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It should be noted that any pressing questions we can't find anywhere else can be answered in Greg Weisman's "Ask Greg" section of his website, being that he's a co-creator/writer of the show. [http://s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/ask.php Here's the link]. There's also an archive of questions should anyone want to look around. [[User:Jlooney888|Jlooney888]] ([[User talk:Jlooney888|talk]]) 01:52, 26 March 2012 (UTC) |
It should be noted that any pressing questions we can't find anywhere else can be answered in Greg Weisman's "Ask Greg" section of his website, being that he's a co-creator/writer of the show. [http://s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/ask.php Here's the link]. There's also an archive of questions should anyone want to look around. [[User:Jlooney888|Jlooney888]] ([[User talk:Jlooney888|talk]]) 01:52, 26 March 2012 (UTC) |
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:That just feels wrong to me; its like asking leading questions to get the answers you want, instead of what a reliable source gleans or interviews out. This is not a wikia, We do not add material from wikias, blogs or forums (in virtually every case). Either do the work, find the sources, or sit back and wait until a source emerges. We are not - ''and should not be'' - in a hurry. - [[User:Jack Sebastian|Jack Sebastian]] ([[User talk:Jack Sebastian|talk]]) 02:52, 26 March 2012 (UTC) |
:That just feels wrong to me; its like asking leading questions to get the answers you want, instead of what a reliable source gleans or interviews out. This is not a wikia, We do not add material from wikias, blogs or forums (in virtually every case). Either do the work, find the sources, or sit back and wait until a source emerges. We are not - ''and should not be'' - in a hurry. - [[User:Jack Sebastian|Jack Sebastian]] ([[User talk:Jack Sebastian|talk]]) 02:52, 26 March 2012 (UTC) |
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::It's a slippery slope. Wikipedia is adamantly against OR and yet Ask Greg often fills gaps left by being unable to make leaps in content for Wiki (as leaps in judgement are not scholarly and therefore have no place on Wiki). To Greg's credit, he doesn't spoil plot so it avoids the crystal ball aspect that goes against Wikipedia's rules and often uses his forum to clarify details. Thin line, to be sure. I should add, it takes somewhere between one to three months to get questions answered so if someone is curious about something, I wouldn't expect a speedy answer. [[User:Alucardbarnivous|Alucardbarnivous]] ([[User talk:Alucardbarnivous|talk]]) 04:29, 26 March 2012 (UTC) |
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Robin Secret Identity
Is it really a fact that the Robin used in this series is Dick Grayson? Concluding that Batman would not want Robin to give out his secret identidy to the rest of the team. Don't you think we should just wait until his secret identidy is revealed - just put the word "Robin (comics)"... Well you know how to write it. But until then I think the smartest thing to do is just wait. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.184.46.229 (talk) 22:15, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Additioanlly, IF Robin's costume is more identifiable with Tim Drake -- which wuold also allow hime to eaily fit into YJ Team's make up. Since it could easily NOT be Grayson the article should refelct that Robin has not yet givin his identity — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.196.107.250 (talk) 18:42, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- Other than the fact that Greg Weisman has stated several times that the character is Dick Grayson, I think you might want to re-watch "Homefront", including the bits set in Gotham. Just sayin'. --Several Pending (talk) 20:12, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Discussion on Edits by 64.236.243.16
To whom it may concern (including IP address 64.236.243.16, whose participation in this discussion given that his edits are the point of this discussion),
This is a discussion dedicated to correcting what someone who may have a conflict of interest in editing have said are errors about the show on this article while still following Wikipedian policies and guidelines. 64.236.243.16, self-reportedly Greg Weisman, has been editing this article with the intention of correcting errors. However, because is drawing on personal knowledge without citing any verifiable, reliable sources, which is not allowed on Wikipedia, I have reverted these good-faith edits. While professional expertise is always welcomed on Wikipedia and citing oneself is allowed, the sources cited by the professional must be verifiable. I recommend that Greg Weisman either:
a) (IMHO, the better one) alerts the sources we have cited (i.e. reliable online news organizations) that the information they have is incorrect, thus allowing us to correct the errors while being able to cite verifiable/reliable sources
b) (more iffy* solution) edits his own website (i.e. Ask Greg) to clear up/correct errors he sees on the internet
Solution #b is considered a little more iffy, because the usage of self-published sources is generally not acceptable, with the exception that "the self-published material produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications," which, I think, Ask Greg could qualify, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.Ask Greg is a section whose words are penned by Weisman on a third-party site, which seems to similar to how an expert has his own column on a newspaper. —MirlenTalk 06:22, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
