That quote is [i]not[/i] from the book, it is a basic summary.

In modern day Cuba, where president Castro has outlawed the use of his own image for public display, the Gutierrez portrait is the center of the nation's revolutionary personality cult.

This was removed. Why? Is it wrong? Isn't it neutral? -- Error 05:25 7 Jul 2003 (UTC)

-- Fidel Castro's image is displayed ubiquitously in Cuba, and most of the images of him are put up by the propaganda branches of the government or the PCC [Cuban Communist Party]. During the early years of the Revolution, Fidel supposedly discouraged portraits of himself in governmental offices but this prohibition has long since been forgotten and now his portraits are in fact de rigeur in all such locations and virtually everywhere else.

Concerning the matter of the personality cult, it seemed to me that some clarification is needed to explain the existence of two distinct personality cults in Cuba, that devoted to Fidel and the one to Che's memory, or more correctly, Fidel's interpretation of Che's life and work. I don't know how much detail about this aspect needs to be included on this page?

Something like:

Che's memory, in the interpretation of the Cuban Communist Party, is the subject of a personality cult in Cuba. This is apparent in events like ... and places like...

The cult of Castro is not very relevant here.

-- Error

-- I think that approach would be a good one ... It is a troubling subject, since any kind of personality cult was anathema to Che. [Will you be adding this to that section?]

No, I don't know about the inner situation of Cuba so I couldn't fill the "..." -- Error

-- Ah, well ... I will think about trying to do it then, but am afraid I will have a perhaps insurmountable NPOV problem.

The very 1st word says "Dr.", what was Guevara one of? --Menchi 05:00 14 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Following his graduation from the University of Buenos Aires medical school in 1953,... - Hephaestos

This article needs to be careful about the meaning of "Che." In contrast to what it says at the beginning, "che" is a generic term for someone from Argentina, like "kiwi" for a New Zealander. Also the comment at the end about "Evita" is way off. The narrator character in Evita, who assumes many different roles at different parts of the play, is named Che. However the narrator is named "che" precisely because it is a generic name, and the character is an everyman...

I agree that the character in Evita has nothing to do with Ernesto Guevara, however the consensus seems to be that he is based on the "Che" persona, using a famous man to narrate and guide the audience through the story, much like Virgil in Dante's Inferno. My father is Argentine and I've spoken Castillian my whole life. "Che" means "Hey you!". Theanthrope 17:17, 23 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Can someone add captions to the pictures? On my browser, my screen size conspires with the font size and word wrapping to, unfortunately, write below the big photo, "Cuban Dictator Fulgencio Batista."

Whoever this anonymous person who write about the La Cabana Fortress is, I want to ask you to link not to a commercial site for us to buy a book but a neutral website describing Guevara's tenure at the Fortress. It is commonly known that Cuba executed counter-revolutionary prisoners directly after the revolution, but what is not common knowledge is that Guevara was at the head of the firing squads. Your estimates of 15,000-17,000 seem exagerated, and the demeanor in which you write, both anonymously and extremely subjectively, leads me to read your edits as vandilism. Please explain yourself, and provide a non-commercial link to an article about the La Cabana Fortress. Thank you. Punkche 22:30 1-1-2004.

Link to a book ehhhh..........

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1893554198/104-7881084-3009501?v=glance This is the same link that is on the page. Its a book by Cuban poet Armando Valladares, and it details what he saw and went through while in La Cabana. He was jailed for what the new Cuban government deemed as counter revolutionary poetry.

http://www.canoe.ca/Travel/Caribbean/Cuba/2003/11/02/244609.html This is a travel site where they go into detail on how a tourist can tour La Cabana and see Che's office as well as the bullet holes in the walls from the firing squads.

In the article his name is "Ernesto Rafael Guevara de la Serna" - how comes that i cannot find anything about the "Rafael" in his name. If I search for his whole name as wikipedia tells me, i can find only wikipedian articles. Has anybody a source where I can find the true name? 80.142.243.150 16:29, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)

http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:4kIZV2_6NSgJ:cheguevara.info/+ernesto+rafael+guevara&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

• thank you, Theanthrope, but even in this text the only rafael mentioned ist his father, to quote: "son of Ernesto Rafael Guevara Lynch" 217.255.176.234 20:46, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)

According to Cuban refugee and CIA agent Felix Rodriguez, (who himself lost many family members in the Cuban revolution) who was present at Guevara's capture, as soldiers approach Guevara, he shouted, "Do not shoot! I am Che Guevara and worth more to you alive than dead."

