Seafire' photograph states: "...the Royal Naval Air Station at Dekhelia, Egypt...".
Is this correct? I know of a 'Dekhelia' in Cyprus, but have never heard of a 'Dekhelia' in Egypt. I can find nothing on Wikipedia on an Egyptian Dekhelia, either RASAM (talk) 21:05, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
With photo captions, I work on the 'what (or who), where and when' principal. So, not knowing the full story on 'Dekhelia', (see above), I did a bit of trawling and found that while most of the information on the internet is indeed about the Dekhelia in Cyprus, (in a variety of spellings), there was a brief mention, in a memoir-driven site, of a Dekhalia near Alexandria in Eygpt.
It just goes to show, one should not always take what one believes at face value.
RASAM (talk) 10:55, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
COMPLAINTS ABOUT ANON WIKI EDITORS by National and Govt Security supporters of UK, Texas, DC & Aust.
Much of this article and many other Wikipedia articles on the Cold War RN and RNZN classes and some NZR and USN a few USN articles are written by your's truly, a former leader writer and business commentator and member of the Watersiders journalist with a B.Com and two poor Honours degrees of the same std as Blairs. There are sometimes attempts to block my editing by ageing retired officers and ratings. My view of this, is most of the complaints stem from South Canterbury where I grew up and my parents were school teachers. During the final unsatistactory years of my fathers career, he was very unpopular, teaching English to mid and low streams, notably, 5.6 and 5.7 were very embittered as they never grasped they had zero chance of passing SC English. My fathers theory was SC English in the 1970s was essentially an IQ test ( 85% correlation) the student variance was up to 10 marks in 50% of cases and made no difference with the rest regardless of teacher effort. This largely farmer, former low grade constituency and their other farming and educational, complaints and recycled myths are the reasons for National converting the regional electorates from safe Labour seat to huge National majorities. Also in the area are the farms once owned by the Elworthy family the former British CDS whose career involved being Number 2 to, Bomber Harris, and in 1963 Air Marshall of the RAF, at the time Curtis Le May was Chief of the USAF. Elworthy and his mates were prominent in the anti nuclear Plains group of former British landed aristocrats formed in North Otago/SC to opposed the Lange - Clark governments nuclear ship ban. But I rather think, I first came to the Elworthy, attention when during the lunch break at the Waimate CC in March/ April 1982, I monopolised the hour for several days, explaining my estimate of the real probabilty the entire RN task force would be destroyed by, the Kfirs, A-4s and Entendards of the Argentinian Navy and Air Force. For the previous six months upon completing my MA, I had been completing a non published draft on the RNZN and RN which calculated that Seacat, Seaslug and the various 4.5 guns used by the RN would not shoot down a single modern jet aircraft (mathematically, it was close to impossible) and I also believed the RNs, AW was 4th class, cf with the 1960s and doubted if the Mk 46 torpedo was useful, given a short non corrected range and dubious speed claim. I said that the Argentinian pilots would in some cases be as good as Gonzales, Reutemann and Fangio ( 3/15 best ever) and they would pray with the Argentine and Nazi flags on their legs before takeoff, like a Bok Rugby team of the mid 20C. I was almost right. So I'm sure Id already enraged the Elworthy clan by then as they had a feudal paternalistic view of SC and NZ as a basic rural agricultural society and in the early 80s were at their peak, Peter as head of Fed Farmers, Jonathon in the Cabinet and former CDS, Lord Elworthy back from London to the manor born. I have never seen the job of defence writer as PR, protecting the image and jobs of ratings or boositing recruitment. I became interested in freelance journalism to make money, and specifically in 1983 to oppose Muldoons disastorous low grade mass recuitment policies for the military and railways. 10 Holland class OPVs and half a dozen Orions or P8s were pretty much the lines I was always thinking along. Most of all that meant with crews of 50-90 effective discipline and an intergrated service would evolve. The opponemts of the Royalist the Asian UN MFAT officials like Corner and the former Reserve officer Phipps seem to me to have no undertanding of post WW2 warfare as for eg the twin RN X1X twin
4 inch, provided only secondary, surface fire channels, useless for AA post WW2 against, Mig 15s and Badgers flown by the Egyptians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.48.175.44 (talk) 01:01, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
The procurement of the Royalist and its role during Suez and the confrontation, and the desire of Ministry of Foreign Affairs then, MFAT since 2011, nb the current NZ Ambassador to the US, Tim Grosser to destroy historical truth to reallign NZ with the third world and China is a key issue. Published NZ academic work based on the papers, files and letters of NZ Foreign Affairs officials eg,Frank Corner is in complete variance with the view of USN and RN, Naval Historians and Naval architects, I became a 'anon' wiki editor to maintain historical truth for NZ and the western officer class. The ambiguous role of the Elworthy family, in British and NZ and SC is central.




