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" According to Aitken, after his resignation" should say " According to biographer Aitken, after his resignation". I just wasted 2 minutes trying to figure out who Aitken is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.202.173 (talk) 04:12, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Will do. Thanks.--Wehwalt (talk) 03:51, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nixon's head became a regular spoof on tv series Futurama. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.31.4.78 (talk) 10:23, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Denied. There is a separate article for depictions of Nixon.--Wehwalt (talk) 03:52, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why has an complete section of this article been removed i am talking about Richard Nixon's second term a long with the photo of him being sworn in for a second time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack11111 (talk • contribs) 02:03, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article was remodeled somewhat, rather than first term versus second term we made it foreign versus domestic policy. We felt that as there was limited space for images, we didn't need 2 images of Nixon beign sworn in.--Wehwalt (talk) 03:54, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I see nothing is said here about that despite it being well documented [1] [2] [3]. "Good article". Posh. What's the matter, is he still alive and protected by the BLP squad? FuFoFuEd (talk) 20:21, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think we have to be careful not to judge yesterday's politicians by today's standards. Nixon's views on gays were not unusual for his time.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:32, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

FuFo: instead of showing up with attitude, just edit the article.--Fizbin (talk) 21:43, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you do, please make sure you reference it appropriately in the style in the article. Perhaps you won't, but I asked.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:56, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that there was some debate about the lead. For what it's worth, I do think it's good to have a cursory summary of the subject's overall significance in the first paragraph, rather than just a list of his jobs. I like what was done with these presidential articles (FA and GA respectively), for example:

Rutherford Birchard Hayes (October 4, 1822 – January 17, 1893) was the 19th President of the United States (1877–1881). As president, he oversaw the end of Reconstruction and the United States' entry into the Second Industrial Revolution. Hayes was a reformer who began the efforts that would lead to civil service reform and attempted, unsuccessfully, to reconcile the divisions that had led to the American Civil War fifteen years earlier.

George Washington (February 22, 1732 [O.S. February 11, 1731] – December 14, 1799) was the dominant military and political leader of the new United States of America from 1775 to 1799. He led the American victory over Great Britain in the American Revolutionary War as commander-in-chief of the Continental Army in 1775–1783, and presided over the writing of the Constitution in 1787. The unanimous choice to serve as the first President of the United States (1789–1797), Washington presided over the creation of a strong, well-financed national government that stayed neutral in the wars raging in Europe, suppressed rebellion and won acceptance among Americans of all types. His leadership style established many forms and rituals of government that have been used ever since, such as using a cabinet system and delivering an inaugural address. Washington is universally regarded as the "Father of his country".

You get an immediate sense of the dominant themes of the article—the historical backdrop, the major accomplishments, the legacy—in just a few sentences. They go into detail in the subsequent paragraphs. I think this goes along with the "brilliant prose" quality. Not all the presidential FAs/GAs follow this design, of course. Just my two cents. —Designate (talk) 02:47, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your thoughts and for the work on the article I see you've done. Personally, I believe that the lede paragraph should be the capstone of the article in the manner you suggest. However, I see the current state of the lede as a compromise between those who feel a heavier emphasis should be made on Nixon's difficulties in office, and those who feel a passing mention of Watergate is more than sufficient. I'd like to lay this aside until after the FAC closes, if possible.--Wehwalt (talk) 05:45, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I kept this out of the FAC so it wouldn't be an issue there. —Designate (talk) 20:24, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for that. Managing this article can be like the classic running back and forth across a tilting floor.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:38, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I just noticed that, as of now, the link to Gerald Ford's article is missing in the info bar to the right. It should be fixed for completeness. Arobicha (talk) 15:02, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your eye for detail! Actually as Ford is linked as VP, it isn't necessary to have a second link as Nixon's successor, given that they are within a few lines of each other. That would be overlinking, I guess. It's not the sort of thing I would revert if someone did it, probably.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:08, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Ksk2875 has twice added an addition of almost 1kB to the article, which deals with the fact that Air Force One, on which Nixon was traveling, changed its call signal at noon on August 9, 1974, the date and time at which Nixon's resignation became effective. The addition seems not germane, especially in a lengthy article like this, and I and another editor have each reverted once. Also, the grammar's not very good, but that could be fixed if the content was important to this article. Thoughts?--Wehwalt (talk) 15:02, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, it is a weak trivial addition.--Fizbin (talk) 16:36, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It would be fine if anyone writes Resignation of Richard Nixon as an article, not a redirect. But the Nixon articles are like a pyramid, there's lots of space at the bottom, but at the top level article, not so much.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:28, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that this is too trivial to be included in article; User:Ksk2875 continues to edit war, and has violated 3RR. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 21:23, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Let's hold off on a report until the FAC closes. This is no time for a fuss, and we can handle it for a while.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:52, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