Seriously what is this stuff worth ?

I think it add more detail to the death of Guevara. If you dont like it too bad. It still falls well within Wikipedia's posting guidelines. TDC

Ericd 21:00, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

A lot of people, especially idealistic American youth from the 1960s, revered Che as a sort of working-class hero. (I think they were either self-deceived or short-sighted, and that Communist "freedom fighters" created worse problems than they solved, but hey I'm a brainwashed Moonie cultist so what do I know? ;-) --Uncle Ed 21:04, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Ed, seriously what is a CIA agent testimony worth ? And what brings the fact that he lost family member's except that it's emotionnal ? And even if it's true what does it means ? What is Christ himself supposed to have said on the cross ? Ericd 21:10, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Um, "Father, forgive them; they know what what they do"? --Uncle Ed 21:35, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

No, Guevara was no Messiah it would be better to emphasize on the sillyness of his theories.

I'm unable to quote the Bible in English but in French it's "Père éloigne ce calice de moi !", it's generally interpreted as showing that Jesus had the sense of self preservation and thus was human...

Ericd 21:45, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I am still disturbed by the edits of 66.170.162.***. Whoever this is keeps reverting changes back to a non-neutral POV, and because the person logs in anonymously, we cannot discuss it with 66.170.162.***. Who ever you are, please either register or keep your edits neutral. I am ready to report this entry as being vandalized. Punkche 16:20 6 Feb. 2004 (MST)

Felix Rodriquez was not present at Guevara's capture. No US agents or soldiers were. He never said that he was at the capture, though Guevara's quote of "I'm worth more alive to you than dead" is widely reported. We must call into question Rodriguez's honesty, for he claims he killed Guevara. It is commonly agreed that he was lying, trying to make himself look better in the eyes of opponents of the Cuban Revolution. I will make edits where appropriate. Punkche 17:20 7 Feb 2004 (MST)

As you can see from the photo, Rodriquez was present at the capture and execution of Guevara. And, he did say he was present. When Che was captured it was Rodriguez who interrogated him. After his execution he took Che's Rolex watch as a souvenir (he still wears it today). TDC

That picture is of Che and Rodriguez at the La Higuera schoolhouse. Rodriguez arrived there the day after Guevara was captured. According to Rodriguez, he heard of Guevara's capture while rigging government aircraft on October 8th, and relayed the message to the CIA and left for La Higuera. This is according to the Author of "Shadow Warrior," John Weisman's, interview with Rodriguez on June 16, 1995. Punkche

This article is turning into crap !

Ericd 21:49, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)

And why is this article turning into crap? Is it because some of us dont buy into your version of comrade Che as some kind of communist Jesus Christ superstar and have evidence to back it up? TDC

It is turning into crap because it's seems t~hat NPOV isn't in the project of some contributors.

Ericd 22:11, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Try all contributors. TDC

If we quit bickering and try to stop inserting POV entries into the article, this article will stay good. I think we have some issues because people for and against Che have a lot of passion about the issue, but that should not neutralize the NPOV objectives of the Wikipedia.

In my own research for the article, I've used both Che's own writings and, in regards to his death, the most neutral book I've found on Che, "The Fall of Che Guevara" by Henry Butterfield Ryan. A lot of the information posted recently has contradicted first hand accounts of Che's death and this book in particular. If we say "some people say _______ and some say ______" that will end up NPOV, as opposed to "Che was a coward and died like one," or "Che was the best revolutionary in history."

I strongly disagree with TDC about all contributers being POV. The issues that have been brought up by the nearly vandelous anonymous posts have been addressed. Che's tenure at the La Higuera Fortress and the executions there have been added, though without the extremely inflated 5,000-10,000 numbers that cannot be corraborated. Is this a worthy edit, or do you consider it POV, TDC?

punkche 19:45, 13 Feb, 2004 (MST)

Somewhere along the way, in the contentious editing of the material on Rodriguez's account of the execution, the following phrase was removed by TDC: "and that, as he was about to be shot, despite the wounds to his legs Che stood up to take the bullets." TDC, was this removed (apparently without comment) because you believe there is no evidence that Rodriguez said that (which may be true, but merits discussion here)? Or because you thought it unimportant (which seems an odd decision)? Or just were you just quietly removing material that isn't politically to your liking (which seems out of line if the material is decently sourced and germane)? -- Jmabel 21:59, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)