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::No matter how much someone loves Bernie, and Dr. King may have ended up endorsing him if he had lived, such personal tributes are a dime a dozen (a buck fifty apiece taking inflation into regard). [[u|Cannolis]] said it well. [[user:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] 00:52, 26 February 2016 (UTC) |
::No matter how much someone loves Bernie, and Dr. King may have ended up endorsing him if he had lived, such personal tributes are a dime a dozen (a buck fifty apiece taking inflation into regard). [[u|Cannolis]] said it well. [[user:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] 00:52, 26 February 2016 (UTC) |
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== MLK was NOT a "Democratic Socialist". The articles linked to are purely opinion, and not fact based. "Democratic Socialism" is a recent invention and did not even exist in MLK's lifetime. == |
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Just because one can link to sources, it does not make them objective. MLK was staunchly anti-Socialist and anti-Communist, and democratic socialism, as a "political belief", did not exist during his lifetime. These references should be removed entirely, since the sources they link to are entirely opinion and the assertion that MLK was a democratic socialist is complete poppycock. |
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The fact that the sources claiming that MLK was a "Democratic Socialist" are opinion, and not fact based, violates Wikipedia's neutral article guidelines. |
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Please remove all references linking MLK to "Democratic Socialism". MLK was an independent, and publicly denounced socialism (in all its forms) and Communism on several occasions. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Cwaldred|Cwaldred]] ([[User talk:Cwaldred|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cwaldred|contribs]]) 13:26, 17 April 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Pretty sure he was a Republican, actually. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">[[User:Winkelvi|WV]]</span> ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">[[User_talk:Winkelvi|✉]] [[Special:Contributions/Winkelvi|✓]]</span> 13:45, 17 April 2016 (UTC) |
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::Yup, back when they were the party of Lincoln. --[[User:John Abbe|John_Abbe]] ([[User talk:John Abbe|talk]]) 10:15, 19 April 2016 (UTC) |
::Yup, back when they were the party of Lincoln. --[[User:John Abbe|John_Abbe]] ([[User talk:John Abbe|talk]]) 10:15, 19 April 2016 (UTC) |
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Please put the comma back
I'd ask an administrator to please put the comma back in the title: Martin Luther King, Jr. The page was moved without discussion, and I opposed that move but didn't do anything about it at the time, knowing that at some point a discussion here would take place. Yet, as with Martin Luther King, Sr., which also had its comma removed, it then was put back because it clearly was a controversial move as a discussion was taking place and continues to take place, the comma on this page probably should be returned for the time being. It was recently decided that either using a comma or not using it is fine on Wikipedia (if I'm reading it right). So in the case of any discussion about comma usage on Martin Luther King, Jr., the standard comma - which he used, for example, on his book titles - should be present, as it had been since the article's inception. Randy Kryn 4:28 26 March, 2015 (UTC)
Name Changes
In the 1930 Census, Martin King, Sr. and Martin King, Jr. were listed as Marvin L. King, not Michael. In the 1940 census, Martin was then Martin L. King, but his father remained Marvin.
Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2016
Hi, I've never suggested an edit before... I think it would be historically accurate to add this tribute made by Bernie Sanders in 2013 to celebrate the 50th anniversary of MLK JR's "I Have a Dream" speech. In this video Bernie himself talks about the legacy of Dr. King and about the progress that still needs to be made. Sanders was there for the march on Washington and it is clear that he created this tribute out of respect for the man and a desire to spread his message. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tr8DEQl034&feature=youtu.be 64.53.131.232 (talk) 07:36, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}}template. I personally don't see the import of this, tributes to MLK are routinely made by politicians. If Sanders had managed to have a memorial constructed or something of that nature done, then perhaps it would fit in Martin Luther King, Jr.#Memorials and eponymous places and buildings. I'm just one dissenting editor though, so feel free to discuss further and build consensus for your proposed edit Cannolis (talk) 16:32, 25 February 2016 (UTC)- No matter how much someone loves Bernie, and Dr. King may have ended up endorsing him if he had lived, such personal tributes are a dime a dozen (a buck fifty apiece taking inflation into regard). Cannolis said it well. Randy Kryn 00:52, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
MLK was NOT a "Democratic Socialist". The articles linked to are purely opinion, and not fact based. "Democratic Socialism" is a recent invention and did not even exist in MLK's lifetime.