I am also open to alternative proposals (as there is definitely a precedent for this sort of issue) suggested by other editors, hence this discussion. —MirlenTalk 01:57, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
- I have restored the verifiable or grammatical edits by 64.236.243.16. For convenience, I have listed out the restored edits: Artemis's age, which is indeed 15 according to the official podcast (verified); per season --> throughout each season (grammar-related edit noted); and Jackson Hyde's background specifically originating from Brightest Day as stated in official DCU blog (verified). Other edits still remain unrestored, since they need to be cited by verifiable, reliable sources w/o drawing on personal knowledge from a shared IP address. —MirlenTalk 03:03, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Grammar/Sourcing
Second-to-last sentence in Production/Conception and Development is grammatically incorrect. ("Although there were several characters the producers were not allowed to use in the first season (a list that has become shorter along the course of the development), they were usually in charge of the decisions determining which DC Universe character would or would not be used.[23]") Additionally, that particular cite does not back up claim. TAGregory (talk) 18:19, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Confusing
The sentence saying "Superboy, whose origins will be faithful to that of his comic book counterpart while the character in the show will be a new take by the producers" How can it be both faithful to his comic counterpart but be a new take?68.196.93.32 (talk) 00:44, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- Seems very clear to me. The origin story is faithful to the comics, but the character's personality is a new take. 75.76.213.106 (talk) 21:18, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Young Justice Wiki
There has yet to be a wiki for this program, there's a wealth of articles that could be done even from the first two episodes. -- Anythingspossibleforapossible (talk) 16:50, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
- I think you may have skipped over Young Justice (TV series).-5- (talk) 12:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- There isn't one on wikia. -- Anythingspossibleforapossible (talk) 00:20, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
- Oh, now I understand.-5- (talk) 17:40, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Superboy's Origins
Currently the article says "Superboy/Connor Kent departs from his normal comic book origins and has a new take in the show, created by the producers, as a sixteen-week-old clone of Superman who was made by Project Cadmus". This in fact is the origin of the modern Superboy character in the comics. --220.253.72.11 (talk) 15:34, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- Agreed. I removed the line.dstumme (talk) 19:33, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Episode 10
so what's the deal with episode 10? infobox says 10 episodes aired but I'm pretty sure it was only 9. List of episodes pages doesn't have a date on episode 10. Ramdomwolf 130.63.143.227 (talk) 15:29, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
The tenth episode, Targets, was put up on CN's website for like two seconds awhile back before it was taken down. That may be why it's listed as ten aired, though to my knowledge the episode has yet to appear on television. His royal majesty, Lord Holy Ono (talk) 20:01, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
David Sobolov in the series
I Managed to talk to voice artist David Sobolov via Facebook about a month ago, he had been cast for the second season of the show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.Fennoy75 (talk • contribs) 18:50, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
- That's great. Do you have a published reference that says that as well? We cannot add the info without it. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 04:39, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
What the 'L'? (cast stuff)
I am noticing L-1, and L-whatever appearing under the additional casting headings. Have these played out in series credits, or is this an article organizational thing? If its the former, lets get some cites for them. If the latter, it cannot remain in the article, as it is Original Research.
As well, I am not seeing any references for the different castings. These are needed. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 04:42, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
- I'm going to revert out the references to "L-1" and the like until we have reliable citation (beyond observational Sherlocking and primary sources) that link these characters to The Light. When we have that, we can maybe include a section on The Light wherein each of the villains are detailed with citation. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 17:07, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
"Additional cast" too long
Is there a way to pare this down? Wikipedia isn't a repository for this sort of info, though some of the more notable actors might be able to turned into prose. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 17:18, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
- To that end, I have moved to below most of the additional cast (mostly composed of one-offs and the like) to here. Additionally, I have removed the additional roles from the cast and additional cast list in the article. If there is a solid reason why they are vital to an understanding of the series, we can add them back on a case-by-case basis. Alternatively, a subsection on how voice talent typically performs more than just their primary role might be of encyclopedic interest.
