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Marked as such. Regarding the unsourced entries, please note that it would be absolutely fair game to remove all living people from the list, on the spot. GregorB (talk) 19:45, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I wanted to make a new section abot "Notable individuals", but we have one alredy. The reason why I wanted to make a new section is this:

We don't even need this section. Their notability is questionable, some are more notable, others are not, or some are more notable then those listed. My proposal is that we remove this section because we alredy have Category:Serbs of Croatia. Also, in the infobox I believe we have enough notable persons shown in the article. --Wustenfuchs 11:48, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing wrong with the list as an idea. Regarding the notability, WP:LISTPEOPLE applies.

BTW, I was just strongly tempted once again to summarily remove all unsourced entries on living people. GregorB (talk) 00:32, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GregorB is right. No reason not to have the list per se, provided that all entries are sourced and that there are no red-linked names in it. The list currently contains 47 unsourced names and 15 sourced ones, i.e. at least two thirds of it could be deleted on the spot per WP:LISTPEOPLE. Timbouctou (talk) 16:08, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh... The article is messy, although it is actually fairly solid content-wise. (Its counterpart in the Croatian Wikipedia is abysmal. No use of pointing that out - they don't care. And no use of trying to fix it - they won't allow it. Business as usual.) Anyway, I'll put some more cleanup into it.

BTW, wouldn't it be more natural for the History section to come first? GregorB (talk) 16:27, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, there are some obvious issues with article organisation. The "Culture" section serves no purpose other than offering a link to Serbian culture. It should be scrapped and the wikilink could be moved to "See also" section. The entire "Serbs in modern Croatia" section should be under the "History" heading, and "Demographics" should follow History, not the other way round. Demographics section should contain more (sourced) prose and less lists with numbers, I see no point in enumerating every single municipality with 10% Serb population. Timbouctou (talk) 16:40, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, the list now contains 76 names (it got bloated by 50% in the last four months), and of those, only 15 are referenced. And anons keep adding red-linked sportspeople en masse. Is there some limit to this per guidelines or can we expect the list to become something of a phone book listing? Timbouctou (talk) 02:17, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On 17 November 2012 @ 22:57 ip user User:94.253.150.225 deleted the following content and citation from the article:

http://facta.junis.ni.ac.rs/pas/pas2003/pas2003-02.pdf pp. 717-730]</ref> A letter of Emperor Ferdinand, sent on November 6, 1538, to Croatian ban Petar Keglević, in which he wrote "Captains and dukes of the Rasians, or the Serbs, or the Vlachs, who usually call themselves the Serbs".<ref name=Gavrilovic/>

The edit summary was {{(No Serbian nationalist reference, please. Thank you)}} Please address this issue. In addition a cite error was created by the delete. I did not wish to revert for fear of being controversial.EagerToddler39 (talk) 23:30, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why isnt Siniša Mihajlović in the pictures???? He is currently the most known Serb from Croatia probably... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Правичност (talk • contribs) 19:07, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nikola Tesla should be removed from this list. He doesn't have any connection to Croatia. He was born in Military frontier of the Austrian Empire where he lived. That Military frontier had become Croatia in 1881., and that was after Tesla no longer lived there. For further info, see the discussions Here and Here Asdisis (talk) 18:51, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't agree for making such actions in such a short time, it needs further discussions, and where all the assurance that some editors opinion is more valuable than the academic built over a century, written in National enyclopedias? Saying Tesla had no connection to Croatia, or making it very minimal, can't be accepted without doubts in some suspicious intentions to lose his connection with Croatia and through his national identity bring Tesla closer to Serbia, something was happening and continued to be done from Yugoslavian time, yet he had nothing to do with that country, even by his national identity. Of course, historically speaking the sentence "Nikola Tesla was born on 10 July (O.S. 28 June) 1856 to Serbian parents in the village of Smiljan, Austrian Empire" is true, but avoding mentioning Croatia is more bad than good. Smiljan, Lika, and the Military Frontier, were on the territory of the Croatian Kingdom, and as such Military Frontier politically, geographically, culturally and socially belonged to the Croatian historical sphere. That's why people in that area have identified themselves with Croatia, and why Tesla said "I am equally proud of my Serbian origin and my Croatian fatherland".--Crovata (talk) 19:56, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's why i started this discussion. I references high quality discussions that already reached certain conclusions. Tesla had no connection to Croatia. That was directly established by referenced discussions. I strongly supported the opposite stand, as you can see in the discussions. Military frontier was not on the territory of Croatian Kingdom, but was a separate entity. It became Croatian territory in 1881., a long time after Tesla lived there. If you read the discussions, all that you said I also advocated. The discussion went to ANI. Please read the referenced discussions. For the last 30 days discussions were open, so I wouldn't call this a hasty decision. I'm prepared to discuss another 30 days and go to another ANI if necessary. Also I would like to note that its hard to edit anything regarding Tesla since different articles were transformed to Serbian/Croatian strongholds. Asdisis (talk) 20:16, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you believe in the well being of your intention, then I support whatever the outcome, but also believe there's more important articles and issues to work on, like this one (Serbs of Croatia), for which I don't have enough expertise and sources to edit alone.