An editor keeps adding, first via category than via the body of the article that Nixon was a member of the NRA. I don't doubt it, but so what? Nixon was a joiner, like many politicians of the era. To my knowledge, he joined several churches, social organizations (especially in the 30s and 40s, you name it. It was a good thing for an aspiring politician. That being said, the NRA membership does not seem to have any relevance to Nixon's life in particular. Gun control was not a major issue during Nixon's presidency, as the Omnibus Crime Control Act was passed in '68 and it was years before it became a major issue again.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:39, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I simply wanted to add the category and was asked for sources indirectly. Being an NRA Life member is significant, especially for a US President(only 8 US Presidents have been members). I would be satisfied with just the category at the bottom of the article. I wouldn't say he was a "joiner", if there were a list of other organizations of which he was a member, I would have added it there, the closest section was in the "early life" section. He definitely belongs in the category of NRA members.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 22:00, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that per WP:CATEGORY it has to be in the article, and really, what is the relevance to Nixon? I can't even find any information he owned a gun, other than the one Elvis gave him! At this article length, anything we add has to be relevant to Nixon's life, not just that it is a sourced fact about Nixon. Thoughts? A few hundred people have this FA watchlisted ... --Wehwalt (talk) 22:23, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, ok, I didn't know that about WP:CATEGORY, I just know I get bitched at whenever I create an article without categories at the bottom.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 22:28, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry about it! I just did some research, it is from the NY Times, 2/23/69, perhaps you can find it free but I will transcribe it:

Rifle Unit Membership Is Disavowed by Nixon WASHINGTON, Feb. 22 (UPI)-President Nixon has disavowed an honorary membership in the National Rifle Association, an aide said today. Mr. Nixon does not remember having been enrolled in the organization and does not even own a gun, Bryce N. Harlow, a White House assistant, advised Representative Richard D. McCarthy, Democrat of Buffalo.

The American Rifleman, the association's official publication, proclaimed in a January editorial that Mr Nixon would become the sixth President to hold membership in the N.R.A. Representative McCarthy, a supporter of gun control laws, noted this and wrote Mr. Nixon asking him to quit the association.

I think it's best to leave it out, with respect. Obviously there is a disagreement.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:39, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I honestly did not know that, but seeing the source material about his membership and then this sort of "duck and cover", I'm left with just a little bit less respect for Tricky Dick than I had. question on a related note, George HW Bush did the same thing. Now with Bush its a bit different as he rode on an NRA endorsement in 88 and then banned importation of 19 types of rifles in 89. In 92, NRA did not endorse him (which was significant, considering the times). In 93 or 94, Bush renounced his NRA membership due to an ad where NRA depicted BATFE as "jack booted thugs". Should I follow the same course of action as here? The major difference I see is Bush needed the NRA endorsement and stumped as "anti-gun control" whereas with Nixon it was a non-issue.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 22:49, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think the difference is that Bush knew he was a NRA member and used it politically. He was a knowing member for years. I don't even know if Nixon got the magazine. But if you can find a speech by Nixon in which he mentions being an NRA member, pre 1969, I'll withdraw my objection.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:05, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What source material, by the way? If the NRA has an application an check, or a letter acknowledging his membership that is quite another matter. I saw another article in the Buffalo paper saying he wanted to resign from all organizations that did lobbying.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:06, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Various books and magazines, most just stating he was a member, but like you said...it didn't really help or hurt his presidency. Now the others like Reagan (remained pro-gun even after he was shot; and carried a revolver on occassion), Roosevelt (the hunting connection), Taft (saw civilian marksmanship as key to national defense), Ike (was a keynote speaker at an annual meeting), JFK(was a competitive shooter and advocated civilian ownership of firearms after Cuban missile Crisis), and Grant (was 7th president of the NRA) have more merit to mention it in their articles. Do you have the author of the NYT piece? I'd like to add to the NRA article that he was listed as a member and later resigned/disavowed it. Thanks again, wasn't trying to hose up your article and thanks for the link to Categories (I learn something new every day on here).--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 23:13, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, it was a UPI reprint, no author mentioned. Dig this search. It's not my article, actually, but it's a brand new FA and editorial control will help it maintain that new article shine for longer!--Wehwalt (talk) 23:22, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to be an expanded version of what was in the Times.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:23, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wehwalt deleted a photo twice [three times in 29 minutes] (the Dayan photo to the right; already existing was the Sadat photo to the right); his initial deletion and edit summary was "At the FAC, I was required to delete images. There are quite a few images I would add before this one".