- Thom Adcox - Klarion the Witch Boy
- Edward Asner - Kent Nelson
- René Auberjonois - Mark Desmond
- Dee Bradley Baker - Monsieur Mallah, Wolf, Mr. Tawny, Serafim, Desaad, Teekl, Felix Faust
- Steven Blum - Count Vertigo
- Corey Burton - Brain, Hamilton Hill, Dudley H. Dudley, Commissioner James Gordon, Wizard
- Grey DeLisle - Beautiful Dreamer, Whisper A'Daire
- Benjamin Diskin - Harm
- Lacey Chabert - Zatanna
- George Eads - Flash
- Bill Fagerbakke - Big Bear
- Oded Fehr - Ra's al Ghul
- Miguel Ferrer - Vandal Savage
- Dave Franco - Riddler
- Logan Grove - Garfield Logan
- Phil LaMarr - Aquaman, Dubbilex, Alpha Leader, Scientist #2
- John de Lancie - Mister Twister/Brom Stikk
- Yuri Lowenthal - Icicle, Jr., Garth, Lagoon Boy, Beta Leader, Tommy Terror
- Peter MacNicol - Professor Ivo, M.O.N.Q.I.s, Amazo
- Vanessa Marshall - Black Canary, Noor Harjavti, Dr. Amanda Spence
- Alyssa Milano - Poison Ivy
- Masasa Moyo - Cat Grant, Wendy Harris, Karen Beecher, Secret, Amber Joyce
- Robert Ochoa - Billy Batson
- Yuji Okumoto - Tseng, Singh Manh Li, Xiaping
- Adrian Pasdar - Hugo Strange
- Sheryl Lee Ralph - Amanda Waller
- James Remar - Icicle, Sr.
- Kevin Michael Richardson - Martian Manhunter, Nabu, Clayface, Mal Duncan, Batallion Chief, S.T.A.R. Labs Truck Driver #1, Vykin, Bruno Mannheim, Jim Daniels, Blackbriar Thorn, Paul Sloane
- Mark Rolston - Lex Luthor
- Sarah Shahi - Killer Frost
- Marina Sirtis - Queen Bee, Sandra Stanyon
- Roger Craig Smith - Orm Marius, Ocean Master, Atlantean Guard #3, Gamma Leader
- Kath Soucie - Lori Lemaris, Mera, Joan Garrick
- Brent Spiner - The Joker
- Alyson Stoner - Bette Kane, Barbara Gordon
- Tara Strong - Dr. Serling Roqutte, WayneTech Cashier
- Cree Summer - Madame Xanadu, Tula, Mary West
- Keith Szarabajka - Mr. Freeze
- James Arnold Taylor - Topo, Atlantean Soldier #2, Delta Leader
- Danny Trejo - Bane
- Alan Tudyk - Green Arrow, Psimon
- Arnold Vosloo - Kobra
- Greg Weisman - Snapper Carr
- Ariel Winter - Princess Perdita
- Keone Young - Sensei
- More information that has been added to the cast list. Of course, references have been added to this information. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 16:48, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
- Of course if there are any big names in the cast list, we can do what they did in the Batman: The Brave and the Bold page and sort the Special Guest Stars from the Additional Voices. Otherwise, we should list them as what it was before it was trimmed with the cast member trivia in a sub-section. Rtkat3 (talk) 12:30, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
- I disagree completely, which should be expected, since I am the one doing the trimming. Having the the editor determine who is a "big name" is - by definition - Original Research. Additionally, B:B&B is a different animal; virtually every episode is a self-enclosed vignette. Only Batman is the constant, and the cast otherwise changes; indeed, its the pull of the series. This series doesn't use 'special guest stars'; it has a regular cast, with often regularly recurring cast members and a few additional (and peripheral) cast members. As well, there is the issue of notability; just because someone played ChuckleBunny (or whatever), doesn't make them all that vital to an understanding of the subject of the article (ie, the series itself). - Jack Sebastian (talk) 19:06, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
- Of course if there are any big names in the cast list, we can do what they did in the Batman: The Brave and the Bold page and sort the Special Guest Stars from the Additional Voices. Otherwise, we should list them as what it was before it was trimmed with the cast member trivia in a sub-section. Rtkat3 (talk) 12:30, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
In my opinion, on the main page only keep the voice actors who voice main or recurring characters, but add any minor roles they also voice as well. If a main voice actor also voices several unnamed characters, just add "additional voices" instead of "random guy #1, man on street #2, etc". It might also be useful to create a character list as its own article. --JDDJS (talk) 20:05, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
- How About anyone could make a page like this. With All the cast and their Characters as well as their first appearences and Notes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.Fennoy75 (talk • contribs) 00:25, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
- That might also work. We could have an individual page like they did for any of the characters appearing in Batman: The Brave and the Bold. Rtkat3 (talk) 7:06, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- How About anyone could make a page like this. With All the cast and their Characters as well as their first appearences and Notes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.Fennoy75 (talk • contribs) 00:25, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Primetime Emmy Award
Brandon Vietti won the "Outstanding Work as Lead Character Designer" animation category for the series. It's definitely worth a mention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.11.11 (talk) 08:24, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
- I agree. Where do you think it should go, new contributor? :) - Jack Sebastian (talk) 20:36, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Megan Morse
I see there's a back and forth regarding Miss Martian's secret identity for the TV series. I googled it and it says she was revealed as Megan Morse in the episode Targets on a wikia. If someone could check that episode out, maybe this can be resolved one way or another. Alucardbarnivous (talk) 04:29, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
- I watched and can confirm that the character named herself as such, at 6:22 into the episode. I don't think its been used at any other point, though. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 04:57, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
- Isn't that just another pseudonym? I thought her real name was "M'gann M'orz" or somthing like that, and "Megan Morse" was picked as her "earth name" probably 'cause it sounds similar. --TiagoTiago (talk) 00:05, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Youngest member.