Would note "generalization" on that period of history. Geographically, Smiljan was closer to Velebit, which means quiet within Lika territory than to the Eastern border of the Croatian Military Frontier with Bosnia, and it wasn't called "Croatian" without cause because that was the original territory of Croatian Kingdom since the establishing of the principaliy/kingdom in the 9th or 10th century until the Ottoman invasion. Then it was for a century and half under Ottoman control, and Croatian Kingdom was without Western Bosnia territory and separated in four different areas (from original territory; Dalmatia, Croatian Military Frontier, Croatia, Slavonian Military Frontier). With peace agreements in late 17th and early 18th the current border between Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina was established, while Lika was returned under Austrian control, but wasn't reunited with then small Croatian Kingdom centered around city of Zagreb, but to the Croatian Military Frontier, which as we know, wasn't disestablished until 1881. The Military Frontier was controlled by Austrian administration, but it wasn't political, geographical, cultural and social spehere of Vienna, but of Croatia.

There's no harm of "(modern-day Croatia)" being included, and if we're simplifying history and reducing Tesla connection with Croatia, actually of Croatia with Croatian Military Frontier, Slavonian Military Frontier, and Dalmatia, because they weren't simply "Croatia" by someone's standard, then as well Zaharije Orfelin (b. 1726, Vukovar, Slavonian Military Frontier), Josip Runjanin (b. 1821, Vinkovci, Slavonian Military Frontier), Patriarch Josif Rajačić (b. 1785, Brinje in Lika, Croatian Military Frontier), Simo Matavulj (b. 1852, Šibenik, Dalmatia), Petar Preradović (b. 1818, Grabovnica, Slavonian Military Frontier), Svetozar Pribićević (b. 1875, Kostajnica, Croatian Military Frontier), Milutin Milanković (b. 1879, Dalj, Slavonian Military Frontier), and many others, can't be considered Serbs of Croatia. Then what you consider "Croatia"? What is the criteria to be considered Serb of Croatia and to be included in the list?