I gather that he has worked hard at the article, and appreciate that. At the same time, this is a collaborative enterprise. I note his use of the phrase "I" twice in his edit summary, pointing to his personal experience and as well to his personal (subjective) view.

Objectively, Nixon's Israel policy was a key component to his Presidency. I expect that is beyond dispute. It seems only logical to reflect an image relating to his discussions with Israel. The image that was added (and deleted) is of normal size -- nothing like the over-sized images that I notice in the article. If we have a sensitivity to images over-taking the article, we might focus on image size. But this image seems both of appropriate size and significantly relevant.

I think it appropriate to keep that image in. If anyone has a better one of Nixon negotiating with Israel, that would be great as well.

Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:58, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not launch claims of ownership unless you know what you're getting into, that is at best rude, and this article was not a solo work, which is why there was a conom at FAC. What else do you want besides my subjective opinion? We have an image of Nixon with Dayan ... and what? What does it show? An article is not a picture gallery We are not here to show Nixon with every possible world leader. Judging by your edit summary and your statement, you want to show Nixon with an Israeli. How does that help the reader? The present image in the Middle East section is of far greater significance, Nixon talking with Sadat, in Egypt mere months after the Yom Kippur War, reestablishing relations (also nice pyramids in background). I am sorry you do not like the large images. They were very popular at the FAC. Have you read it?

And it is a valid point that you have overstuffed the section, which will have an affect on how the article appears in people's browsers. We do not need two images to illustrate that section and the Sad-at image is far more important. Why do we need an image of Nixon and Dayan waving arms around?

And to answer your point, Nixon's Israel policy was not central to his presidency until late 1973, which you would know if you read the section you inserted the image into. This image is from 1970, though it lacks author information, which would have caused this article to fail FAC had it been in it. Who took it? What roll and image number? If you don't have that information, I don't even know this is a public domain image. And yes, there are plenty of photos in the Archives which are not PD>--Wehwalt (talk) 06:10, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ah ... a light dawns. Are you inserting the Dayan image to balance the Sadat one? That seems to be the case judging by your insistence on having Nixon with an Israeli, in your edit summaries and comments above.--Wehwalt (talk) 06:33, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• We have a President whose policy vis-a-vis Israel was a significant part of his Presidency. That is the only image relative to his discussions with the Israelis. It serves the same purpose as nearly every other image in the article -- what do they show? They either show how he looked at a particular point in his life, or him interacting with significant players in the dealings that were most important to his life.

In this photo, he is full of expression. That of course contrasts starkly with the other photo in the section. In the other photo, his face is darkened, small, and largely turned away from the camera. Your suggestion that the other photo (not that we only need one of them) is more significant because it shows pyramids (really?), or the proximity in time to a war, I find unconvincing. We see much more of Nixon the man in the photo that I added. And he is the subject of the image.

I think that there is room for both images, though.

As to the size of the over-large images, I would have thought that they would have raised questions if reviewed with MOS:IMAGES, and in particular Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Images in mind.

I see that in your most recent deletion of the image you cite as your rationale "although it seems to come from a National Archives page, its copyright status needs to be established. Who took it? What is the roll number? What is the image number? This is KNOWN for every Nixon WHPO image.)" Can you please point me to where that is a requirement for an image? If it is not, can you please explain why -- with talkpage discussion ongoing -- you used that as your basis for deleting the image for the third time in 29 minutes? That strikes me, unless you have a solid basis that you can point me to, as inappropriately aggressive.

I would hope you would reconsider, as the flurry of deletions and the edit summaries suggest that perhaps this is getting more emotional that is best for our consideration of the issues. Also, perhaps others can weigh in here. If we can't sort it out ourselves or with commenters on this page, lets get the image experts to look at it -- they are perhaps less invested in the individual article that we are, and can look at it under wp MOS IMAGES guidelines with a more objective view towards equal application of the guidelines.