Robin is listed as the youngest member of the team at age 13. But Superboy was just 16 weeks old when he was discovered which would make him the youngest. Am I missing something?65.204.124.130 (talk) 00:41, 27 February 2012 (UTC) Yes, a citation where someone notable made that observation. We cannot operation off of editorial deductions. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 15:33, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
- In other words, logic has no place on wikipedia. 65.24.130.242 (talk) 10:12, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
- A more accurate assessment would be that your logic and reasoning have no place in a Wikipedia article. You aren't notable. That sounds a lot harsher than is intended, but your views on a subject cannot be put into the article. Because its an encyclopedia, we use only cited sources. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 14:41, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
- ↑ case in point. Because you aren't a celecbrity, in the eyes of wikipedia, you are incapable of rational thought.65.204.124.130 (talk) 22:26, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
- Not to belabor the point, but we aren't talking about celebrities here, and you should probably consider shifting your perspective and mood a little bit; the hostility and sarcasm is a bit off-putting, and certainly unwarranted here. No one is saying you aren't "capable of rational thought". We are saying that your rational thought is just that - yours. Citable sources could be writers and the sort of folk who are read by more than here in the article discussion pages. We have an entire policy page about that. On that page, it discusses this topic far more effectively than I can here. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 00:55, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
- ↑ case in point. Because you aren't a celecbrity, in the eyes of wikipedia, you are incapable of rational thought.65.204.124.130 (talk) 22:26, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
- A more accurate assessment would be that your logic and reasoning have no place in a Wikipedia article. You aren't notable. That sounds a lot harsher than is intended, but your views on a subject cannot be put into the article. Because its an encyclopedia, we use only cited sources. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 14:41, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
Question Are we actually compelled to state that Robin is the youngest member of the team? I know it's in his description at the official website, but it seems to me that we could simply tweak his profile in the article to read "though only 13, he is the most experienced member of the team" or something similar, without being guilty of original synthesis or whatnot. --Several Pending (talk) 07:39, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
- I could easily live with that, especially if it prevents the sme sorts of arguments that appeared above from recurring. :) - Jack Sebastian (talk) 09:01, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Chad Lowe credit
Being slow of wit, I've only just picked up on this: Chad Lowe has been credited as the voice of Captain Marvel for the character's more recent appearances ("Secrets" & "Misplaced"). Is it worth adding a separate listing for this or should it just be a note appended to Rob Lowe's bit? --Several Pending (talk) 08:52, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
- I am of the opinion that it should be added to Rob Lowe's bit; he was, after all, asked to do it at Rob's request when something came up and the older brother couldn't do the voice work. That they are related can be seen as notable. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 14:27, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Ask Greg
It should be noted that any pressing questions we can't find anywhere else can be answered in Greg Weisman's "Ask Greg" section of his website, being that he's a co-creator/writer of the show. Here's the link. There's also an archive of questions should anyone want to look around. Jlooney888 (talk) 01:52, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
- That just feels wrong to me; its like asking leading questions to get the answers you want, instead of what a reliable source gleans or interviews out. This is not a wikia, We do not add material from wikias, blogs or forums (in virtually every case). Either do the work, find the sources, or sit back and wait until a source emerges. We are not - and should not be - in a hurry. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 02:52, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
- It's a slippery slope. Wikipedia is adamantly against OR and yet Ask Greg often fills gaps left by being unable to make leaps in content for Wiki (as leaps in judgement are not scholarly and therefore have no place on Wiki). To Greg's credit, he doesn't spoil plot so it avoids the crystal ball aspect that goes against Wikipedia's rules and often uses his forum to clarify details. Thin line, to be sure. I should add, it takes somewhere between one to three months to get questions answered so if someone is curious about something, I wouldn't expect a speedy answer. Alucardbarnivous (talk) 04:29, 26 March 2012 (UTC)