Then I would advise you, or anyone, to not discuss only the case of Tesla, but of all Serbs of Croatia who were born until 1881.--Crovata (talk) 22:05, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That is the outcome of the referenced discussions. I was maybe to harsh with the statement that this discussion will go to ANI. I started this discussion and referenced the other discussion which went to ANI and was resolved. Its conclusion is that Tesla had no connection to Croatia. Someone accused me that I was buldgeoning, so I will stay out of this discussion and leave for other editors to resolve it. I just started the discussion and pointed that the decision of ANI directly contradicts that Tesla had any connection to Croatia. I spent a good portion of the last month investigating sources and proving the opposite. Not a single person agreed with me. Not in the 4 discussions I started, RfC, nor ANI, although I thought I proved my point with numerous sources. Asdisis (talk) 00:17, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The problem at Tesla was never about Croatia, but rather about Asdinsis proposals. He basically insisted to add Croatia as Tesla´s birthplace instead of the Military Frontier. Another thing I see being mixed-up here is that Military Frontier was Croatian. It wasn´t... Parts became Croatian. FkpCascais (talk) 02:03, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You can't simply say "it wasn't Croatian", of course it wasn't Croatian Kingdom, but Military Frontier is part of Croatian history because it was previously it's territory, and on the re-counquested territory of Croatian Kingdom was established Croatian Military Frontier. In 1881 was returned to Croatia because Croatia had historical right on it. Neverthless, is with the discussion conclusions altered view or criteria to be Nikola Tesla, every other mentioned above, and other born before 1881, still considered and listed as Serbs of Croatia?--Crovata (talk) 11:33, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I can't say what would be the qualification for others. The referenced discussion concluded that Tesla was not born in Croatia. That means that anyone born in Military frontier was not born in Croatia. However they may have lived in Croatia and that may mean they could be called the Serbs of Croatia. Asdisis (talk) 13:28, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Asdisis, please don't try to disrupt Wikipedia to prove a point. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 11:08, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, I won't have anything to do with this discussion. I just started it and left a reference to the decision of RfC and ANI regarding Tesla's birthplace. I do not see the reason not to spread that decision. It is done in good faith. The fact is that Tesla was not born in Croatia, not he lived in Croatia at any point in time. He had no connections to Croatia. The qualification that he was a Serb of Croatia should be reconsidered. Asdisis (talk) 12:45, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The decision that you link to is simply orthogonal to this. Those discussions are largely about the phrasing of a sentence that first mentions Croatia in the article. The conclusion that he's somehow completely disconnected from the Serbs of Croatia just because a sentence is phrased in a way that you don't personally like - is plain non sequitur. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:34, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The decision is that he was not born in Croatia. I think you also advocated that. If he was not born in Croatia, but a completely different entity, how is he then connected to Croatia? Asdisis (talk) 23:43, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, he was not born in Croatia, because at time of his birt Smiljan was not part of K. of Croatia. However SMiljan was later incorporated into Croatia. So nowadays we consider Serbs from what is currently Croatia, Serbs of Croatia. What is so hard to understand? FkpCascais (talk) 01:04, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I just references the discussions which reached some conclusions. It's for the editors of this page to use them. Just to note that Military frontier was incorporated into Kingdom of Croatia in 1881. That was after Tesla lived there. I doubt that the qualification "Serbs of Croatia" is founded on the grounds you mentioned. However, if it is, I agree with you. I wouldn't want to participate in this discussion. I just referenced some discussions which reached a valuable conclusion. Please do not answer me or engage me in this discussion, since i won't participate or have any influence on the decision to the edit. Best regards.Asdisis (talk) 01:38, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

For the umpteenth time: do not list living people here, implying their ethnicity or ethnic background, without reliable inline references. Note WP:BLP applies, and such entries may be summarily removed from the article. Which I'm going to do in 48 hours. GregorB (talk) 13:39, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, removed with this edit. Please feel free to reintroduce people that were removed, but only with a supporting reliable source in an inline ref. GregorB (talk) 10:16, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I see in the pictures we have two basketball players (Stojaković and Mačvan) and two other sportists (Mihajlović and Šekarić). Having in mind that 3 sportists would be fairly enough, I think two basket players is too much, and no doubts Stojaković is the one world-wide known. Would anyone oppose me changing Mačvan by Momčilo Bajagić? I cant beleave no one mentioned Bajaga before, he is well known musician. FkpCascais (talk) 00:09, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am surprised these two are on the list. First Preradovic was certainly of Serbian origin however he personally identified as a Croat and completely naturalized. So while I agree he should be mentioned he should not be featured on the infobox...Runjanin would be a much better example. As for Pancic he was the opposite case in relation to Preradovic...he was a Croat born in Croatia but moved to Serbia and naturalized, identifying as a Serb so he has nothing to do with this article in general. I am gonna leave this comment and see if someone is interested in a discussion of some sorts but if none I will proceed and make these changes accordingly. Shokatz (talk) 01:07, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]