(Sorry about the mention of the ownership issue, which is secondary, and I see is a subject of a tag at the top of the page that says that you are not exercising ownership -- that is just how your deletions and edit summaries appeared to me; no insult intended. I imagine if I had done as much as you have clearly done to improve the article, I would be keenly sensitive to my own compass in terms of what was a good addition and what was not.)--Epeefleche (talk) 06:54, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To be completely fair, an FAC is by its nature collaborative, so anything out of that process can be considered the community consensus at the time it passed. That doesn't mean it's immutable, but it's more than just the one editor's opinion. —07:13, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

I completely agree. The primary issue is whether the image W deleted a number of times now should be deleted. That is the only issue that I indicated was one editor's opinion (as well as his view that it is the inferior of the above two photos ... if, indeed, it is not acceptable to have both of them). Of course, it was not an image that was considred at the collaborative FAC.--Epeefleche (talk) 07:25, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would wish that you woudl not mix your advocacy for the image with darts at me. You withdraw the ownership only to complain about the pace of reversal, to which you are a part. I was prepared to leave it up for the discussion until I saw that I could not prove it to be PD. And at present, FAC articles are very much expected to have their ducks in a row on images.--Wehwalt (talk) 07:36, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wehwalt -- I'm avoiding escalating this; I haven't made an edit warning complaint for 3 reverts in 29 minutes, or discussed wp:admin obligations, or escalated this to any noticeboard substantive or otherwise. I'm giving you a chance to reconsider, to STARE at the 2 images, and ask yourself -- "Do I really think that the Dayan image is inferior to the image that is in that section (clarity/expression/ability to see the person/every criterion of Featured Images), and if not, do I think it is in retrospect OK to leave in the photo"? If you can get there, great. If discussion here can get us there, great. If not, let's bring in the Featured Images and wikiproject images folks who are more sensitive to image issues, and less attached to the images in the article, to review the image issues. Frankly, I'm astonished that you 1) won't tolerate this one image; and 2) go so far as to suggest that the existing image is superior. I think both can remain, but find it hard to believe that the images people will think the dark/blurry/face-turned-away photo to be superior.--Epeefleche (talk) 07:45, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The image was removed the final time for lack of valid author information, you have failed to respond to my point or supply valid source information. As I've said, the National Archives contains copyright photos too, and without the info I've requested it is unclear whether this is a copyvio. That's a valid reason for removal. I find your repeated claims concerning my faults again badly mixed with matters concerning the article content. We can either engage in a content discussion, or we can talk about what you are very loudly refraining from doing. I won't mix the two, that way does not lie good outcomes. Would you like to discuss whether or not each of us has been edit warring, or would you like to discuss content? I express my willingness to discuss the latter. As a preliminary matter, please state the name of the photographer, the roll and image number, so that per WP:V, we can be sure this is a public domain image. There's a lot of crap on commons, you know.--Wehwalt (talk) 09:20, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Incidentally, are you sure you are understanding the difference between featured articles and featured images correctly? No one says the Sadat image is a perfect portrait of the two men. The situation is what is important there. It's like the Kitchen Debate image, the situation is being imaged, not the man. We know what Nixon's facial features look like. As the image is adequate in thumbnail, it's detailed enough. Although the Nixon Library people are helpful and enthusiastic towards my work, a higher res image would cost money. And did you notice that very few of the article's image are simple "Nixon with X"? I think the Mao one is excusable, the Elvis one is famous, and the one with Bill Clinton I've asked for cleanup on commons. Frankly, they are the weakest images in the article and I see no reason to add more to them.--Wehwalt (talk) 09:45, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And for everyone's reference here's the relevant discussion from the FAC. I would consider it deceitful to jump in after the FAC and add images, especially a dodgy one like the Dayan one:

MOS photo and comments

• A photo gallery posing as an article. Text sandwiching, crowding and stacking. Photos spilling over into sections below. Don't tell me the picture window size photos are the wave of future FA's. Brad (talk) 15:55, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm sorry you don't like the use of images. I thought I had done it well, and some of the reviewers seemed to like them. I'm open, as always to suggestions but am reluctant to cut too many unless a number of reviewers agree with your views. And given the article length is the second longest I've brought here, I think there is text enough to constitute an article. Thoughts?--Wehwalt (talk) 17:52, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Putting aside the full-width images, which I like, the side images are a little heavy (although many recent politicians have a similar amount). There are 28 left/right-aligned images, not counting the infobox. I'm sure you could cut out 4-5 of them and maybe reduce the overall impression of crowding. The last section particularly is chewed up on my monitor. —Designate (talk) 20:28, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I did that. Is that good for you, Brad101?--Wehwalt (talk) 20:54, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And one more thing. It is obvous Epeefleche does not understand these photos. Oval Office shots were posed. Nixon's face is not "full of expression", he's posing for the camera. You can go check the Presidential Daily Diary for December 1970, there will be an entry for the Dayan meeting "Press in/out". Which means that the press was allowed to come in, take photos, then go away and let the meeting happen. The duty WH photographer would come in with the press.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:54, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Wehwalt -- I "understand" the photo. Anyone looking at them can see what I have pointed out for themselves. They are set forth at the top of this string. Your assertion that the full-face photo of him is "posed" is, of course, POV or OR or both. I'm slightly surprised that you still think that face-half-turned-away, blurry, no-expression photo of him is the superior one of the two. I'm willing to accept both, but if you can't get there perhaps other editors can comment. If we all can't get there, let's bring in the images experts to take a look at the photos. At the featured images promotion page, we routinely look at images to determine which ones are best, and why. Those editors could no doubt do a great job comparing these two images dispassionately (and looking at any other images, such as that raised by Brad and that related to our MOS, while they are at it).

As to your deletion of the image, the first 2x was for reasons that seem unavailing in the light of the above discussion. Your third deletion that half hour was for reasons I questioned above. You never responded to my query with a link to the applicable "requirement" you posit. Furthermore, I see that information has been added to the photo page -- I'm not aware that any more than the existing information is required. And, of course, under the circumstances it appears that you are scrounging for support for your initial two deletions, given the lack of support for them, by coming up with wiki-lawyering based on guidelines that you have failed to point to, if they do in fact exits.

Hopefully we can all come to agreement here. I'm as I said fine with both images remaining. If one has to go, I think the Sadat one is objectively clearly inferior. If Whewalt can agree, great. If not, perhaps we can reach consensus w/other editors here. If that does not work, lets bring in the image experts to take a look. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:47, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WP:V might be a good start on policy, as there is insufficient info to conclude that it is PD because we don't know who took it ... If it will help, on Monday I could have my photo contact at the Nixon library email me the contact sheet for the Sadat photo, there may be a better one. Look, we are blessed with having an incredible number of images of Nixon out there and very little available room in the article. We are not trying to get incredibly great technical photos, the reason the Sadat one is there is because it reflects the article text very nicely. I don't like to use space on a standard photo of talking heads (and no, it is not OR, I've read up on the WHPO's procedures in the Nixon years in connection with my viewing of the Atkins collection at GMU). I could also request a copy of a contact sheet from Nixon's 1974 visit to Israel. There may be some way to compromise this. Sound fair? It would be kinda cool if there was an image of Nixon at the Kotel or something.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:06, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted a long edit about Nixon's failed health plan. First of all, I think there is a recentism problem, it is more prominent than it would otherwise be in light of ObamaCare. Second, some of the sources were not high quality. Third, it is just too long when we are already a very long article, we just can't have kilobyte additions, because there's no end to it and I don't want the FAC delegates annoyed at an expanding article. This is the likely TFA for January 9, 2013, and if it is so huge that people's browsers won't load, we're not helping the editor in the way we should be.--Wehwalt (talk) 06:37, 10 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote the edit. In short, it was a pretty important part of Nixon's social agenda (discussed in his State of the Union addresses), failing partly through Watergate. Comparable, say, to Bush's planned Social security privatization reform. On the second point, yes, there aren't very many news articles about Richard Nixon right now, for obvious reasons, and I didn't spend too long searching for sources. I did find a much better sourced/detailed draft page here, but it hasn't been touched in 2 years :( Seleucus (talk) 13:55, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can you draft say, two sentences about it? Then I'll start looking through my bios of Nixon to see if I can source it. I think we can stand a brief addition, but I would prefer to avoid comparisons with ObamaCare. This article stays in contemporary mode almost all of the time, and I'd hate to keep taking the reader out of the past to the present, so to speak.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:02, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not by any means an expert (only added it because I thought the article was lacking), and it would help if someone more knowledgeable could rewrite the policy description, but my two sentence attempt:

During Nixon's presidency, healthcare costs rapidly increased, resulting in deficits to Medicare and Medicaid. In 1974, in order to combat the perceived healthcare crisis, Nixon proposed a major health care reform plan in his State of the Union address, which included an employer mandate and programs to assist the poor; the plan was ultimately unsuccessful, due to Democratic Congressional opposition including that of Ted Kennedy, who thought the plan was too beneficial to insurance companies. Seleucus (talk) 20:04, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good to me, subject to technical quirks possibly in the sources. Give me a day or two to dig out my sources.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:08, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Haven't had time yet due to RL, hope to do it this weekend.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:07, 16 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No worries; what's a difference of a few days to an article about a president a few decades ago? :) Seleucus (talk) 16:45, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Based on this, perhaps:

In 1971, Senator Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts proposed a plan for universal health insurance. In response, Nixon proposed plans for universal coverage of employees, and of poor people. As this still would have left some forty million people uncovered, Kennedy and the Democrats declined to support it, and the measure failed, though a Nixon proposal for increased use of health maintenance organizations passed Congress in 1973.

Or something similar based on that cite.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:56, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looks fine; I would just suggest that you make a mention of the rise in healthcare costs as part of the motivation, and perhaps some more detail in the plans Ex: (my changes highlighted)

In 1971, Senator Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts proposed a plan for universal federally run health insurance, partly motivated by dramatic rises in public and private health care expenditures. In response, Nixon proposed a health care plan which would provide insurance for low-income families, and require that all employees be provided with health care. As this still would have left some forty million people uncovered, Kennedy and the other Democrats declined to support it, and the measure failed, though a Nixon proposal for increased use of health maintenance organizations passed Congress in 1973.

Though that might be a bit long; I do think it's important to make it clearer what the differences between the two plans were (in short, Kennedy's plan was a government-run health care; Nixon was planning a free market employer-based approach.) But up to you in the end. Seleucus (talk) 21:05, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'll add it tonight, though I may play with the language slightly.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:12, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

*poke* :) Seleucus (talk) 15:40, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I've been lazy recently. It's done.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:59, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article currently implies that the Frost-Nixon interviews took place in 1975. They did in fact take place in 1977. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nixon_Interviews, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4588233.stm)

I'll look at the bios and clear up any confusion.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:29, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The source says the first meeting regarding the interviews took place on August 9, 1975. I have clarified that they did not actually take place until 1977.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:36, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, thanks very much --Amgreen (talk) 10:54, 4 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not a problem. The bios (Aitken especially) discuss them in terms of 1975 events, oddly. Perhaps he got his down payment then. I know they had all sorts of discussion on format, although the movie's a bit misleading.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:07, 4 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Nixon worked Against, not for desegregation of schools. He tried to stop busing of students which were used to ensure the desegregation of schools. These are widely known and documented facts. Please take care to correct this. (posted by an IP).

Denied. We take the word of published sources over the unsupported word of anonymous editors we don't know.--Wehwalt (talk) 03:41, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this article in the scope of WikiProject College football? Eagles 24/7 (C) 04:26, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Because Nixon played college football at Whittier College, and was a very big college football fan, even calling in a play while in office Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 07:47, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

But there is no mention of that anywhere in this article. Shouldn't there at least be a mention somewhere? Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:53, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I"m currently away. I can add when I get home that he played football. Well, was on the football team, more accurately.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:09, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to add an external link to the Richard Nixon article. I covered Billy Graham Day in Charlotte, NC, in 1971. Nixon spoke at the rally and the event became a footnote in the Watergate hearings.

This is my first pass at the talk pages, so be kind. Thanks Ksteinhoff (talk) 18:32, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• [http://www.capecentralhigh.com/journalism/billy-graham-turns-93/ Photos of President Richard Nixon and Billy Graham at Billy Graham Day in Charlotte, NC, Oct. 15, 1971.

Ksteinhoff (talk) 18:32, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your thought. I don't want to be harsh, but my reading of WP:EL is that we shouldn't use this as an EL because it is relatively minor in Nixon's career.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:24, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There was a past consensus/compromise on this a while back ago. Many of us wanted the full name "Richard Milhous Nixon", while some preferred simply "Richard Nixon". The "M" was suppose to be a compromise. I admit, I don't follow this page as much as you use to, but I am not sure why it was taken out. This should be reverted back to the compromise version. Most of that discussion can be seen at Talk:Richard Nixon/Archive 5#Richard Milhous Nixon--JOJ ^Hutton 22:37, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have no strong view on the subject. --Wehwalt (talk) 00:26, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm like that too sometimes. I look at people who are arguing venomously over some issue that looks really dumb in my view, but they feel very passionately about. Go figure. In the end, this really will not make or break the article, but I sure would like that previous consensus/compromise honored, if you get my drift.--JOJ ^Hutton 00:35, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]