Just because one can link to sources, it does not make them objective. MLK was staunchly anti-Socialist and anti-Communist, and democratic socialism, as a "political belief", did not exist during his lifetime. These references should be removed entirely, since the sources they link to are entirely opinion and the assertion that MLK was a democratic socialist is complete poppycock.
The fact that the sources claiming that MLK was a "Democratic Socialist" are opinion, and not fact based, violates Wikipedia's neutral article guidelines.
Please remove all references linking MLK to "Democratic Socialism". MLK was an independent, and publicly denounced socialism (in all its forms) and Communism on several occasions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwaldred (talk • contribs) 13:26, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
- Pretty sure he was a Republican, actually. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 13:45, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
- Yup, back when they were the party of Lincoln. --John_Abbe (talk) 10:15, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
- There is little or no evidence to support that urban legend, actually; there was no party registration where he lived. For most of his life, the Democratic Party was the only party of any power in his home state; but then, people of his color were discouraged from voting. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:06, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
- Yup, back when they were the party of Lincoln. --John_Abbe (talk) 10:15, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
I agree with editing the term "democratic socialism". That term is two words combined to make one word seem less atrocious. It was already obvious that he believed in democracy, he fought for the proper implementation of democracy. One can believe in democracy and not believe in socialism, and vice versa, so why are the two words used together? Please change this as requested above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arminius Hermann (talk • contribs) 21:57, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
- Democratic socialism is a distinct ideology. clpo13(talk) 22:18, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
- And one with a long history in the United States. In 1920, for example, Socialist Party presidential candidate Eugene V. Debs, imprisoned because of his opposition to World War I, got over 2000 votes for President in Alabama alone, and almost a million votes (3.41% of the vote) nationwide. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:06, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
- MLK, Jr. was certainly not a Republican. As Martin Luther King, III said: "It is disingenuous to imply that my father was a Republican. He never endorsed any presidential candidate, and there is certainly no evidence that he ever even voted for a Republican. It is even more outrageous to suggest he would support the Republican Party of today, which has spent so much time and effort trying to suppress African American votes in Florida and many other states." http://www.politifact.com/tennessee/statements/2012/jan/23/charlotte-bergmann/another-republican-claims-martin-luther-king-jr-wa/
- Democratic socialism seems to have been his political ideology, as he made this statement and used the words specifically in a speech: "There must be a better distribution of wealth, and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism." Frogmore, SC, 14 November 1966 https://books.google.com/books?id=PU_DdaFtYAMC&pg=PT296&dq=mlk+jr+move+toward+a+democratic+socialist&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiPrpLGjuLMAhVJHD4KHcJhA-kQ6AEISzAI#v=onepage&q=mlk%20jr%20move%20toward%20a%20democratic%20socialist&f=false Kinfoll1993 (talk) 22:13, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- As for his "leaning" during his lifetime: "In the past I have always voted for the Democratic ticket." 2 Oct. 1956, Letter to Miss Viva Sloan, The papers of Martin Luther King Jr.
- And: "I felt that Kennedy would make the best president. I never came out with an endorsement. Had President Kennedy lived, I would probably have endorsed him in 1964." The autobiography of Martin Luther King Jr.
- Kierzek (talk) 23:52, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- And one with a long history in the United States. In 1920, for example, Socialist Party presidential candidate Eugene V. Debs, imprisoned because of his opposition to World War I, got over 2000 votes for President in Alabama alone, and almost a million votes (3.41% of the vote) nationwide. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:06, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Beloved Community!
No time to do it myself right now at least, but this page really needs a section on Beloved Community. --John_Abbe (talk) 10:15, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Neutral notification of move discussion
There is a discussion underway to move the article Martin Luther King, Jr. Day (with a single comma) to Martin Luther King Jr. Day. Please share your opinion on the matter at Talk:Martin Luther King, Jr. Day#Requested move 22 April 2016. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:50, 24 April 2016 (UTC)







